Can you merge those 2 topics? Forum: Your Favorite Quest Forum:Favorite Quest. (talk) 21:23, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:38, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Running a bot Edit

Hi there. Firstly, thanks for updating the navigation template.

Secondly, I'd like to run a bot who would convert "in [[Dragon Age II]]" and the like to "in ''[[Dragon Age II]]''" (italicized). It was born out of the discussion here – User talk:Viktoria Landers#Game name in italics. I did a test run on 10 pages, and everything seemed to work normally. Now I'd like to do a larger number of edits. What is the best course of action here?

I do not intend to have this bot running fully automatically, and I'm going to run it in small batches (10-20 pages at a time) so that I can check edits manually. In the future I'd like to use it for similar tasks. For example, with the split of the Ages page, we need to update all links pointing to the now absent sections. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 21:35, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Mostlyautumn. I have noticed that in more than half the cases that a page links to Ages, there is another reference later on which could also link in that page. Now with the split (which is not finished), if a page mentions the Exalted Age and later on the Blessed Age, we'd only change the first one, and the other one which wasn't a link would go unnoticed. What I want to say is:
  • Do the disambiguation manually.
  • Read the whole article in case links for other Ages (or pre-Ages) can be found.
    Viktoria Landers 21:57, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
My plan was to find all instances of "<Year> <Age Name>" and link the first one for each age. Oh, and do it in the main text only (i.e. not in infoboxes or other templates etc). Anyway, as I said, I'm going to check all edits manually. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 22:06, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

No problems, and it would be great to have an active bot running on the wiki. The general process for a bot is to create a new account for your bot, then contact Wikia to ask them to flag that account as a bot. Make sure to link to this discussion so they know you've got the all clear. From there you are free to use the bot as need (assuming all the changes are non-controversial, approved, etc.). Looking forward to seeing your bot in action. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:38, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

New spoilers! Edit

Hi Miss Amazing Admin! How have you been doing? I just wanted to point out this amazing new (old) feature I threw together last day (and night). The spoilers! I rewrote it using some fancy new things I learnt. So, I think you should take a look. Let me know if anything breaks or if something is out of place.

Plus, I left a note on Viktoria Landers page about potentially making some spoilers obsolete. That is to say, they are shown by default instead of hidden by default. Of course, the user can still toggle them and their preference will be remembered. Do check it out and let me know what you think :) -- tierrie talk contr 12:09, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Oh no Mr. Kitten admin, it looks like they're broken, all the text is sitting below the image and there's no definition. I can send you a pic if needed, but I'm sure it looks amazing when they're working Smiley.
I think it's a good idea to ease up on the spoilers. Perhaps if people are still hesitant about Origins spoilers we can find some way of indicating that the collapsed spoiler is still a spoiler so they can stop reading? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:38, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
Scratch that. All is looking as intended and looking good! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:04, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Precedent on Multi-Section Areas EditEdit

Hey Loleil, i wanted to ask you about a structural precedent. I'm trying to decide how to divide up the different areas of Chateau Haine in terms of articles. The problem is the two most similar articles, Fort Drakon and the Gallows both use completely different approaches. Fort Drakon just includes a map for each section and lists all NPCs and enemies on one page. The Gallows on the other hand has a separate article page for each section of the Gallows and overall page. Is there a particular style we are meant to follow?-HD3 (talk) 10:32, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

To my knowledge this has never been formally discussed, but the general precedent is to split off an "sub-area" into a separate article if the area is unique and has enough content to warrant it's own page. Based on what I've seen, I think using the style of the Gallows would be appropriate for Chateau Haine, but used your judgement to see if each area needs its own page. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:04, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
It's something of a tough call. Both the initial area outside the gate at the very start of the DLC and the actual Chateau interior which you fight through/infiltrate later are both just listed in game as "Chateau Haine". The courtyard area is "Chateau Courtyard" however. We could run it as one article easy enough. Though unlike Fort Drakon, where 4 of the 5 sub-sections are only involved in one quest, each section of Chateau Haine has at least one unique npc and one unique quest specific to that section.-HD3 (talk) 05:31, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm based off your description I can see the dilemma. Given the unique quests and NPCs it still seems as though the Gallows/Vigil's Keep style is the way to go though. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 00:42, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ok Ive written the articles for the other sections of Chateau Haine and updated the rest of the articles appropriately. If you like check it out sometimes, could use an external critical eye.-HD3 (talk) 12:20, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
I will go have a look Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:16, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't Algol go little too far? Edit

Didn't Algol go little too far? I used to call opinions of others brainwashing propagandas and he calls it a paranoia. That's not so different. (talk) 21:27, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

You're right that it's not an ideal response. However, it sounds like it was based off a misunderstanding which has now been resolved. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 00:42, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Mark of the Assassin Quest NPC Edit

Hi Loleil. Im sorry to bother you, but i was wondering about a couple of NPCs in Mark of the Assassin. Do you think it would be worthwhile for to make separate pages for Gabriel, the Hunter and the Scholar? or should we just leave them as part of the quest pages.-HD3 (talk) 05:08, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's no bother. Thanks for all the work! I'm not a big fan of giving pages to character's whose only purpose is to give quests, but there is a precedent for articles like that, so if you feel like creating some new articles and they pass DA:NOTABLE you can go for it. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:16, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

