Season's Greetings Edit

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Qwanza/Hannukah/Whatever the appropriate seasonal greeting may be -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 22:55, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you too!! Smiley --Kelcat Talk 01:58, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Help with removing a page Edit

Hey Kelcat, I created a page by mistake, not realizing I could rename the original page created. Can you please delete or assist me with deleting [Kepper's Robe] as the proper page created was Keeper's Robe.--Zj24 (talk) 18:38, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing! It's been deleted. --Kelcat Talk 19:19, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Years! Edit

(as above) -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 07:43, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

And the same to you! Hopefully it'll be a good one for the wiki Smiley --Kelcat Talk 07:55, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

War Table Edit

Hey Kelcat, I have been trying to properly display operations for Jaws of Hakkon on the War table page but nothing I do seems to properly display them correctly. One of the operations seems to be messing with the entire table, as well as the repeatable missions which I threw at the end of the table temporarily, I'm surprised no one has realized this. Can you please provide assistant on the matter.--Zj24 (talk) 06:30, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Ugh, I've been messing with this for an hour and can't seem to fix it. I've narrowed it down to having something to do with that category "Pages where template include size is exceeded" but I can't figure out exactly what that means or how to fix it. I'll have to do some research and maybe contact wikia. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. --Kelcat Talk 07:59, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Kelcat, I think I figured it out. The War table has become too long due to the addition of the "with & without Trespasser DLC" verbage that has been added to quests that have rewards that are altered by the addition of the Trespasser DLC. Instead of wording rewards "without Trespasser DLC," I think I can resolve this issue if we only add "with Trespasser DLC" to the new rewards. What are your thoughts on the matter? --Zj24 (talk) 05:21, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
That makes sense! I was worried that it was because the article was just too long, but I couldn't get it to fix even when I tried to split it up. I think your idea would be a good solution. In my mind, the "standard" would be without Trespasser--seing as the DLC costs money, so not everyone will have it, so I think that should be listed first with the DLC rewards second, with the note. --Kelcat Talk 05:28, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
I uncovered a bit more, I guess there is a particular amount of words/characters that can be used with each individual link. All those words/characters combined determine the outcome of the War table page. So as I changed "(without Trespasser DLC)" in the rewards section of each mission to (without Trespasser DLC), I also removed it altogether from the results section of each adviser, and shortened the "(with Trespasser DLC)" to (with Trespasser); I noticed more quests are view-able on the War table page, but it seems at the moment that is the best it is going to get unless War table is either split into 2 parts, or I continue what I'm doing and shorten "(with Trespasser DLC)" to (with Trespasser DLC) in the rewards section as well to further reduce the amount of words/characters being used. Thoughts? --Zj24 (talk) 20:30, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
Since the results are only viewable on the war table article, what if instead we just put something line a * or 1 next to the Trespasser rewards in place of the "with trespasser" and then at the top of each section on the war table we could put something like "X denotes reward with Trespasser"? --Kelcat Talk 20:49, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

That might be the route we have to go, I will experiment a bit in the rewards section further; as simply changing (with Trespasser DLC) to (with Trespasser DLC) reduces the amount of characters used from 60 to 19 and although 1 is shorter, that is still 12 characters in length. --Zj24 (talk) 22:01, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at Upon the Waking Sea on the war table article. I used †, which is usually for deceased characters but shows up better than *. For Joepshine and Leliana I put the symbol after the item name, and for Cullen I put it before the name. Not sure which looks better, or if there's a better solution. Kelcat Talk 07:50, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not really a fan of † but if we have to use it it looks better at the end then at the beginning. Before going that route we could change the results from (with Trespasser) to (Trespasser) and in the rewards section I could just delete (without Trespasser DLC) since that is what would be obtained regardless as well as shorten (with Trespasser DLC) to (with Trespasser). Those deletions would free up at least 29 characters per adviser, see An Offer from the Blades of Hessarian. Thoughts? --Zj24 (talk) 18:40, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good. I'm not a big fan of the symbol myself, to be honest. --Kelcat Talk 02:24, January 16, 2016 (UTC)
I'll start working on this sometime this week --Zj24 (talk) 02:24, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
Kelcat, I am made all of the adjustments but still no solution. While on the War table page, if you click edit on the left, then scroll to the bottom the entire page looks fine. But when you save it, it reverts back to the issue we are dealing with. I'm not sure where to go from here. No further shortening will make a substantial difference. Any recommendation? --Zj24 (talk) 23:11, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, let me see if I can scrounge up some help from others because nothing I've tried works either. --Kelcat Talk 05:54, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Bone Edit

