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Red templar heraldy

You're the one, who made Venatori heraldy, right? I'd like to ask you for making red templar heraldy. Based on their banner, I assume their heraldy is templar heraldy with yellow instead of white and red instead of blue.Andrzej.lewinski.351 (talk) 23:22, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Mostlyautumn deleted my access to item type's parameters

you told me to not make pages in the main wiki, so I moved pages I wrote to my own namespace. I had copy/pasted and edited a style in one of those pages for items to layout how I wanted it. but now User:Mostlyautumn has deleted the only line I had in the main wiki, that gives me access to the items' member values. how do I regain access? Meh92 (talk) 02:51, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re: checking user

Seems that wikia doesn't see a reason to do the check and has refused... regardless, I'm not seeing much value in that user's accusation, so hopefully it won't become a trend. --Kelcat Talk 00:35, March 10, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, Viktoria! Nice to see you doing a bit of editing. How have you been doing? --Kelcat Talk 02:17, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Kelcat! I am great, what about you? Yeah, I have a bit of time so I am going through again my main DAO walkthrough. While playing, I was amazed that there is still information which has not yet been uncovered. I also provided to HD3 some Dragon Age dev contacts, in case you also need my help somewhere please do share! Viktoria Landers 15:36, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
Oh by the way, there seems to be a small coding error on the value line of the RecipeTransformer of DAO recipes. Example. Viktoria Landers 10:42, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Doing good! Though I haven't had much time to do any editing other than keeping an eye out for vandalism and basic maintenance. And yeah, it always surprises me as to how much info has yet to be found, even in Origins. There are still a few developers from the first game that don't have their own article yet, and someday I'd like to get more voice actor articles up and running.
Dwarven articles are something that never seem to get as much attention as other subjects, so I'm always happy to see you and LadyAeducan around! I'll take a look at the recipe transformer and see what's up. Fixed it. Looks like Template:RecipeInfoBox got messed up when it was updated to the new "portable infobox" structure. --Kelcat Talk 04:25, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Low Quality Image

Hey Viktoria, i'll get back to you on skype about that image -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 22:19, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Michel de Chevin picture

Please replace Michel de Chevin picture - this one to better version of him from HoDA

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:30, April 27, 2017‎

No problem, done! Viktoria Landers 09:19, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed topic #1

Boo. Eons and no speak. How is it going? This place seems kind of empty and dead now, huh? Still keeping up some of the editing, I see. Hope you are well. EzzyD (talk) 02:22, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Ezzy Wave emote2 I am great, what about you? Yes, I am doing the odd edit here and there, but nothing substantial or consistent. I am usually around on skype though. Viktoria Landers 07:53, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed topic #2

If Shayle was her original name then why is it spelled differently in every other mention except that on? Yours Truly Valenthyne (talk) 14:13, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hey there! That is because she barely remembers her long past, she is a golem for more than a thousand years. Here is a video finding her original name when she was part of House Cadash. Viktoria Landers 15:14, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Andres Ponce illustrations for DA books

Here are all images I've found from Andres Ponce, illustrator for DA books.

Please add images to this wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:15, October 21, 2017‎

Hello there. I checked the "DA books", there is no Andres Ponce. Furthermore, I don't know the context behind those black and white drawings. And I don't speak Russian either. Viktoria Landers 11:01, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

Some of your edits to mine


I'd like to understand why you have eliminated several of my sub-section links to certain pages and changed them to the respective base page, e.g. on the Note: The Lost Outpost Plaque and the Flooded Caves.

Besides, I do like more – and have seen such formatting on many pages here – if a title and the name that follows are both linked instead of only either title or name, as in "King Kelgak" versus "King Kelgak". Purely for aesthetic reasons.

Greetings -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 13:10, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hey there!
About eliminating sub-section links: In many cases paragraph names change quite often so a working link to a sub-section may not work later even with the smallest of changes. That's why I personally avoid direct links to paragraphs unless the page is huge and difficult to navigate or if the page is on a completely different subject than the one you were looking for when clicking the link. In this case we know nothing of Kelgak, a direct link to the list of kings and queens would not provide any more info to readers who would probably click to learn more about this character. If they - however - want to learn more about dwarven royalty then, the non sub-section link is perfect for them.
About formatting: If a name is linked then readers presume it leads to their character page or at least to a page they'll find more info about that character. This does not happen in either case so to avoid confusion I linked only the "king" word for those interested to learn more about dwarven royalty.
In any case I am not feeling very strongly about either case, I just thought that would be the best solution. What do you think? Viktoria Landers 14:17, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying!
Yes, I know that such links get broken (point to the page in general) if the subsection's header is changed – but I typically ignore it, at least when I think it's a good title and less prone to a change than others might be … Icon wink
Of course everybody could use their browser's search feature after clicking that link and landing on a page with a different name and apparently only a loose connection to where they came from. But is in that case not the link to the e.g. lost thaigs a little more convenient if someone wouldn't like (or know of) that search feature, landing at a list that at least is a little more close to what they were looking for?
And I indeed don't agree with your note that "[…] we know nothing of Kelgak, a direct link to the list of kings and queens would not provide any more info to readers […]" – a direct link to the kings' section would provide exactly that more info: that he was king.
Besides, you placed some link, Gundaar, that in fact is only a redirect, namely to a subsection I had linked before without using that redirect. Icon wink (Okay, mine was one step deeper into the subsections.)
And as I now already used the king as example, I can repeat my point: you say, clicking on a link that visually implies, it would point to a page that's named "King Kelgak", will mislead the reader. But again, in fact the reader lands on a section of a page that has information about "King Kelgak" (though only the same as on the source page, for now). So what's wrong about that?
You wanted my thoughts? There they are. Smiley
The Dwarven royalty merely replicates the info found in the note. Nothing more about Kelgak can be found by clicking that link. That was my point. Viktoria Landers 15:44, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Another thing …
Some time ago I've started redoing all those notes, which before had all a rather poor layout. I've not enhanced it that much, but at least tried to unify it. (I've currently taken a break from it, but didn't forget it.) You can see my progress on my user profile, in a table after scrolling down a bit.
What I have done was adding an intro section to each note that not only says "is a note in DA:I", but also has the location and in some cases a brief description of its content or the author. Now you did split this intro for one of those notes and added a background section. That, by the way, still includes the note's location. Would you mind to undo that specific change? Or should this be rather done to all notes, then? -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 15:22, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
I didn't know about your work there. Actually all notes/objects/items in the wiki have a standard introductory layout. For example: "The Lost Outpost Plaque is a note in Dragon Age: Inquisition." or "Dwarven Longsword is a longsword in Dragon Age: Origins".
Then if there is some background info from that object, we have a "Background" paragraph explaining that. Example. Don't you think it's better to follow the established convention? If we are to establish a new introductory layout I think we should first get more opinions on this matter. Viktoria Landers 15:44, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
I didn't want to establish a new basic layout, only improve those poor articles. Location, some sort of background, intro – all are done in one short sentence for the most notes. Separating that into "Intro", "Background", "Acquisition" would blow up the articles too much, I think. There are notes which have one single sentence as actual content …
And as for that single sentenceDA:LEAD says, "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, and explaining why the subject is interesting or notable. It should be either one or two paragraphs long, and should be written in a clear and accessible style so that the reader is encouraged to read the rest of the article." That leaves much more leeway than that really, really short five-words sentence that's part of so many articles here and as well could be omitted. A single sentence is no section! My opinion. -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 16:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Well, the problem with your lead is that it fails conformity. Unless it's a lore page all articles start with a standard introduction -- which they define basically what this page is about (eg. longsword in DAO or a note in DAI). Pretty austere, I know, but the rest of the information is then spread into separate paragraphs (Acquisition, Background, etc) no matter their size.
DA:MOS cannot contain so much information regarding every bit of convention (well it can but no one would read it afterwards), it defines the most general ones. So again I don't think I should be the only person to discuss this, I think we should seek more opinions on this matter. Basically show them each version and ask them which one they prefer? An idea. Viktoria Landers 16:32, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Okay! I'll get back to this when I take up work again on those notes. Review those I've done, check what could/should get its own sections, see if there's more to add. And then probably make sections – or regard your proposal. Smiley Agree? -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 16:41, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
No problem :) Just give me some time first. I have also taken a few screenshots of notes during my own walkthrough so this is a subject which I would have started at some point even without our discussion. Viktoria Landers 00:04, October 28, 2017 (UTC)
Fine! Would be nice if you could add them to Category:Dragon Age: Inquisition note images, so I get notified about them and can add them to my table. Or, if you think that's better or necessary, copy that table to this category's talk page and/or make a project out of it, so everybody has access. -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 12:45, October 28, 2017 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags

Hi, Victoria. I created a forum topic on spoiler tags, curious to learn your opinion. Asherinka (talk) 12:40, November 4, 2017 (UTC)

Darkness = Taint

Hi, Victoria. Well, look at these lines and decide if that's enough evidence for you.

"There is a taint that is within the darkspawn. A darkness that pervades us, compels us, drives us to rail against the light. It is in our blood and corrupts the very world around us. <..> It is also within your blood. It is what makes you what you are, what you sense in us and we in you. <..> You take that darkness into you. <..> You use it to fight against us. Your immunity to its effects is not complete, however. When the corruption takes its inevitable toll, you come into the Deep Roads. Alone. To fight against us one last time." - the Architect to Bregan, Dragon Age: The Calling, Chapter 2
He could faintly make out the sounds they made, the unnatural rattling and the dry hiss that had haunted his dreams ever since the Joining, when he had taken their dark essence inside himself. - Bregan's thoughts, the same chapter
The darkspawn were connected to each other by the same dark force that the Grey Wardens used to sense them.. - Bregan again
.. and he could feel the dark corruption oozing into his blood. - and again
Having only become a Grey Warden recently, the idea that she might one day live long enough for the dark taint to force her into such a choice seemed impossible. - About Fiona, Chapter 3
“We are things of darkness, human. <> To us, the call is the only light we shall ever know.” - the Architect about the call of the Archdemon, Chapter 6, etc
If you have Kindle Edition of the Calling, just type "dark" to see how Gaider used the word there)

It resembled a dragon in outward form, but no dragon was ever so terrible within. Darkness crackled around it, and darkness was its soul. - Isseya sees the Archdemon, Dragon Age: The Last Flight, Chapter 5
There was no sense of the Fade in its spell; nothing in the realm of dream or nightmare could have encompassed what the Archdemon made. It was a cyclone of darkness both spiritual and physical. - About Archdemon's breath, the same chapter

They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world. We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being. - Corypheus about Magisters Sidereal and what they found in the Black City, Dragon Age: Inquisition (must side with templars)

Though the darkness calls me down, you know we all are dying. <..> Before darkness claims our souls, let us see that shred of blue. - song about the Calling, Dragon Age: Inquisition

I'm pretty sure there were more lines like that, I don't remember them all. Given how many times darkness and taint were used as synonyms so far, I think it is safe to assume that it is the intended meaning.
I wouldn't mind if you remove the reference if you believe these to be mere coincidence, though. Asherinka (talk) 18:47, November 13, 2017 (UTC)

Yes I am aware that the Wardens use this word in this context. If you check the Chant of Light verses including the words of the elf Shartan or the context in which the Templar Order uses that word (against maleficarum, etc) the term has no exclusive use for darkspawn.
In fact the legend about Andruil most likely was made long before Arlathan fell, thus the Second Sin was not committed. So no darkspawn. In any case, isn't that too much speculation to use it as a fact? Viktoria Landers 19:01, November 13, 2017 (UTC)
We know for fact that the taint existed before the Second Sin was committed, because red lyrium is tainted and is found in the Primeval Thaig that existed before the First Blight. As Corypheus put it, the magisters merely discovered the taint. But as I've said, I wouldn't argue about it now, if you remove it, so be it. I'll just add it a few installments later when it is confirmed in-game :) Asherinka (talk) 19:10, November 13, 2017 (UTC)
Haha! Perhaps we should add a Dragon Age 5 spoiler on the page? Viktoria Landers 19:26, November 13, 2017 (UTC)
We'd have to invent a good one-liner for it. I'm not up for the challenge :( Asherinka (talk) 19:28, November 13, 2017 (UTC)
Oh that's the easy part with the DA5 spoiler. The hard part is to convince Kelcat & Co that Asher has seen the future! Viktoria Landers 19:42, November 13, 2017 (UTC)

Discussions Activity Feed

Hey there. I saw you mention that you don’t often see Discussions activity since it doesn’t show up in Recent Changes. You might desire to voice that inconvenience to FANDOM, since many people agree that the ability to view Discussions activity in Recent Changes would be helpful. But that aside, the main reason for this message was to draw your attention to this Forum post, suggesting many useful scripts to make monitoring / engaging with Discussions easier. You may want to take a look, &/or install some of those scripts for yourself if you’d like to be able to more easily monitor Discussions from the Wiki itself. I use them myself & find them to be very effective when patrolling.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate5:01 PM Tuesday, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Okay that was lots of reading to do but I think it was worth it. Replied to the thread too. Many thanks! Viktoria Landers 20:23, November 21, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing that vandal's edits. I've blocked the IP -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 17:33, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Glad to be of use! Viktoria Landers 20:23, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Wow! How did you get this symbol? I didn't know it even exists! Is there an upper case version, too?