That's no place for advertisements Edit (talk) 07:45, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to see Tierrie has taken care of that. Thanks for letting us know. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:16, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

The user who adds random categories Edit

Hi. This guy hasn't stopped after you warned him. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 06:12, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, and on a different note, I'm glad to see your bot up and running. I had no idea there were so many articles needing italics! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 03:09, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Aaand... he's back :) – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 16:50, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Aaaand time for a longer block. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
He's at it again. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 10:31, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
Very odd behaviour. Thanks for letting me know. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 05:52, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Elora's Halla page Edit

Hello. I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, but I'm wondering why the page of the Quest Elora's Halla has a full list of all the side quests of DAO, when the other side quests pages do not. And on the other hand, there are errors on this page (about the skill requirements to solve the quest), so maybe it hasn't been updated since the latest patches ? I don't want to edit the page myself without confirmation and authorization, especially since I'm not used to do it. Sorry If it's not the right place to ask, I tried searching the forums and found nothing... --Charoleia (talk) 14:03, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

All the side quests showing up was an error due to some code that was removed from another page. It should all be working as intended now. As to editing, one of the key concepts of a wiki is that anyone can edit! So if you see any blatant errors please go right ahead and fix them. If there's something where you're not sure about the facts, making a topic on the talk page, as you did, is the way to go. Happy editing! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 21:59, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yes I know it's the point, but I am always afraid of messing with something... Anyway, I corrected it. Thanks for your time and help :) --Charoleia (talk) 23:51, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I made a new forum topic and I invite to discussion. Edit

I made a new forum topic and I invite to discussion. (talk) 16:30, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not much of a forum goer, but it sounds like an interesting topic. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome.

Hope you enjoy your time here! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 17:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Broken file link in signatureEdit

Sorted. I apologise for the problems it caused you. Alexsau1991 25px-Goddammit.svg.png (talk page) 22:39, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cut content Edit

If a page about Easter eggs exists, so I decided to start making a page Cut content revealing all abandoned concepts of the games, but they require references, so we could be sure that's no fanfic or speculation. The article is in early state and needs to be completed. If you know something more, I'd appreciate your efforts in putting new informations. (talk) 21:25, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Looking good! I added links to our category pages on unobtainable items so that people can check out some of the cut/missing items too and a reference heading so that all the references will show up. If any other cut content springs to mind I will add that in there too. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 03:28, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Bronze Sextant/Wending Wood Edit

The Wending Wood was misspelled on a few pages as The Wending Woods (plural). I cleaned up all the ones I could find, but a curious thing is happening with the page Bronze Sextant. If you look at the page itself, it gives the correct location name as Wending Wood. But when you go to the Gifts (Awakening) page and look at the sextant on the list (it's one of Nathaniel's gifts), it gives the location name as Wending Woods.

I know absolutely nothing about how tables work in the wiki, and I can't see any way to modify the gift table on the Gifts page to correct the spelling, and everything on the Bronze Sextant page itself looks correct. Not sure what I'm doing wrong here as it doesn't seem to have happened with any other page I corrected... Kelcat (talk) 04:07, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that up for us! The reason that the table was displaying the name incorrectly was that it takes information from the notes line on the infobox for Bronze Sextant and that is where the mistake was. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 04:41, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
I have no idea how I missed that infobox! Thanks so much for fixing it. Kelcat (talk) 04:50, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:53, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't go too far? Edit

Didn't go too far by calling me by word on B in his last comment? (talk) 20:31, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the comment and will keep an eye on future edits. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 00:52, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Delete request Edit

I sorta failed at renaming the Property_data article I added to Property_Data. Can you delete the Property_data article? Right now they're just duplicates and I added links to Property_Data. Sen4lifE (talk) 06:27, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, site style actually encourages lowercase spelling for article titles, so I will delete Property Data for you. Also, don't forget to add categories and a lead section explaining what your article is about. Thanks for your contributions Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:05, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Guardian of EnasalinEdit

Hi Loleil. I wanted to speak to you about the Guardian of Enasalin article. First let me clarify and say that article is about just the chest piece not the article for the whole armor set which is here : Enasalin armor set.

Anyway, to cut a long story short WardenWade removed the original image which only had the chest piece and replaced it with the same image on the armor set page which displays all the pieces of the set. Since it's an article dedicated to the chest piece rater than the whole set i would argue that alone is enough to warrant reverting to the original image.