Hey Kelcat, I am trying to make adjustments to Dragon Bone page but for some reason the page is stating it is locked. Can this be unlocked? --Zj24 (talk) 20:15, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I meant to lock it only to unregistered users because they kept removing acquisition details. You should be able to edit it now. --Kelcat Talk 20:28, January 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ok thank you, feel free to re-lock the page later today if need be.--Zj24 (talk) 20:33, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Schematics Edit

Hey Kelcat, I was wondering if I could arrange the schematics to be viewed the same was as they are found on the armor/weapon crafting menu, from best to worst, instead of how it is now from Tier 1 to 4? I find it rather annoying that I have to scroll to find what I am looking for. See Shield schematics. What do you think? --Zj24 (talk) 02:24, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

I don't really have a particular opinion one way or another as all of the fields can be manually sorted on the page. Perhaps bring it up on the talk pages and see what others think? --Kelcat Talk 05:53, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Valuables Edit

Hey Kelcat, the item Gold Ring (Inquisition) and [A Single Gold Ring] are one in the same. The Gold ring's descriptions is: A Single Gold Ring. Not sure if it would be best just to delete: [A Single Gold Ring] as that is not the actual item.--Zj24 (talk) 07:10, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and delete A Single Gold Ring. The thought had been that they were two separate assets in the game, but I can't find anything in-game to show that A Single Gold Ring actually exists in the game. Might have been removed before release. --Kelcat Talk 05:54, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Editing a page (Harvester fight) Edit

Good day! You asked me to participate in cleaning up the page about the Harvester fight. There are some problems though, maybe you can suggest something.

1) The page is a mess already, and it's pretty large. If I'll add something more, it will become even more puzzling. I'm kind of reluctant to remove parts of the existing content entirely, especially since: 2) I obviously didn't test this DLC with all available classes and builds. Some of the existing advice on the page may or may not be valid - I wouldn't know for sure. 3) The page has to be completely restructured. Is it even possible to add more than 1 level of headlines here?

--Paul 987 (talk) 19:30, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Heh, yeah the page is very much a mess. My hope was/is to have someone who's experienced enough with the fight to be able to at least weed out some of the stuff on the article that isn't of any help. The problem being that I've never beaten the Harvester myself so I can't say for sure what definitely doesn't work. If you don't know for sure either that's totally fine. I would love to see at least part of the page divided out into difficulties though, given that the strategies between playing on easy vs. hardcore are definitely different. There's also a lot on the talk page itself that I think may be useful to incorporate. So yeah, if you can think of anything you can add or remove from the article, that'd be great, but if not I think I'd definitely like to move at least some of what you and others have written on the talk page into the article itself.

You can add several layers of subheaders on articles. It's just a matter of using "=". So a sub within a sub within a header would look like this:

====Sub-Sub Header===
... and so on. --Kelcat Talk 05:54, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

I assume the only way is to edit the page directly (no temporary pages or something)? It looks like I'd better compose the article in some external editor and replace it all at once. When I have time, that is. As for the difficulty level, it's not necessarily that determinative here. It's more about builds and strategy (on the Easy difficulty it just doesn't matter - it took me about a minute to win when I tried).