Please, give me the code, Vik(t). Smiley

Btw., your sig doesn't include a link to your talk page. -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 08:47, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

I know, I never really customized my sig, I am still using the very first one I made. As for the reversed c, I could only find a small case version. Sorry! Viktoria Landers 18:01, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

Andres Ponce

Hello! I've just got a message from Andres Ponce. Please remove his name and surname "Andres" or "ponce" from name of his art even from file name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiselleM (talkcontribs) 15:31, December 1, 2017‎

Hello there and welcome to the wiki! I am not aware of any Art made by Andres Ponce which is uploaded in the wiki. Also, please don't forget to sign your messages. Viktoria Landers 15:42, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

About your note to me on the Wicked Eyes talk

I don't think it's necessary to tell me how to handle other people's talk page comments. I am well aware of the guidelines.

I've placed the emoji template in goodwill, as hint for somebody who surely didn't know of its existence. I explicitely mentioned this exception from the rule in my summary, and of course it wasn't meant offensive (even though interpreted that way).

As for the indentation: take a look at the exceptions section of the according guideline, especially the "Fixing format errors" paragraph. Thanks.

I place this here instead of that talk over there, because the topic already has been discussed between Supremeladysama and me. -- UserCCCSig -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 19:01, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

Bioware artists

Please can you upload there illustarations for DA novels from Bioware artists? They did art for Dragon age novels: Masked Empire and The Calling.

Stefano Martino

Andres Ponce

Ricardo German Ponce Alvarez

Álvaro Sarraseca —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiselleM (talkcontribs) 08:04, December 30, 2017‎‎

Okay so let me get this right. You ask me on Dec 1 to remove all "Andres Ponce" images from the wiki as if there were any and now you ask me to add a hell lot of new copyrighted works. Do you even have permission from the artists? Viktoria Landers 09:39, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts.

Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts undo. Where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109267 (talkcontribs) 12:41, January 1, 2018

Hello, please sign your messages by typing four tildes (~~~~). As for your question, it is said right below of your edit what you mentioned; how you can recuperate the lost approval by talking to the noblewoman and returning her ring. Also the negative approval hit happens instantly after the dialogue with Gaspard so you cannot do something else before that. Viktoria Landers 16:58, January 1, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you can recuperate the lost approval by talking to the noblewoman, but if you talk to her fast enough you do not lose any approval at all. After you talked to Gaspard, the surrounding Noblemen will start talking (Example with an Elf Inquisitor:
Nobleman 1: "Is that the Inquisitor?"
Nobleman 2: "An Elf Savage, Maker Forbid."
Nobleman 1: "This is Gaspard's idea of a joke."
Only when this conversation is done, will you get the -10 court approval and a pop-up message"
Court Approval
Orlesian Nobility looks down upon Elves. The Court watches you with a critical eye.
If however, you talk to the noblewoman before the court approval hits, you do not hear the conversation and you will not get the negative court approval.
This way you can start with a court approval of 40 regardless of your race and/or class (45, if you choose the 'interesting strategem' option, or if you are a human rogue/warrior. 50 with both).
P.S. I assume that by using the leave message option I would start a new message on your wall, so I answered by editing the message. Is stat the right way?
--109267 (talk) 09:15, January 2, 2018 (UTC)
I am well-aware. I am playing on PC and the approval hit is almost instant, as soon as Gaspard leaves you alone.
Question 1: Are you playing on PC too?
Question 2: Is your game fully patched? Viktoria Landers 09:18, January 2, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I am playing on PC on a fully patched game currently on a playthrough as an Elf Inquisitor. When I did Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts, I did what I just describes and after talking with the Noblewoman and choosing 'interesting strategem' I had 45 approval and did not receive any further negative approval based on my race. --109267 (talk) 09:21, January 2, 2018 (UTC)
What do you think about my edit? Viktoria Landers 09:44, January 2, 2018 (UTC)
Looks good, thank you. --109267 (talk) 10:30, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed topic #3

hey is it correct that you cant leave the descent in DAI once entered. or have i just encountered a weird bug? I finished the story, but at the point where one entered the area (via the elevator), there is no elevator and i cant seem to get to the surface anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E6:5BDC:8E84:65F4:95B8:37D9:FB8A (talk) 18:16, January 3, 2018‎

Hello, please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). You can leave the Deep Roads by simply opening the world map and moving to a different location entirely (eg. Skyhold) if the elevators are not working. Viktoria Landers 18:57, January 3, 2018 (UTC)
nilschillout P.S. sorry for asking :D havent used it yet, after 72 hours of playing :D thanks alot 2003:E6:5BDC:8E84:65F4:95B8:37D9:FB8A (talk) 19:16, January 3, 2018 (UTC)
No problem Smiley Viktoria Landers 19:21, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Fenris and Danarius

I just figured I'd let you know as I know you were in favour of the information staying, I'm not sure if you're an administrator or content moderator but I do believe Fenris and Danarius' pages would be good to prevent from being edited as the user still insists that it be removed because it's apparently headcanon. He also seems to believe the other I.P user is you for whatever reason, but I digress. (talk) 13:23, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I can't do anything for this situation. I only have rollback rights and the wiki admins are scarcely active to be of much use. Viktoria Landers 13:30, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

To the previous poster: ROFL, why don't you suggest that all the wiki to be locked from editing by everyone but yourself, so that they will fit your lies and perverted headcanons forever.

The "source" was from tumblr of two cosplayers' vague and second hand interpretation ("headcanon") which did not even involve any direct citation from david gaider, and being even more intentionally over-interpreted in the removed sentence. Dgaider never said anything even slightly related to that, even when explicitly asked on the internet. But, sure, it's just easier for someone to lie and try to shut people up when their headcanons and perverted imaginations are being removed.