I am more concerned about Wade's reason for removing the image which they listed as "Removing custom character image". I am a little worried here about establishing a precedent if this isn't reverted. We've got a lot of images of custom designed characters used for pieces of armor and weapons etc. If we're going to start accepting this as a valid reason for removing the image, we will have to lose a lot of images. I would contend that so long as the subject of the article is properly displayed we don't need to remove the image.-HD3 (talk) 03:39, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for poking into this discussion... You're right about the image I used instead, HD3; I didn't have one handy that featured only the chestpiece for this set, which I would have preferred to use, but as it appeared to have an un-altered Hawke I thought it would work for a placeholder until I could locate a more appropriate good-quality image (I don't have a copy of DA2 myself, for screenshots).
As to the custom character images, I have seen in the past that sometimes using a custom player character to display items on the wiki is discouraged and I thought it might be the case here. If it is not an issue to use them, however, that is great. I will gladly revert to the old image if that is the case. I apologize for the confusion, and for jumping in here, HD3 and Loleil.--WardenWade (talk) 13:21, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
To follow up, I will revert this image back, as the images for the other parts of this armor set have similar ones in use. Thank you! :)--WardenWade (talk) 00:12, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
No need to apologise WardenWade, our image guidelines do indeed state that "If a customized character is used, it should ideally be replaced with the male or female default Hawke." However, when we don't have a picture of the default Hawke, there's no problem using a custom Hawke. Given that we don't yet have a picture of a default Hawke wearing just the chestpiece, I agree that using the current (custom Hawke) picture is the best option. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 05:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism Edit

Just a heads up, vandalized the Bartrand Tethras article.-HD3 (talk) 09:57, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 05:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Initial Statistics for Companion ArticlesEdit

Hi again. I wanted to ask your opinion on something. The initial statistics sections outlining the beginning talents for the companion articles could do with a bit of a clean up. But the problem is we've got two competing models for how to lay out the section. We can go with the really simple model on pages like Leske or we can use the flashier one on pages like Morrigan and Mhairi. I wanted to run this by you first with a view to creating a template we can apply across all the origins companion articles.-HD3 (talk) 15:12, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Usually I'm fond of a bit of flash, but in this case I think the simplicity of the model used on Leske's page works best. Given some of our companion pages are already on the lengthy side, I think that providing a clear and concise depiction of the initial stats is the way to go. Glad you noticed the discrepancy between the two styles. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 05:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
There is a bit of a middle ground to be had. The long form offers great elaboration and reference while the short form is a skimmed stub. I would recommend going the long form in a different format. Related talents in a line that require former skills to be had can be shown versus showing all talents in that line. For example, on Morrigan, writing:

Skill-ImprovedHerbalism icon Improved Herbalism

Skl ico combat2 Improved Combat Training

Or Icons only (Hovering over them will show what they are via link):


Skill-Herbalism iconSkill-ImprovedHerbalism icon

Skl ico combat1Skl ico combat2

Or Icons + text for latest ability:


Skill-Herbalism iconSkill-ImprovedHerbalism icon Improved Herbalism

Skl ico combat1Skl ico combat2 Improved Combat Training

If you REALLY wanted to go fancy and compact, you could upload grayscales of every abilities (at least abilities companions will have) and use the Icon Only format at 32x or 42x and for abilities that the companion has, use the colored and for the ones they do not, use the grayscale while linking the colored ones. Either option would cut down vertical space while retaining the detail. This is a project I would do... Sen 21:41, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm certainly open to a third option. However, if the icons are retained I feel that having the name of the ability is an important feature to keep. Making a reader hover each one of the different abilities to find the name seems as though it would be unnecessarily time consuming. If we use your suggested horizontal method, how would you propose dealing with spells and talents? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:04, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

There's enough horizontal space on the page for four talents/spells, which are the max in Origins for a line (I am assuming this only pertains to Origins companions. Since DA2 spells and talents are presented differently, it'd only make sense to present them in a different way the Wikia). For example, if a companion had all cold spells in the Primal tree:


Winter's Grasp may refer to:
Disambig gray This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.
Spell-FrostWeapons icon Frost Weapons Cone of Cold may refer to:
Disambig gray This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.
Blizzard may refer to:
Disambig gray This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.

You could also eliminate needing to put both a talent tree for PC and Consoles (saving a tremendous amount of space) by putting notes below or fitting them in next to the talents. Using Morrigan as an example:


Winter's Grasp may refer to:
Disambig gray This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.
Spell-FrostWeapons icon Frost Weapons (pcIcon pcLevel 7)
Lightning Lightning (pcIcon pcLevel 6)
Spell-VulnerabilityHex icon Vulnerability Hex
Spell-Disorient icon Disorient Horror may refer to:
Disambig gray This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.
(ps3Icon ps3xbox360Icon xbox360Level 7)
Spell-DrainLife icon Drain Life

-Sen 22:33, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the unfortunate thing about using that style for Skills is that, for example, if you try to link to Improved Combat Training, it will look the same as Combat Training (hence the original author putting (Improved) after). Even though there are both Combat Training|style=iconmini and Improved Combat Training|style=iconmini, they appear exactly the same. How to change that so you can format them the same as spells is beyond me. For now, you'd have to manually format them. In which case, this would look like:


Skl ico combat1 Combat Training Skl ico combat2 Improved Combat Training
Which, other than longer code, isn't really a notable difference. Hope this all helps, sorry for cluttering your talk page. Sen 22:50, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
We should probably open a forum thread to discuss this with the community at large.-HD3 (talk) 03:38, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
No worries, I don't mind the messages at all. I always appreciate editors with new ideas Smiley.
Thanks for the offering those extra examples. I find myself still preferring the short and sweet method myself, but as there are a few ideas being presented I will start a forum page. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:14, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Quest Rewards Edit

There's several inconsistencies on the Result/Rewards section of quests. For one, on some articles they are the same thing, while on others, they are not. Second, some are sloppy and require editing for concision (i.e.: long bits of information that should be placed in Notes and clutter the Result section). Also, there are little bits of inconsistent uniform, such as writing XP given as #XP or # XP.