What bugs me more about it is that the approach which worked for me might basically be an exploit. Using it simply turnes the 2nd phase into a cakewalk. On the other hand, without doing this the 2nd phase tends to deteriorate into unwinnable situation, particularly considering how weak the companions are, and how random/bugged the fight itself is. Unfortunately, the boss fights in this DLC are not as well designed as, say, the Rock Wraith one in DA2, so probably using some exploits is inevitable. Though I'm not even sure the tricks are identical on the different platforms. --Paul 987 (talk) 13:54, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

You can make a sandbox on the wiki in lieu of an external editor. Just create a new article and name it something like User:Paul 987/Sandbox. --Kelcat Talk 19:44, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Comic Issue News Posts Edit

It occured to me, should we do a news post each time they do a new issue or not? I can't remember if we did that for the other comic series -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 10:10, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

I honestly can't recall whether we did or not. Perhaps just have one and then update it every time a new issue comes out? --Kelcat Talk 22:36, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

avoid rivalry at the Blooming Rose? Edit

I know this may sound weird for my first message to you but Ive been playing these games for a while and your walkthroughs have helped me TONS (seriously, thanks SO MUCH for these they are WAY helpful! :D ) so I thought Id ask. I'm in Act 2 on Dragon Age 2 and in a romance with Anders and havent paid for any services at The Blooming Rose but if I do is there a way to avoid getting any rivalry, like going there alone or something or do you only get rivalry on your first visit in Act 1? a little curious and confused as the wiki page for the Blooming Rose isn't very clear on that specific scenario WizardRascal9 (talk) 04:30, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Character pages Edit

Hi! With all the edits and reverts and re-reverts that have been happening on multiple character pages, I've started a discussion on my talk page in the interests of avoiding edit warring. It could use some mod oversight/opinions, if you have a moment.  Magpieme talk | contribs   21:00, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hah, you have good timing! I'm writing up a response on your talk page now. --Kelcat Talk 21:01, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Portability and why it's importantEdit

Hello Kelcat!

I left a new forum thread moments ago regarding our conversion to the new Portable Infobox and why it's important. Not only it's it needed for current mobile traffic but the new markup allows us to update the template code internally for the constant changes in future technology, with the intent to avoid or at least reduce global conversion processes such as this later on. More importantly however, is the fact that the new Portable Infobox simply looks and works better on mobile devices and with the significant climb in mobile views just over the past two years, it is obvious that this trend will continue. Please read the thread and encourage your community to begin a discussion. Our original contact with your community back in August 2015 regarding this topic,unfortunately went unnoticed. We are excited about the conversions as well as the growth in mobile users and want to make sure your community is aware as well. Thank you!

Portability thread

Pinkachu@fandom (talk) 19:59, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Hey have you heard anything back about this yet?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 14:03, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Nothing beyond what's in the forum they posted. --Kelcat Talk 19:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your comment about the videosEdit

(1) As a matter of fact, I don't think any of my videos ended up being uploaded to the DA wiki. All I see on my profile page are links to youtube... Am I wrong?

(2) They aren't for personal use. I intend to link to these videos from the relevant strategy pages (such as Ogre (strategy), for example) as soon as I finish working on my page in a few days' time. If that's still not acceptable, I will change the format of the links into the youtube template, of course.

IN (talk) 15:01, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

I see your point. No problem, I will change the links to the youtube template format, then.
IN (talk) 19:59, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
IN (talk) 20:28, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Well, yes, that wasn't mentioned at all, to be honest. We have only discussed the use of a youtube template. Anyway, what is acceptable on a strategy page? Can I link to a youtube video without displaying its preview? I think it goes without saying that seeing a certain strategy in action is always much better than reading a rather vague description thereof.