Also, changing your anonymous physical address to an anonymous IP address might not serve you as well as you expected to pretend to be a new "observer", LMAO. You think this would de-emphasize all the abusive and trash talks from your previous posts?(Which obviously did nothing more than revealing that you are exactly the names you called). And that explains perfectly that only such a person full of trash talk and abusive character would want anyone on the wiki to be silenced as long as they don't fit their headcanons. The posts from you says enough themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernandokillperverted (talkcontribs) 16:00, January 5, 2018‎

To be fair Fernando your first edits were also made by an IP. In any case I think we should resolve this matter as grown people. I think Fernando has made a couple of valid points (in favor of removing that paragraph) but my talk page isn't the right location for this discussion. I had created a topic here, please click on the link and post your opinions so that we, as a community, decide on what to do about it.
And please don't undo each other again on the two pages. We have a very inactive admin team so we cannot stop you two from your edit war... Viktoria Landers 17:56, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

Direct contact

Hello, Victoria. If you need to reach me directly, I'm asherinka (unsurprisingly) on Skype, and is one of my e-mails. Asherinka (talk) 19:53, January 6, 2018 (UTC)


Hey, I saw Loleil responded to your bot request thing on her talk page. Did you still want me to fix it with wikia or is the problem resolved? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 14:17, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

No, it's all good. Though the wiki having an alternate option in case Loleil goes missing would be greatly appreciated. I have started becoming very reluctant in moving pages (wherever it is appropriate of course) because of the need to contact her afterwards Sad2 Viktoria Landers 14:31, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
Leave a re-direct page behind under the old name perhaps?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 14:40, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

I should be around a little bit more regularly now, but I know in the past before I had my bot I've put in a request to community support and they've been able to help. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:07, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, there.

Hello, Vik. It has been a while. I hope you are doing well. Still chugging away at the editing here. Seems like ages, though, since there was any life in this place. A lot of the social aspect has pretty much died out over the past few years, except maybe the discussion pages. Anyway, take care and have a pleasant 2018. EzzyD (talk) 07:36, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Ezzy! I'm doing great thanks for coming by. I think what happened to "this place" is kind of expected. Most of the articles needed to be written already exist in the wiki, for the most part my edits are minor fixes and stuff behind the scenes. I'm certain we'll have a re-surge when DA4 is announced in the E3. If you want you can contact me over skype / e-mail for a more direct chat. Viktoria Landers 08:22, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

Forum followup

Forum:Phasing out the Wiki Forums has been inactive yet unanimously in favor for a while, is anything to come of it? Since there’s no opposition do we signal a ’crat to get the ball rolling or does it just die if it doesn’t have enough activity?
UrsuulTalkAdminDate3:46 AM Sunday, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah you could contact Loleil (the only active bureaucrat) and let her know of the proposal though I'm a bit doubtful if it materializes. Viktoria Landers 12:52, January 28, 2018 (UTC)
UrsuulTalkAdminDate5:03 PM Sunday, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

vs Darkspawn on shields

Un-sourced :). I believe I have a "quite good" understanding of the DAO damage mechanics..


Player input(commands) and general game flow is translated by the (eclipse?) game engine into events to be processed by various "out of engine" scripts:

Comment for rules.core script. Very important event dispatcher script.

// It is the main entry point into combat AI, ability use and any event that // is global to all creatures. // // // Event Chain: // / player_core (followers) \ // Custom creature script > rules_core -> // \ creature_core / // // // Note: certain events bypass the chain and process directly in here: // // EFFECT_APPLIED // EFECT_UNAPPLIED // IMPACT

[Engine] and scripts generate events->

Example of events handled by [player_core] and [creature_core]:

 EVENT_TYPE_SPAWN -> sys_autoscale AS_InitCreature
 EVENT_TYPE_HEARTBEAT2 -> Combat ManaStamina Regen / TrapDetection check
 EVENT_TYPE_DOT_TICK ->  Effects_HandleCreatureDotTickEvent (take damage from active DOT effects)
 ---> unhandled Events go to ->

Example of events handled by [rules_core]

 EVENT_TYPE_APPLY_EFFECT   Effects_HandleApplyEffect();
 EVENT_TYPE_REMOVE_EFFECT  Effects_HandleRemoveEffect();
      Push events of type 'COMMAND_TYPE_USE_ABILITY' for [ability_core] handling 
      'COMMAND_TYPE_ATTACK' Combat_HandleCommandAttack   //  weapon swing (could be sub-part of an ability)
                  Combat_GetAttackResult (crit and hit rolls, backstab check)
                  Combat_Damage_GetAttackDamage (ATTACK DAMAGE CALCULATION)
                  stRet.fAttackDuration // duration between auto attacks     
     SendEventOnAttacked(oTarget, oAttacker);
               GetModifiedDamage // apply attacker's elemental damage bonuses
               deal with mana shield/ damage vulnerability / damage shield
               ResistDamage  // apply target's elemetal damage resistance 
          ItemProp_DoEffect // will apply various on hit effects (only called after auto-attacks never for attacks component of abilities) 
              Effects_HandleApplyEffectDamage (elemental damage)
                       GetModifiedDamage // apply attacker's elemental damage bonuses
                       deal with mana shield/ damage vulnerability / damage shield
                       ResistDamage  // apply target's elemetal damage resistance 
                   vs Dragon/Darkspawn/Undead 
                       deal with mana shield/ damage vulnerability / damage shield
 EVENT_TYPE_DAMAGED Update threat, check for stealth/spell/ranged interruption. 
                    Ability_HandleOnDamageAbilities : apply DW bleed, apply Supressing Fire debuff


 ---> ability use Events go to ->
 90210:  Ability_DoRunSpellScript ->  HandleEvent(ev, rResource);
 EVENT_TYPE_COMMAND_PENDING Ability_DoRunSpellScript ->  HandleEvent(ev, rResource);
 EVENT_TYPE_ABILITY_CAST_START  Ability_DoRunSpellScript ->  HandleEvent(ev, rResource);
 EVENT_TYPE_ABILITY_CAST_IMPACT  Ability_DoRunSpellScript ->  HandleEvent(ev, rResource);

rResource is the name of .ncs file handling the event. Many abilities can do (multi) weapon swings  :

Combat_GetAttackResult // hit and crit rolls with various bonuses; can even skip it for AUTOHIT attacks
Combat_Damage_GetAttackDamage (ATTACK DAMAGE CALCULATION)
               GetModifiedDamage // apply attacker's elemental damage bonuses
               deal with mana shield/ damage vulnerability / damage shield
               ResistDamage  // apply target's elemetal damage resistance 

combat log examples:

Shale melee-elemental

Script [gen00fl_shale::rules_core.EVENT_TYPE_COMMAND_PENDING] Controlled follower attacking - clearing party to attack Script combat_h.HandleCommandAttack starting . Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script [core_h.GetCreatureCriticalHitModifier] Prop (21) on gen00fl_shale is 15.500000 modifier is: 12.500000 Script [core_h.GetCreatureDefense] Defense on orz510cr_lt_revenant is 79.000000 modifier is: 9.000000 Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Attacker's Crit Chance: 16.600000 = ( Attacker's melee or ranged crit stat 15.500000 + on weapon CTC 1.100000 + CTC from Bravery 0 ) * flanking CTC mul 1. Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Attacker's Attack: 142.000000 = (54 + Attacker's Attack stat: 88.000000 + onWeaponAttack: 0.000000 + fBonus(script): 0.000000 + fFlanking: 0.000000 (- range penalty:0.000000)). Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Target's Defense: 79.000000 = target's Defense stat 79.000000 + target's bonus vs missiles [ONLY vs ranged]4.500000 + low difficulty bonus0.000000. Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script combat_h.GetAttackResult ToCrit ToHit DICE ROLLS: ToCritRoll *ROLL* : 64.815208 vs chance to crit = : 16.600000 ToHitRoll *ROLL* : 7.437361 vs chance to hit = (Attack - Defense) = : 63.000000. Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Defender's Stats: LVL: 12.000000 Damage Scale Vul: 1.000000 MenR: 85.500000 PhysR: 49.000000 FireR: -10.000000 ColdR: 90.000000 ElecR: 15.000000 NatuR: 15.000000 SpirR: 65.000000 MagicR: 12.500000. Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage Interval gen_im_cweapon_golem_shale: material scaled base: 6.600000 to (material scaled base) * DamageRange: 8.250000 abilityForceMaxDamage:0 Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage *ROLL* gen_im_cweapon_golem_shale: = 6.600000 + Rand(1.650000) = 7.045898 Script [combat_damage] scaledWeaponRoll = Weapon rolled damage Or Human Unarmed(NO RNG !) = 7.045898 Script [combat_damage] Attribute(s) Bonus = fDmg : 21.000000 Script [combat_damage] MH noDW *ROLL* SRand(fDmg * 50%, fDmg * 75%) : 12.390141 Script [combat_damage] Attribute Modifier : 1.000000 Script [combat_damage] scaledAttributeRoll = Rolled Attribute Bonus * Attribute Modifier: 12.390141 Script [combat_damage] difficulty bonus: 0.000000 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE before crit/backstab = scaledWeaponRoll + scaledAttributeRoll + DiffBonus 19.436039 Script [combat_damage] ARMOR 0.7 + 0.3 *ROLL* = 15.224999 + Rand(6.525000) = 16.890749 Script [combat_damage] Attacker's Armor Piercing: 6.450000 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE past armor DR fDamage - MaxF(0.0f,fAr - fAp) = 8.995290 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE += add char stat damage bonus: 18.400002 = 27.395290 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE += add conditional damage bonus (shattering blows and blood frenzy) 0.000000 = 27.395290 Script [combat_damage] fRankScale: 1.000000 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE *= fDamageScale ; Scale Damage > 16 on nightmare : 1.000000 = 27.395290 Script combat_h.Combat_PerformAttack Attack Result: 1 = COMMAND_RESULT_HIT. Attacker: gen00fl_shale. Target: orz510cr_lt_revenant

Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 27.395290375 flags: 0x00000000 abi: 0, current health: 1027 Script [effect_damage_h.IsDamageAllowed] Result:1 Script [effect_damage_h] Apply Elemental Damage Bonus 27.395290 * 1.100000 = 30.134821 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistDamage] orz510cr_lt_revenant resisting 30.134821 dmg by gen00fl_shale type 2 Resistance score:-0.100000: 33.148304 Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 33.148303986 flags: 0x00000000 setting health to: 994.351684570 Script >> STATS V0.017 << gen00fl_shale | total damage dealt = 9407.837891 Script [effect_damage_h.ApplyInstantEffectDamage] Damage: 33.148303986

/////////////////////////////////// elemental staff

Script [gen00fl_wynne::rules_core.EVENT_TYPE_COMMAND_PENDING] Controlled follower attacking - clearing party to attack Script combat_h.HandleCommandAttack starting . Attacker: gen00fl_wynne. Target: ran280cr_dwarf_angry Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage Interval gen_im_wep_mag_sta_mor: material scaled base: 4.800000 to (material scaled base) * DamageRange: 4.800000 abilityForceMaxDamage:0 Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage *ROLL* gen_im_wep_mag_sta_mor: = 4.800000 + Rand(0.000000) = 4.800000 Script [combat_damage] scaledWeaponRoll = Weapon rolled damage 4.800000 Script [combat_damage] StaffDamageBonus 1.150000 Script [combat_damage] ArcaneFocus 1.000000 Script [combat_damage] SpellPower * 0.25 11.250000 Script [combat_damage] SpellPowerComponent = SpellPower * 0.25 * StaffDamageBonus * ArcaneFocus = 12.937500 Script [combat_damage] SpellPowerComponent * 0.75 + Rand(SpellPowerComponent * 0.25) *ROLL* = 12.036589 Script [combat_damage] staff DAMAGE Weapon Roll + SpellPowerComponent Roll = 16.836590 Script [core_h.GetCreatureRangedDrawSpeed] DrawSpeed on gen00fl_wynne is 0.100000 modifier is: 0.000000 Weapon (gen_im_wep_mag_sta_mor):0.100000 Script combat_h.Combat_PerformAttack Attack Result: 1 = COMMAND_RESULT_HIT. Attacker: gen00fl_wynne. Target: ran280cr_dwarf_angry Script [combat_h.HandleCommandAttack] RangedAim Loop Duration set to 0.100000001

Script [combat_h.HandleAttackImpact] Attacker appearance type = 15 Script [combat_h.HandleAttackImpact] COMBAT_RESULT_HIT Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 16.836589813 flags: 0x00000000 abi: 0, current health: 141 Script [effect_damage_h.IsDamageAllowed] Result:1 Script [effect_damage_h] Apply Elemental Damage Bonus 16.836590 * 1.150000 = 19.362078 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistDamage] ran280cr_dwarf_angry resisting 19.362078 dmg by gen00fl_wynne type 3 Resistance score:0.050000: 18.393974 Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 18.393974304 flags: 0x00000000 setting health to: 123.519401550 Script >> STATS V0.017 << gen00fl_wynne | total damage dealt = 6842.511230 Script [effect_damage_h.ApplyInstantEffectDamage] Damage: 18.393974304