I was thinking of going through the Dragon Age II quests and editing the Result/Reward sections in a format of:

  • #DAO goldpiece trans #DAO silverpiece trans #DAO bronzepiece trans
  • # XP (combat) + # XP (quest): # XP
  • Random treasure
  • Unique Treasure 1
  • Unique Treasure 2
  • Frienship/Rivalry summary
  • Quests Unlocked

Unfortunately there isn't a treasure page for Dragon Age II to elaborate on "Random treasure" just yet, but perhaps one will be added. Also, each reward is only listed if applicable.

And on a second note, perhaps adding a Next Quest in Series > and < Previous Quest in Series for quest chains.

I figured I'd ask first, since this would be a large volume edit. Sen 21:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to chime in and say that significant changes should probably be discussed on the forum. Personally, I like having separate (sub)sections: friendship/rivalry, loot, result, rewards and unlocks. Nevertheless, I agree that there is some room for improvement. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 22:12, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Just to clarify, this only affects the Result and Rewards subsections in articles. If you notice, for some quests, the content of Result and Rewards are both put under Result while on others they are separated. The Friendship/Rivalry walkthrough (long version) would still have a separate subsection. The summary (+# Friendship/Rivalry Total) would be put under that way. Long notes such as "If you..." would be properly placed in the conversation walkthrough or in notes (in some quests, there are three paragraphs pushed into a wall of text talking about a Friendship/Rivalry choice in the Results section).
The format suggested could also be looked at as:
  • Loot + Rewards
  • Conversation Rewards
  • Quests unlocked
  • Companion Unlocked
-Sen 22:25, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I certainly agree that the DAII quest pages could do with a bit of standardization and I have no problems with the style you've suggested Sen. I would also suggest running this by the community by opening a forum page. You might like to also do up a sandbox page to demonstrate what it the new style would look like. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:04, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
Forum post made. Depending where it goes, I'll get to work on it. -Sen 00:06, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I will take a look. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:14, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Another insult for different view. Edit called me a hypocrite and an ass simply because he doesn't agree with my opinion on Gaider in comments on blog Dragon Age: Inquisition - Another Concept. I can be alone with my believes buty it doesn't give him any authority to insult me for different opinion. (talk) 21:33, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you've seen this, but you received a warning for your post on that discussion. While name calling isn't what we want to see, your comment is a more serious offense. As that particular discussion thread is going off topic, I will post a reminder to all editors to stay on topic and to stay away from making personal attacks. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:04, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Broken categories Edit

Hey Loleil, I noticed that two categories are not activating the "Read More" feature. These are the Category:BioWare and Category:Real world articles. Can you please verify that it happens to you as well? Thanks! Viktoria Landers 07:51, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Viktoria! I can confirm that Read More is not displaying correctly on pages using those two categories. I suspect that the issue with the BioWare category is that it only has one page, so there are no other pages to link to there. However, I'm not sure what would be causing problems with Real world articles. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:43, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's a threat to me Edit

Dave The Maniac wrote in comments on your blog "@Anon - yeah well... I'm rubber you're glue!!!", that's an insult and a threat, he thinks he has authority to remove my comments because he disagrees, because he has a registred account unlike me. I tried to register several times and wikia never sent me authorization link, so I gave up, but the point óf my message is is this threat. (talk) 20:21, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

"I am rubber, you are glue" is a common English saying. It is generally meant to imply that another person's words have no effect on the listener. It is not a threat.
I would strongly encourage you to follow-up making an account. If (after making sure the confirmation is not in your spam folder) you cannot find the email, I would suggest you contact Wikia to get help. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 23:27, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages Edit

Hello! Question for you regarding disambiguation pages: if there are no longer any pages that redirect to the disambiguated page (such as Amulets, where I cleaned up the one page that pointed to it) is there anything in particular that needs to be done with the disambiguated page? Should I just remove the { {Disambig} } tag, or is there something else that is needed as well? Kelcat (talk) 06:23, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hi! The main purpose of disambiguation pages is to help readers find the article they're looking for. So in the case of amulets, a reader might want to find out more about the amulets in Dragon Age II, but may not be familiar with our naming conventions and just search just for amulets. When they are taken to the disambiguation page they can then easily find the article they are looking for. So, in short, the disambiguation page still serves a purpose and you don't need to change it.
On a separate note, a big thank you for going through the Origins item pages and making sure they have the correct layout. It's something that's needed doing for a long time, so your work is appreciated. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 10:14, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, okay! I didn’t even think about the page serving that purpose, but it makes sense.
And you’re very welcome :) I’ve been looking for a way to contribute more to the wiki, and this project works perfectly (I’m a stickler for uniformity).
On the subject of clean-ups, is there a way to find all pages with the { {missing info} } tag? Kelcat (talk) 00:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
Sure is! You can find them all in Category:Articles to be expanded and I'm glad to hear to hear the wiki is going to get some more help to make it uniform. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 23:06, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oghren Image Edit