IN (talk) 04:36, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Ugh. So, basically, it means I can only link to my profile page where these videos appear? Now, if it were a private video of nude girls jumping on a beach or some kind of advertisement, I would be very understanding of such measures, but really... Discussing specific gameplay strategies without making use of the videos is a needlessly harsh challenge for both a writer and a reader.
All right, I realize that debating it won't change a thing, so here's a very concrete question instead: if I add a link to my profile page without explicitly mentioning the video part, along the lines of 'a fuller discussion of this strategy may be found here', will it break any rules?
IN (talk) 05:06, February 11, 2016 (UTC)
Ah, well... Both Archery (strategy) (formerly, 'Archery: an efficient approach') and Tank, especially the former, were written by me back in the day (early/mid-2010, I think). I suppose both have evolved and mutated somewhat over the years I wasn't active (though Archery was very detailed back then, and even featured a concise Spirit Warrior archery section for the Awakening), but it was funny to see you mention these two pages specifically.
So, your suggestion is to create a separate 'Solo strategies' page? While I'm not opposed to the idea in principle, there is a question of consistency. Many (if not most) of the strategy pages do feature solo strategy sections written by someone else (e. g., Ogre (strategy)). Is that somehow radically different from my contributions? Should I publish those strategies on the hypothetical 'Solo strategies' page alongside my own? You see the dilemma, I hope.
I think I'd rather revert the changes I've made to the strategy pages, maybe leaving short notes wherever appropriate (Ser Cauthrien, etc.). To be sincere, that's way too much headache and time/effort investment for my current schedule, so I'll pass :(
IN (talk) 05:47, February 11, 2016 (UTC)
Another thing I forgot to mention: I agree that solo runs by themselves are not so common that they should warrant a detailed write-up on every strategy page. However, I think it's universally understood that any solo strategy can be easily adapted for a party format (it doesn't work vice versa, but party is always > solo, so if you pull it off alone, a party can easily do it the same way). In other words, literally any solo strategy advice will work for a party at least just as well (probably better).
IN (talk) 11:31, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Mount Icons Edit

Ok now I can't get the mount icons to show up on the icon section. You don't know how to get it to display proper do you? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 07:55, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

You mean to display properly on the articles? The horse one worked when I just tried it on Taslin Strider. The other icons might need to be perfectly square to work properly. --Kelcat Talk 08:00, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
Weird that's exactly what I did. Can you give the dracolisk and hart ones a shot?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 08:05, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see what happened. I forgot to fix the transformer type on some of the mounts. They need to use the item transformer rather than the creature one as that's the only way I could get the prices to show up right.
I fixed Hunter Shade Dracolisk and Red Hart; the only other ones I may have missed would be ones that can't be purchased. --Kelcat Talk 08:18, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
Oh ok so i'll have to change the transformer type on each of the mount articles. Btw there's no icon for the nuggalopes because you never buy any of them from the store. Or if there is its somewhere it'll need to be datamined out and i can't get to it

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 08:23, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Most of the articles should be correct, but yeah you'll have to change the ones that aren't. I'd say for the nuggalope articles we can probably leave them as creature transformers since they don't have a purchase price or icon. --Kelcat Talk 09:03, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism reportEdit

I'd like to report User: has been re-editing the Ferelden page with very inappropriate content and no matter how many times I undo it they just keep doing the same thing over and over again. Could you please help deal with this? --MarkRulez711 (talk) 13:43, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing, thanks for letting me know! --Kelcat Talk 19:46, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Another vandalism report for you, Kelcat. User Dickbee ( has vandalized the Dorian page by replacing some of the text with symbols. Their changes have been reverted, but I remember seeing this member vandalizing other pages, so I think a time-out might be appropriate. Thanks.

P.s. How do I add links to pages here? Clicking on the URL tag just adds []. --Gulfwulf (talk) 18:34, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, looks like Loleil already took care of it. You have to use double brackets when linking to an article, and then just the article name rather than the web link. So for example [[Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts]] becomes Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts (without the nowiki tags on each end). --Kelcat Talk 00:33, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, I saw that Loleil already took care of it, but I couldn't see a reason to remove my comment. :) Thanks again.
--Gulfwulf (talk) 04:22, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
No worries! Admins don't always catch this stuff, so letting us know is always appreciated Smiley --Kelcat Talk 04:43, April 12, 2016 (UTC)

Back-and-forth deletion of admin's messageEdit

Hey, remember Virrac (talk)? The one who has a history of constantly adding the City Elf category to Ameridan's article? Well now he's been removing removing one of your messages from his talk page again. Whenever someone undoes it, he keeps deleting it anyway. Think you have time to review this? --MarkRulez711 (talk) 20:12, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. I don't really have a problem with users deleting content from their own talk pages, and we don't have any policy against it here. My goal is to have the user read the comments I leave and by deleting the comment I know Virrac has read and acknowledged my warning. It's in the edit history if it's ever needed, but if a user isn't comfortable or is embarrassed by having admin warnings on their talk page I'm okay with that. --Kelcat Talk 20:51, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags Edit

Hello.. Your spoiler tags are not working right now. Do you know why? --Macho man is here 09:18, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Confirmed for me, for example at Emprise du Lion and Your Trainer, in their Involvement sections. Hidden text is revealed, no toggle. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.112 Safari/537.36 DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:23, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
I believe we had this happen once before when wikia did some kind of system update, which they also appear to have done last night/early this morning. Hopefully it should fix itself in the next day or two, if not we can contact wikia about it. --Kelcat Talk 04:34, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
I think Tiere deleted the imported java script, here.. Need to contact him maybe? --Macho man is here 05:55, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
I'm getting this too.