///////////////////////////////////// flanking bonus

Script [player::rules_core.EVENT_TYPE_COMMAND_PENDING] Controlled follower attacking - clearing party to attack Script combat_h.HandleCommandAttack starting . Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script [core_h.GetCreatureCriticalHitModifier] Prop (21) on player is 2.000000 modifier is: 2.000000 Script [core_h.GetCreatureDefense] Defense on lite_kor_gazarath is 64.000000 modifier is: 0.000000 Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Attacker's Crit Chance: 19.107645 = ( Attacker's melee or ranged crit stat 2.000000 + on weapon CTC 3.000000 + CTC from Bravery 0 ) * flanking CTC mul 3.821529. Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Attacker's Attack: 139.107651 = (54 + Attacker's Attack stat: 71.000000 + onWeaponAttack: 0.000000 + fBonus(script): 0.000000 + fFlanking: 14.107646 (- range penalty:0.000000)). Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Target's Defense: 64.000000 = target's Defense stat 64.000000 + target's bonus vs missiles [ONLY vs ranged]0.000000 + low difficulty bonus0.000000. Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script combat_h.GetAttackResult ToCrit ToHit DICE ROLLS: ToCritRoll *ROLL* : 97.207558 vs chance to crit = : 19.107645 ToHitRoll *ROLL* : 42.112492 vs chance to hit = (Attack - Defense) = : 75.107651. Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script combat_h.GetAttackResult Defender's Stats: LVL: 4.000000 Damage Scale Vul: 1.000000 MenR: 8.000000 PhysR: 19.000000 FireR: 65.000000 ColdR: 15.000000 ElecR: 15.000000 NatuR: 15.000000 SpirR: 20.000000 MagicR: 12.500000. Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage Interval gen_im_wep_mel_dag_dag: material scaled base: 4.000000 to (material scaled base) * DamageRange: 6.000000 abilityForceMaxDamage:0 Script [combat_damage] Weapon Damage *ROLL* gen_im_wep_mel_dag_dag: = 4.000000 + Rand(2.000000) = 4.718772 Script [combat_damage] scaledWeaponRoll = Weapon rolled damage Or Human Unarmed(NO RNG !) = 4.718772 Script [combat_damage] Attribute(s) Bonus = fDmg : 10.000000 Script [combat_damage] MH DW *ROLL* Rand(fDmg * 25%, fDmg * 50%) : 3.623768 Script [combat_damage] Attribute Modifier : 0.850000 Script [combat_damage] scaledAttributeRoll = Rolled Attribute Bonus * Attribute Modifier: 3.080203 Script [combat_damage] difficulty bonus: 0.000000 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE before crit/backstab = scaledWeaponRoll + scaledAttributeRoll + DiffBonus 7.798975 Script [combat_damage] Backstab! DAMAGE *= CriticalDamageModifier 1.500000 = 11.698462 Script [combat_damage] ARMOR 0.7 + 0.3 *ROLL* = 7.070000 + Rand(3.030000) = 9.132845 Script [combat_damage] Attacker's Armor Piercing: 4.714286 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE past armor DR fDamage - MaxF(0.0f,fAr - fAp) = 7.279903 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE += add char stat damage bonus: 0.800000 = 8.079904 Script [combat_damage] DAMAGE += add conditional damage bonus (shattering blows and blood frenzy) 0.000000 = 8.079904 Script [combat_damage] fRankScale: 1.000000 Script [combat_performattack] weapon base speed :1.500000 mod:-0.500000 effects: 0.700000 Script combat_h.Combat_PerformAttack Attack Result: 9 = COMMAND_RESULT_BACKSTAB. Attacker: player. Target: lite_kor_gazarath Script [combat_h.HandleCommandAttack] Melee Attack Duration set to 0.699999988

////////////////////////////////////// resitance roll

Script [combat_h.HandleAttackImpact] Attacker appearance type = 15 Script [combat_h.HandleAttackImpact] COMBAT_RESULT_HIT Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 20.807353973 flags: 0x00000004 abi: 3025, current health: 101 Script [effect_damage_h.IsHostileEffectAllowed] Ability: true Script [effect_damage_h.IsDamageAllowed] Result:1 Script [effect_damage_h.Effects_ApplyInstantEffectDamage] damage: 20.807353973 flags: 0x00000004 setting health to: 80.318145752 Script >> STATS V0.017 << pre100cr_jory | total damage dealt = 845.231873 Script [effect_damage_h.ApplyInstantEffectDamage] Damage: 20.807353973 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] Base resistance (33) = 9.000000 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] -= Modified by attacking attribute (1)10.000000 = -1.000000 Script GetLevel: 3.000000 Script GetLevel: 2.000000 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] -= Modified by level difference * 5 (5.000000) = -6.000000 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] += Modified by rank (2, 0.000000) = -6.000000 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] Final resistance (50.000000) = -6.000000 Script [sys_resistances_h.ResistanceCheck] Resistance roll 67.571030 vs -6.000000 Script [effects_h.HandleApplyEffect] EFFECT_TYPE_DECREASE_PROPERTY (1058) , duration: 2, ability: 3025, creator: pre100cr_jory —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:39, January 31, 2018‎

Alright, alright. There you go. Viktoria Landers 14:53, January 31, 2018 (UTC)


Why did you undo my provings edits? Minrathous has provings too. TheRealMictlantecuhtli (talk) 15:16, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

I didn't undo it, I made changes and used accurate description. Tevinter's "Provings" are gladiatorial battles (See: Genitivi's source), which is not the same as the dwarven Provings. Then I moved your edit to the Notes section since the article is primarily about the dwarven Provings. In DA4 where we'll probably visit Tevinter and Minrathous I'm sure we'll have more information about these gladiatorial battles and create a separate page, etc. Viktoria Landers 15:27, February 12, 2018 (UTC)
Don't see anything about it in the Tevinter Society codex entry. TheRealMictlantecuhtli (talk) 18:55, February 12, 2018 (UTC)
Because it talks about Tevinter's social classes. Here's the only source. Viktoria Landers 20:02, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

Just checking in

G'day Viktoria! Ever since my Skype got corrupted and I haven't been able to fix my account it has been harder to talk. So I thought I would check in! How are you doing? Have you been able to play DA:I at long last? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 09:48, March 23, 2018 (UTC)

Hey! I am doing great. What about you? Yeah I completed DAI twice, the game is goddamn huge for a completionist such as myself, I don't think I'll ever attempt a 3rd walkthrough! You can add me on Discord if you want. Viktoria Landers 09:50, March 23, 2018 (UTC)

Capital Hurlocks

Hi, Viktoria. I saw your recent edits to The Descent (quest) where you changed some of the instances of the types of Hurlock to lower case ("Hurlock Alpha" to "hurlock alpha" for example). What I noticed is on that page there are about 53 uses of the word 'Hurlock' and about half are upper case and about half lower case. So while I myself would prefer upper case Hurlock and lower case alpha for the same reasons as one would write "Elven apostate" or "Qunari soldier", we should at least be consistent: pick a style and stay with it. Cheers, DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:48, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