Hey Loleil,I wanted to ask about that Oghren image we changed on the codex article. I just wonder if we should replace that given that it's got all that blood spatter. Whats the policy on character profile images with persistent gore?-HD3 (talk) 06:47, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

There isn't a hard and fast rule regarding gore on character images. The reason I used that particular image is that I'm currently in the process of clearing out unused images from the wiki and trying to salvage what I can. I think that image evokes his character well and using a different image on the codex pages gives the wiki extra depth. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:45, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Need help to rename a page Edit

I'd like to rename Celene I to "Empress Celene I" in accordance with the other orlesian emperors, however the wiki does not let me do it. Can you please rename the page yourself? Thanks! Viktoria Landers 12:32, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Done Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:16, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Darkspawn Chronicles weapons/armor Edit

I’m working on cleaning up the Darkspawn Chronicles articles as Viktoria Landers pointed out they need some work! I’m replaying it now and I see that a lot of the weapons and armor in the DLC are identical in name and appearance as weapons in Origins, but they have completely different stats and requirements. Currently, on the The Darkspawn Chronicles page under Notable Items it makes a note of that, but I’m on the fence as to whether they warrant having their own separate pages since the stats are so different. I made two pages already: Large Darkspawn Shield (Darkspawn Chronicles) and Darkspawn Longsword (Darkspawn Chronicles), but then I started second-guessing myself as to whether they (and other weapons and armor) should get their own pages. I feel like all the differences in stats should be noted somewhere, but again, I don’t know the best way of documenting that. Kelcat (talk) 23:29, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hehe that they do! Given the different stats and acquisition I agree with the approach you've taken thus far. When we had the same item appear in Origins and Awakening, but with different stats, separate pages were created for them too (see Pearl of the Anointed and Pearl of the Anointed (Awakening) for an example). Keep up the good work. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:17, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, good! That's what I was thinking but I thought I'd double-check before I got too far :D Kelcat (talk) 02:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Returning to old profile information Edit

Hi Loleil,

I was wondering if it was possible for you to restore my profile page to an older version of itself (specifically this one, from March 31st). I had used 'undo' several times to return the page to its original form, and I can do that again to get back to this version, but I was wondering if there was a simpler way! -Sophia (talk) 20:31, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

You're in luck as there is a simpler way! If you go to the March 31st link you gave me, you can just hit the edit button, then publish, and you should be all set. Would you like to give that a go? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:23, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Sophie, Loleil! I'd like to second what Loleil said and just add that you should ignore any warnings that you're editing an older version of the page, etc Smiley Viktoria Landers 13:58, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
Ooh, that's handy! And it worked! Thank you very much, Loleil and Viktoria! :) -Sophia (talk) 15:34, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
Glad that worked for you. It's a handy way of dealing with vandalism from multiple sources too! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:06, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Really rude Edit has behaved rudely on blog Qunari Playable Race Confirmed. Can you explain him rules of civilized behaviour like you had explained me earlier? (talk) 18:10, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

I will have a look. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:06, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

New category Edit

Heya! I tried creating a new category for all of the Darkspawn Chronicles codex entries, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it right (never made a category before).The Darkspawn Chronicles Codex Entries. Going onto that page, it states that there's no category by that name, though it does show the pages I added that category to.

I tried following the instructions from ( but obviously I'm missing something. Kelcat (talk) 01:28, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Edit: Obviously I shouldn't be editing late at night :D So apparently I did get the codex entry tag to work. appears fine and shows the text that I added last night. I'm not entirely sure if the first category page I linked actually exists anymore, but if it does please delete it. Sorry! Kelcat (talk) 05:53, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
Hehe I know I've been there with the late night editing too, but I'm glad to see you got it all sorted Smiley. It doesn't look like the first category you linked too ever got created. Possibly it was displaying some content because there were pages linked there? But there's no extra work for me, so it's all good! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:06, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

vandal Edit

Please, block this person and revert his edits, he keeps reverting them back. --Ygrain (talk) 13:39, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that King Cousland has blocked this vandal. Thank you for helping to revert the edits. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 23:39, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Buy price" on character infobox Edit

Hi Loleil! I apologize if this is an easy fix and I did not see it, or if I ought to direct this question elsewhere... I just noticed on the page for Vivienne that there is a "buy price" listing in her infobox stating "Expression error: Unexpected = operator." I just made an edit to the page and perhaps I did something and didn't realize it..? As it looks like something that may need to be deleted, I have looked over the coding for the infobox and cannot determine how to fix this. Would it be possible to take a look at it, or let me know if there is anything I can do to fix this notation? Thank you!