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 07:57, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Do you know if any progress has been made on fixing this?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 06:07, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Tierrie got it fixed. It's working for me now. --Kelcat Talk 03:47, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
Ditto. DaBarkspawn (talk) 04:13, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

__FLAGS__ Edit

In addition to the spoiler tags error, I am now seeing
on the top of pages. I thought it was just some errant thing when I first saw on Key to the City, but it has shown up on Gifts (Awakening) also. Where I work, the phrase we use is that "We don't want to do an update that will break existing content." I am guessing Wikia does not feel the same way. DaBarkspawn (talk) 01:45, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
That one I know comes from a few weeks back when they changed our flag functions back to the way it used to be. I've only seen a few of those show up, most seemed to have converted correctly, so if you see any of those in the future, just delete it.
I'm still looking into the spoiler tags. It's definitely nothing we did on our end, so I'm thinking wikia fragged up their update that they did on the 26th. --Kelcat Talk 03:08, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good, will delete if I see one. DaBarkspawn (talk) 03:27, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Kelcat/DeBarkspawn, the bot reversions worked as long as there were no follow-on edits. Otherwise, it'd just leave the FLAG indication behind. I recommend restoring the links or undoing the bot's change manually, rather than deleting the erroneous header, since the references still exist and valid. I did a couple of them that I ran across last week.--BlueOtter (talk) 08:46, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Up to Kelcat. I think the only ones I deleted were the two I mention above. DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:19, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I finally figured that out, but I wasn't sure the cause of it. For the couple I've fixed I made sure to go back through the edit history and restore the removed flags. I wish there was a way to do a query to pull all the affected articles, but it looks like we'll just have to fix them as we find them. Thank you for helping with this! --Kelcat Talk 20:48, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
I undid my edit at Approval, but now __FLAGS__ shows up again... DaBarkspawn (talk) 23:57, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
I went in and manually added the correct flag based off of the wikia bot edit on July 7, 2015, so it should be all good. --Kelcat Talk 04:25, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Gordon Blackwall? Edit

Hey Kelcat, the Gordon Blackwall page needs to be renamed to Warden Blackwall. Also, all of the Gordon references need to be changed to Warden, but I can take care of those if necessary. Thanks.--Gulfwulf (talk) 18:39, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Gordon Blackwall is actually the character' full name. There's a reference for it in the beginning paragraph in the article--World of Thedas Vol. 2 pg 234. There's been much discussion on the talk page (Talk:Gordon Blackwall) and consensus was to use the full name in the article title. --Kelcat Talk 04:21, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

thank you very much for responding, so i just have to make a topic and say what exactly ?? you see I KNOW those words don't exist in the dragon age series elvish vocabulary but i need them very much and I CAN makeup words myself but how do i know it wont be wrong or something... you know someone who can help me with DA elvish ? or just what should i ask and such? im terribly sorry for your time and grateful for your help.

--Maxsc (talk) 22:17, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Search Bar Error Edit

Hey I just logged in and the search bar disappears as soon as I log in. Do you know if this is this just me or is this happening to others as well?