Likewise we should pick whether we use two backspaces after a fullstop or two. I see you prefer the less popular method so we have a pick a style and stay with it. As for the other matter you bring to my attention, it is a little more complicated than that; some creature names are simple "hurlock" and not a combination, eg. "Hurlock alpha". For the name combinations I would agree that the first word should be capitalized, however if it's a simple name I think we should keep it lower case as we would say "dwarf" and not "Dwarf". Viktoria Landers 16:31, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it's true: I learned how to type on a manual typewriter, back when two spaces after a period was important. Old muscle habits are hard to break. I'm perfectly willing to accept the one space on article pages, but I don't hold with correcting other people's comments on talk pages ;) where style guides aren't as strictly enforced (nor should be). As for your proposal, I think I can live with that except when the simple name derives from a proper noun. That is, I would always write "Qunari" and never "qunari". DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:56, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
I don't think I corrected your comments ;) Though I do have lots of mainspace edits, on removing double spaces after a period. Anyway I guess you'd like to make the proper corrections on said quest page? I've noticed you like correcting my edits, after all. Viktoria Landers 18:35, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
Done! I did capitalize simple names though because to me "hurlock and Hurlock archer" looks weird. I don't know that I would use the word 'like' in that context. I review all change notices I get and if I think there some better wordsmithing, I contribute that regardless of who did the previous edit. DaBarkspawn (talk) 18:43, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
Oh and do you want rollback rights? Makes life easier for patrollers. Viktoria Landers 18:35, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
That would be excellent, thanks! DaBarkspawn (talk) 18:43, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

Character Infobox images

Hey there! Some users in Discussions were wondering if multiple images for characters could be used; one for each game they appear in, like for Cullen & Alistair who appear in multiple games. It’s possible to use a <gallery> tag in Portable Infoboxes to produce tabs for each image, like this, so I was wondering if you might join the conversation & consider implementing something like that if the community wants it. Thanks!
UrsuulTalkAdminDate9:22 PM Friday, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

I will reply directly there. Thanks for letting me know. Viktoria Landers 14:56, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Dwarven History Request


I have been doing some research on the Dwarven race and I came across your page here it says your a expert on the dwarvern race so i thought I would see if your willing to help me out in my research. I would preferr to discuss this by email if your interested please reply to Im not very savy on this format and could not find your email. i look forward to speaking with you in the future. Epaperodititus (talk) 16:05, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hello, the e-mail address you provided here does not exist. Viktoria Landers 17:35, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Im so sorry I have corrected it --Epaperodititus (talk) 18:13, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Wikia Domain Change

Hey, I don't know if you heard, but Wikia is changing everyone's domain to, e.g., See for commentary. DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:43, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

The domain change demeans us all, especially those who long strived for encyclopaedic standards, such as the DA or TES wikia. Unfortunately I am not surprised at all, the "fandom" approach has long been the focus of this company such as the mandatory video ads at the top of our most visited pages or the "See also" feature linking to unrelated blogs of junk quality.
This is just another unilateral decision to increase their profits while devaluing the thankless and free work of countless editors. Unless we organize ourselves across wikis with a mass migration to a new platform, I highly doubt we can do anything to stop this or future plans. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Viktoria Landers 10:39, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
I completely agree, Victoria. I wrote a couple of comments here and suggested we all just leave for Fextralife or something. A couple of pages down, I made the same encyclopaedic argument in a reply comment. DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:44, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
I found a petition. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:54, August 23, 2018 (UTC)
As Henio0 pointed out an online petition is totally useless. The only way to do this is via migration like Fallout wikia voted on not too long ago. Their main concern was about "splitting the userbase" which is a non-issue here considering it's just a handful of active editors in DA wikia Fandom Viktoria Landers 16:33, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
I vested the approximately five seconds it took to autofill the petition form not so much because I was sanguine that it would help, but that it probably couldn't hurt. I am up for migrating. DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:46, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Rod Of Fire Request Form

Why are objects different than people? Surely Cullen Rutherford, Leliana and others cover multiple installments in one page. DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:37, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Mostly precedent and practicality. See Lyrium Potion (Origins) and Lyrium Potion (Dragon Age II) and Lyrium Potion (Inquisition) all referring to the same item but because of a different installment and vastly different properties they are displayed on different pages (in our case the rod of fire is a plot item and the other is not even a normal item but a junk item). Containing all information into one page can be very confusing, for example we would have to display two different item values in the infobox. Finally such distinction on items happens all across the board in DA wiki. Viktoria Landers 10:29, September 5, 2018 (UTC)
I think the infobox is probably the best reason you give. I personally think the other way around is clearer in a "one stop shopping" sort of way: all information about lyrium potions on a single page reduces search confusion, need for disambiguation pages and so on. As for precedence, well we are the ones to set that, so presumably precedence isn't the same as immutable. Still, I'll create a new page for the DAII rod. DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:53, September 5, 2018 (UTC)
Okay, done including the disambig page. If you know how to get the value and item id for DAII items, please let me know. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:57, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

Hard in Hightown book

Is there a particular reason you reverted all of my hard work into an inferior, less informative version of the page? DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:16, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

"Reverted all of your hard work into an inferior, less informative version"? I am not sure I can follow, for the past half an hour I am creating sub-categories for Hard in Hightown, aside from the odd tweak here and there.
There were two pages and a merge discussion. I took all of the changes from one, merged them into the other and redirected to the second. You turned the second page into a redirect and restored the former. Specifically this change: and this one: are not "odd tweaks" and regress the work I did. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:34, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
This is a behind-the-scenes work which very few DA wikians are experienced enough to do and is about the wiki's infrastructure rather than a front page's quality. Viktoria Landers 21:22, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I am so sorry to not be one of the anointed! How dare I question. Gah. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:34, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Oh you are referring on the rename. Honestly I didn't expect that. Please be more specific next time because renaming a page does not suddenly make all of its content "inferior and less informative"! Also your apology is not accepted. Tonguesmiley
Anyway let's get serious. I didn't know you felt strongly about the page's title (I simply renamed without checking what happened), as it is quite frequent that fresh new pages in the wiki to lack standardization, like missing categories or improper title. All DA installments start with "Dragon Age:" "Dragon Age: Origins" or "Dragon Age: Last Flight" the latter in fact being the last novel before HH's arrival. See also Template:Series. From what I see Evamitchelle also followed this naming convention before you renamed the main page (category page remained with the old style though).
So do you want me to start a wiki-wide conversation and seek opinions from other editors? Just let me know what you need me to do! Viktoria Landers 21:57, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Hey, there. So seriously, I don't care about the rename, I care about the content and the process of redirection did not preserve content. If you want to copy paste the former page's content into the new page name, that works for me. DaBarkspawn (talk) 23:24, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Which content I didn't preserve? I simply copy pasted everything from the page you worked on, into the new page. Then I made a few extra tweaks (edits) but these were trivial at best and I am confident you're not referring to them.
In the two links you posted above, isn't the content removed from one page the same with the content pasted into the new page? Viktoria Landers 07:48, September 22, 2018 (UTC)
Viktoria, you have my apologies. I somehow misread the diffs to read the other way, that the pasting went in other direction. Please carry on and ignore this. Again, sorry for reals. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:34, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
It's okay. It happens to me as well. More frequently than I'd want to. Tonguesmiley Viktoria Landers 22:27, September 23, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox standardization

Hey, I was reading the Quest Guide, but I am unsure whether it’s standard practice to link to every quest that gets unlocked in the “next” section or if I shouldn’t do that. Some Wikis like GTA Wiki list all quests that are unlocked, whereas I’ve found that other Wikis like UESP only do so if it’s part of a clear continuum (i.e. main quest). What’s the best thing to do here?