EDIT: I see that most if not all characters on the wiki have this on their infoboxes as well, so I apologize if this is unnecessary. Thanks again! --WardenWade (talk) 16:28, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! It was a mistake I made, it should be fixed now. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 17:00, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Mostlyautumn :) --WardenWade (talk) 19:05, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
Always nice to log on and see an issue already resolved. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:42, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Name of a conflict Edit

Based on DAI trailer I guess the game we'll be about demon version of the blight, for now I can call it "Demon Invasion" or "Demon Wars". Wars of templars and wizards with Orlesian Civil war are pararel conflicts as was Fereldan civil war to the 5th Blight. For now we have too few informations but we can wait for more and I think such thing is going to happen. I wish to know admin's opinion on that idea of mine. (talk) 16:09, September 6, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

As you rightly suggest, we don't have enough information to create a page or chose a title at this point. If it turns out that that conflict makes a suitable subject for a page, I have no problems with it being created. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:42, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

OFF TOPIC. You said on forum that afflications are optional, so I decided to delate them from as many pages as possible. (talk) 06:00, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

To be clear, the agreement from that discussion was to remove it from pages where it wasn't needed, not to remove it from all pages. So long as you're careful there shouldn't be a problem though. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:41, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Forum Problems Edit

Loleil, is there something wrong with the forums? Every time i try to use the Add New Topic option i get an error message.-HD3 (talk) 04:34, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Everything looks fine from my end, but if you keeping having problems I would get in touch with Wikia and let them know. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:41, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Better for him to watch his tongue Edit

Alexsau1991 is going to be violant, he wrote to me "You're talking out of your arse.", that's rude. Even if people are wrong, they shouldn't be insulted and treated like this. (talk) 06:25, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alexsau's comment does not imply violence. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 03:01, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Insult Edit

Insulting fiction is ok, but real people not, so I report that Warden Mage: Ferris wrote to me "You have a very close-minded and narrow view of the fictional world of Thedas anon...It's that kind of half arsed thinking that got us into this mage templar war.... ". That's an insult, he called me close-minded simply for not wanting a demon companion in DAI. (talk) 06:21, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to just leave this right here: I'm not sure how to link to a specific part, but the "Identifying incivility" section is relevant to this conversation. This anon has been uncivil and antagonizing on numerous forums all day. It's no surprise that a few people have expressed irritation with him/her, myself included. Kelcat (talk) 07:29, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Even so, others don't have right to do so and you're rude for putting your nose into business that isn't yours and that's worse. You're the only one, who has a problem, you see antagonizing where it isn't. You accuse me for something I didn't. False accussing is worse. (talk) 07:35, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Kelcat is not the only one who has had a problem with your behaviour. Multiple people have complained about your antagonistic behaviour and I have warned you about this more than once. You have repeatedly taken innocuous comments very personally, have used language that turns topics hostile, and have insulted multiple editors multiple times. Not using swear words does not mean you haven't insulted someone. You have already been granted considerable leeway due to the language barrier, but you need to seriously consider the language and attitude you use here if you want to continue editing. Consider this your final warning. Any further inappropriate edits will result in blocks. If you attempt to evade any block by changing IPs, the duration will be increased. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 03:01, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
And you do nothing to Warden Mage: Ferris? HE misbahaved, no misbahaviour even so little shouldn't be ignored. (talk) 07:07, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
I've suggested this to you before. DO read Dragon Age Wiki: Code of Conduct. Don't make upu your own rules. Just because someone speaks in a way you don't like, doesn't mean they deserve an admin's attention and smiting. This wiki's rules of behaviour (aka Code of Conduct) of the users are pretty loose and an admin's intervetion is only required when someone repeatedly goes out of their way to spread negativity. I.e. what you are doing. But you would have everyone banned for disagreeing with you in antyhing other that Queen's English, for it is "violent", "rude" and "insulting." Henio0 (talk) 07:41, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't talikng to you. (talk) 07:42, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
Editors aren't usually warned about (or blocked over) a single edit unless it is a blatant and severe violation of the Code of Conduct. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 12:42, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for intruding. But since it's hard to communicate to people with dynamic IP, I'd like to inform Dalish fan of my message here. Viktoria Landers 10:32, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Edition error Edit

I edited page of Suit of Armor by adding specialization, but it doesn't appear. What happens? (talk) 07:36, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the editing summary, the specialization line in the creature infobox is not available. Viktoria Landers 07:51, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

I want you to know. Edit

I want you to know that I treat like an insult and disrespect when someone tells anyone to ignore me. I don't know if it's in your wiki codex, but I treat like that, a long family tradition. Alexsau1991 told Ralok something like that about me and I hope my reaction wasn't bad. I don't tell anyone to ignore someone or ridicule anyone. It was a simple discussion, I can't predict how sensitibe Ralok can be when I write something he disagrees with. After your latest warning I try to be careful what I write, so I wrote my thinking to you instead of him. (talk) 21:45, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

you know there is a difference between a recommendation, and a demand. HE wasnt demanding anything of anyone, he was just giving some casual advice... also I am not mad at you for writing stuff I disagree with, I am upset that you shoot down ideas for no reason and do not try to discuss them, almost all of your comments can be summed up as "shut up, you're wrong!" ... almost everything you have said is "because I said so" while I admit freely that my varying theories probably arent right... they are just something to think about. ralok (talk) 21:54, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
You simply misinterpretated my comments, I don't try to make yopu think "shut up, you're wrong!" as you say. I simply disagree with most of your theories and I try to find points against them. You want to give everyone something to think and you learn my thoughts on them. (talk) 22:01, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
you arent adding anything to the discussion, you are just telling me to stop thinking about things with no adequate reason provided. ralok (talk) 22:14, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