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about, I’m not sure if that’s the proper thing to do or if it should be reverted.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate3:14 AM Saturday, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

IMHO, having all three is better because it provides more information to the reader, not just in the quests themselves, but in letting the reader know that they are at a decision point. DaBarkspawn (talk) 03:20, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
I’m of a similar opinion, but I thought to ask around since I’ve been told off for doing it on Wikis before.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate3:23 AM Saturday, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
Yes DaBarkspawn (talk) 03:25, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
Hey Ursuuul! This DA wiki on a general basis follows UESP wiki's example. Only if there is a clear continuum, the next quests are listed. Based on that logic, if a quest unlocks you an entire region, we would have to list all the quests that inevitably become available to you as well.
More information isn't always a good thing. Too much information concentrated in every place makes things confusing, especially for a new reader. There are proper places to mention how the X quest gets unlocked by the unrelated Y quest, and fortunately we have lots of places where we can do that. Viktoria Landers 15:52, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
I prefer to think of the reader as intelligent rather than easily confused. ;) But this is is the first I've heard of us using UESP as a standard and I think that's not a good choice since they are not a Wikia wiki. Conversely, the Elder Scrolls Wiki, which is a TES Wikia wiki, does put multiple quests on a single infobox, for example Alduin's Wall which lists both The Throat of the World and Rebuilding the Blades as follow-ups to that quest and nobody seems to find it confusing. DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:18, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
Yes indeed, I prefer to view those situations from the lens of a new reader, not a seasoned editor.
I prefer 'grizzled' to 'seasoned' - j/k. ;)
Your example falls well within the realm of "clear continuum". But anyway I don't feel strongly on this subject, I just hope it doesn't create a slippery slope and 7 or 10 quests will be added in the infobox which will clutter things utterly. Lots of main quests in Inquisition unlock dozens of companion quests, operations and side quests. The same happens by unlocking new regions in DAI or by completing a short quest in the beginning of each Act in DA2. Viktoria Landers 19:44, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
I definitely agree that seven would be too many. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:11, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification! In my opinion, that’s what we have lists for, but I’ll respect the standardization & stop adding extraneous quests. I couldn’t do them all myself anyhow.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate10:58 PM Saturday, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Samson Image

Hey, isn't the infobox image for samsons meant to be on da2 because his appearance in da:I is conditional? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 14:15, October 14, 2018 (UTC)

DA:IMAGE#Character infobox pictures doesn't make a distinction about whether the character's appearance is guaranteed or not. It is only concerned about the depth of the character's involvement and Samson undoubtedly has a bigger impact in DAI. However I don't like this particular picture, the angle is bad. If you agree, I can take a much better one right at the start of In Your Heart Shall Burn. Viktoria Landers 16:07, October 14, 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I would prefer reverting to the da2 image. Also, glad to see you are finally playing inquisition

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 02:02, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Well, we need to change the rules for that first Icon wink As for DAI... I am surprised you just noticed. I've been uploading high res DAI screenshots on the wiki for a year now! Viktoria Landers 06:55, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

I'm happy to discuss the change as an option. However I think we should change it back to the da2 image, on a temporary basis. As for the other thing, I concede I have not being paying much attention to the wikia lately. Not much for me to do honestly. But I am very happy to hear that you finally got to play DA:I. How did you like? Which inquisitor background did you go with and what were your choices, major quest, romance etc.?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 11:55, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

I am working in fact in Dragon Age Fanon wiki on a related article. I just didn't get to Inquisitor yet. Poke me on skype when you have time and I will tell you anything you want to know Icon wink Viktoria Landers 16:08, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
Uhm, I just realized you deleted your skype. If you have any other means of direct communication, that'd be great. Viktoria Landers 16:15, October 16, 2018 (UTC) is turning into a problem. I just had to rollback their re-adding the DAI image twice in just a few minutes. We may need to lock the page. DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:32, October 26, 2018 (UTC)

New Spoiler Tag

We need a new spoiler tag for Dragon Age: Deception. You don't remember who made the previous ones do you? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 10:28, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Actually I can make one myself. I just need a fitting quote and a picture to feature on the spoiler. Also keep in mind that if we do this now, we might need to update the quote and the image if a more fitting one comes up on the 2nd issue. Viktoria Landers 06:59, October 18, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Short Spoiler template

You want to reproduce the spoiler templates from this Wiki on the Fanon Wiki? Only just for one singular template, rather than the complex meta template & multiple variations used here? I can probably do that, but it may be a bit because these templates don’t just use CSS & wikitext (which I’m good at), they use JavaScript as well (which I’m not good at) so it may take me time to locate the right code you need to copy to make them work. After that, I can school an admin on what site-wide code to install.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate4:36 PM Thursday, October 25, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Ursuul. I'm no JS ace, either, but I am a software engineer by trade. So, if you want a code review, feel free to hit me up. DaBarkspawn (talk) 18:42, October 25, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. The JS for the spoiler templates is located at MediaWiki:SpoilersToggle.js, written by Tierrie, so any JS code review you’d like to provide would rightly go to her. The import method I’ve used for transcluding the JS to Dragon Age Fanon uses FANDOM’s in-house minifier, which they recommend as the best practice for code imports on the network, so unless you see something to be improved on that then all that remains which you might want to look at is the CSS that I optimized from the original, or perhaps the wikitext that I doctored.
UrsuulTalkAdminDate6:52 PM Thursday, October 25, 2018 (UTC)

Here, read this manual for all the components necessary to reproduce a (functional) spoiler template. However, I would recommend not having just one Spoiler template, considering the multiple games, so if you change your mind & want to reproduce all of the spoiler templates from this Wiki then I’ll be happy to make Template:Spoiler a proper meta template for you (rather than the standalone template code in the manual).
UrsuulTalkAdminDate6:31 PM Thursday, October 25, 2018 (UTC)


Hey, did you still want me to weigh in on that? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 16:09, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

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