New problem here. Wasn't Welshman15 uncivil by calling me a narrow-minded individual on forum Forum:Cole in Dragon Age Inquisition.? (talk) 17:54, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ferris and his uncivil behaviour. Edit

Warden Mage: Ferris insulted me for expressing my lack of desire to support mages in DAI, what a childish reason to insult people for something that doesn't exist. That's so uncivil.

"Forget calling the anon Meredith, with as much as he talks about eradicating large amounts of people, and his frequent bursts of paranoia making enemies where there were none, it'd be more accurate to call the anon "Adolf"".

Calling me paranoidal and Adolf simply for seeing that fictional situation in different way is uncivil. I at least try to be civil. (talk) 12:37, September 25, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

2 new deliquentsEdit

Now that's Algol, who misbehaves. He wrote to me: "Could you please get that stick out of your... you know what. In the meanwhile, please familiarize yourself with the concept of Figure of speech -Algol- (talk) 16:15, October 1, 2013 (UTC)" (talk) 16:46, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

And now Lurooke Surana "Oh, go complain about how mages are evil or something.--Lurooke Surana (talk) 16:53, October 1, 2013 (UTC)" (talk) 17:05, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

This is getting worse.Edit

Just read this [1]. (talk) 18:04, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Page rename Edit

Hey! Can you please rename The Chevaliers to Chevaliers? The problem is that the destination page already exists. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 17:45, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Done. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:03, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Scout's Medal Trivia Edit

I wanted to talk to you about the Scout's Medal trivia. I know we took down a lot of the speculative trivia when we put in those new guidelines, but I think the case for this one is pretty strong and we should consider restoring it to the article.-HD3 (talk) 12:17, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to idea that it might have belonged to Rendon? If so, I won't mind if it goes back in. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:03, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Edition error Edit

Several times when I edited forums, the previous edition was undone. I am not Jak Dracker, I don't delete posts of others. Please keep that error in mind. (talk) 16:19, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

chat issues Edit

Not sure which admins are around so I'll leave this on all of them. This blog is getting out of hand in my opinion:

It's boiling down to everyone insulting everyone else, and now anon is making insulting comments about algol, who hasn't even commented on this blog. Kelcat (talk) 18:43, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

That's right I went too far. I shouldn't call Algol a fanatical mage supporter. I apologise and I accept my punishment as blocking my IP. (talk) 18:46, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dragon Age 2 Companions Short Stories Edit

Hi Loleil, I was thinking the other day while they were removing the trivia links to that quote about what food the DA:O companions would be, that it might be worth taking a look at these short stories. They all provide some insight into one of the DA2 companions and the link may not last indefinitely. I was wondering if it might be worth writing them up on the wiki. Perhaps in the style of a codex entry, so there's no chance of the link expiring and the stories being lost. -HD3 (talk) 11:45, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I think preserving them is a good idea. Thanks for suggesting it. I'm not sure they belong in the mainspace though. I'm thinking a blog or the article talk page is the way to go. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:49, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

I personally would favour a separate article page for each story which we could then link back to the main character article. That way we could avoid cluttering the mainspace of companion articles while keeping the article talk page for mechanical discussion rather than storyline material. Thoughts? -HD3 (talk) 03:10, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, given how we treat pages like the Penny Arcade comic, and the fact the stories are publicly available, I think it would be suitable to give the short stories their own pages. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:54, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ok I'll get on it.-HD3 (talk) 03:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Page renames Edit

Hey! Can you rename a couple of pages for me? I've been doing some renaming to remove titles, but have hit a snag with a couple that won't let me change them as the destination pages already exist.

Bann Esmerelle >> Esmerelle
Arl Eamon Guerrin >> Eamon Guerrin
Lord Denek Helmi >> Denek Helmi

Thanks! Kelcat (talk) 14:57, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your hard work, I've renamed the above pages. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:49, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Profile Restoration Edit

Thanks for restoring my profile page today, Loleil :) I appreciate it!--WardenWade (talk) 02:57, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:54, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

3rd fraction Edit

I and Victoria Landers discussed about GW's involvement in Darkspawn Civil War. We all know they are not allies of the Architect unless player decide to buy what he was selling in the very end of the conflict.

We both think conflicts like Darkspawn Civil War should have collum for the 3rd party, but that's impossible with current edition system. So we ask you for an update to make 3rd collums of the 3rd fraction in conflict infoboxes. This conflict is the only one we know with 3 fractions, Victoria thinks mage-templar war is also such kind of conflict, but not me, however Darkspawn Civil War is an unusual conflict. (talk) 12:26, October 18, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

Glad to see D-day has already helped. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:54, October 19, 2013 (UTC)


Curious as to why the deletion of Companion Strategies page ( Dragon Age Origins )? (talk) 01:19, October 19, 2013 (UTC) -- (talk) 01:19, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

You read the discussion that led to the deletion here. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:54, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism Edit

Hey, I'm leaving a message anywhere I could hope for a response. There's a guy, namely Hello1234test who's determined to upload pornographic pictures on articles. I'm undoing what he's doing at the moment, though I can't delete pictures. I hope he will be banned soon, until then I shall do what I can. --Margerard 15:19, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for all your work reverting the vandal. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 22:03, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Items' type cat in item sets Edit

Hey Loleil! I hope you're doing fine!

I noticed that in some of your edits a while ago you removed the armor type from armor sets. In the linked example the Massive armor category, from a massive armor set.

However, up until now the majority of the item sets still retain their type, so I'm inclined to presume that this was an unintended error and the armor type category was removed along with the other categories in your edits. However if this is not the case, and you think that only the category about the appearance of the item sets should remain in such pages (and not a category about their type as well) please let me know. Smiley Viktoria Landers 15:53, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, there wasn't a consistent style when it came to categorizing item sets across the two games, so I looked to how the more recent item sets in DAII were categorized. It appeared to me that most of these pages only used an appearance cat and an item set cat. As those pages were created more recently (many by D-day who I consider a great judge of how categories should be organised) I assumed that was new precedent. I don't have a strong preference for either style as long as it is consistent. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Short stories Edit

Hey! I was told that I should ask your opinion about something, I hope you don't mind it. To summarize it: lately I've uploaded the short stories for each DA2 companion to help out HD3, as he told me he signed up to do that but had no time to get to it, so I offered my help. This led me to believe it was something that was already decided and had to be done at one point, but now I'm not sure. Tierrie told me today that we shouldn't host actual contents, but have external links to them instead, and if that link becomes broken, then we should find another one in that case. But regardless of his opinion, he told me that I should ask you and D-day too what's your opinion on this. Could you check them please and let me know about it? Thanks in advance! --Margerard 19:02, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

If I might add my two cents here. First I'd just like to re-state that as is indicated by the above topic on Loleil's talk page, I did discuss the matter prior to mentioning it to Marge.

I can't help but think in this case, Tierrie is mistaken. The wiki is more than " a reference site", we are a resource for all things Dragon Age, not just an index for outside referrals. I don't see how hosting the stories directly on the wiki is any different from any of the other information we make directly available from the series. As I mentioned in the original discussion post on Loleil's page, there is also the issue of preservation. Placing them on the wiki directly rather than relying on external links which may expire or break in some other way, ensures they are readily available for any of our readers. -HD3 Sig 10:12, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

No problems. As HD3 says he did run this by me and I gave my support. I think it's a net positive for the wiki and doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 18:55, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply, I'm a bit relieved now. --Margerard 19:21, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. -- tierrie talk contr 21:57, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Offensive anonEdit

Hello! I'm just reporting this anon user for abuse in the forums: . -Sophia (talk) 10:42, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Sophia. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reflections and HorizonsEdit

Hi There!

With the next generation of consoles all set to launch in a couple of weeks, Wikia thought it would be the perfect time for some of our most active community members to take a fond look back at the current generation. We’d love if you’d provide us with a piece — however long you see fit — wherein you reminisce about a topic of your choosing related to the current generation. We are going to present what you write in an upcoming feature called “Reflections.”

For example, you could write about memories of discovering and playing Dragon Age, providing us with examples of things that made the game resonate with you. Or, more generally, you could write about what this last generation of games has meant to you as a gamer and RPG fan.

We’re going to be looking to the future, as well, with a similar feature titled “Horizons.” If you could also let us know, in as many words as you like, what trends you’d like to accompany the next generation of games (and what you DON’T want to see) we’d really appreciate it.

Let me know what you think or if you have any questions.

Mhadick (talk) 20:55, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

This sounds like a lovely idea! What sort of word count and time frame are you looking at? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:51, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me! Word count is entirely up to you. 400 - 1,000 would be amazing, but feel free to do less or more if you think it works. We'd like to have these by early Monday morning.


Hey there! Manage to put anything together for us? If we can get it by some point tomorrow, that would be awesome.
Many thanks!
Mhadick (talk) 22:43, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Replied via email Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:17, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Rename Category Edit

Hey! I just created this category: , but it should actually be characters, plural. There's no option to rename it myself, so is this something you can do for me, or would I have to remake the category? Kelcat (talk) 01:20, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! Unfortunately there's no way of renaming categories, so you will have to create a new one. Once you've done that I can delete the old one for you. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 01:25, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, okay. I've created the correct category and removed all pages from the wrong category, so if you could delete it I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Kelcat (talk) 01:51, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Done Smiley. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:00, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bad bahaviour Edit

JH EP is a troll, he insults me for no reason. His edition from 09:22, November 25, 2013 is an evidence of this. Please Remove his insulting comment and teach him how to behave.[[2]]FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 09:32, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

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