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 12:23, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I see it and I am logged in. On long pages, it now annoying floats with the scroll bar. DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:27, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

User:LoretaLonkinson Edit

Hi there Kelcat, the user I've mentioned in the title section has begun an edit war on Morrigan's and Anora's page. They keep adding Kieran as determinant, despite the fact I've explained via summary that Morrigan's always his mother, for Anora they keep labelling her a consort when nothing in the game suggested that, they've also taken the liberty to call myself a 'retard' (talk) 15:58, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into it and address the other user, but in the future, please don't participate in the edit wars yourself. Use the article talk pages to have discussions rather than the edit summaries. --Kelcat Talk 18:24, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Skype Edit

Hey Kelcat! Can you poke me on skype? There is something I discussed with HD3 and I wanted to share it with you too. Thanks! Viktoria Landers 14:59, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

Just as a third party view, I find it weird and awkward that people feel the need to discuss the wiki outside of the wiki itself. It certainly gives rise to the feeling that this isn't truly a community effort, that there is some sort of Star Chamber in action. DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:16, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
Excuse me, what? You are joking, aren't you? You are not realistically saying that it is weird and awkward for someone to have a private conversation with another member of this wiki..?
And to satisfy your quirky and invasive message, I can tell you that it does not involve this wiki, but rather Viktoria Landers 15:58, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
No, I wasn't joking because you aren't having a private conversation with another member of this wiki, you are having a conversation in front of every single person who ever contributed to this page, each and every one of which got an email about your wanting to have an offline conversation. It is weird and awkward because it is like handing out invitations in front of people who aren't invited. Skype does allow for offline messaging, you know. You could have fired up Skype, left Kelcat a message and no one else would have any idea. But you *chose* to put a message on *this wiki* about it and yes, that decision is weird and awkward. As for what the conversation is actually about, I could care less. I'm just asking you not to be so rude about it, sorry if that seems "intrusive". DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:33, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Viktoria! I probably won't be able to get onto skype until later tonight, but I'll check in with you then or tomorrow.
Dabarkspawn - Viktoria knows I don't actually access skype unless someone specifically asks me to, so I would have no idea if she left me an offline message, hence her contacting me on my talk page here. There's nothing wrong with two wiki users having a private conversation on skype or any other im services, so I'm not sure why you have an issue with it. We're definitely a community, but that doesn't mean we can't talk with each other elsewhere Smiley --Kelcat Talk 19:45, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, you've still not visited me on skype! Also I wanted to report that the youtube extension is not working properly. Example. Viktoria Landers 07:22, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
Hey! Sorry about that, my computer use has been pretty sporadic so I haven't had a chance to be on for a dedicated amount of time. I'll try to be on this weekend, if I can. --Kelcat Talk 04:02, August 5, 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags acting up again Edit

Hey the spoilers are doing that thing where they auto display everything again. Just a heads up! -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 13:55, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

New Gallery Style Edit

Hey what is your opinion on the new gallery thumbnail style? -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 12:30, September 3, 2016 (UTC)

I think it looks great! It's nice having a uniform size and shape for all the images in the galleries. --Kelcat Talk 18:05, September 3, 2016 (UTC)

Edit diff CSS borked on Monobook Edit

Hi Kelcat, I just noticed that since today, the edit diff formatting is borked on Monobook skin. Specifically, the background for the changed paragraphs is undefined, resulting in black text on black background. I don't see any recent edits to our CSS pages, so it must be Wikia's doing, and since Wikia no longer gives a crap about supporting Monobook, I suspect we'll have to deal with it ourselves if it doesn't go back to normal on its own soon. Should I look into it? In that case, I'll need a sysop to actually make the CSS changes for me. --Koveras Alvane (talk) 19:29, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Sure! If you can figure out the issue and let me know what to do, I can make the changes. --Kelcat Talk 03:31, September 7, 2016 (UTC)
Hi, sorry for the wait, but I think I've figured it out. Basically, what seems to have happened is that Wikia has removed background colors from the diff boxes: Wikis that use standard Monobook with white overall background didn't notice it, but it breaks with a custom black overall theme like hours. What has to be done is going to MediaWiki:Monobook.css and replacing this line:
td.diff-deletedline, td.diff-addedline { color: rgb(0,0,0); }
...with this one:
td.diff-deletedline, td.diff-addedline { color: rgb(0,0,0); background: rgb(255,255,255); }
Note that "rgb(255,255,255)" would only add a bog-standard white background to the diff boxes, which looks kinda crappy, but I couldn't pick a good color scheme if my life depended on it. In other words, if you want the boxes to mesh better with the overall theme, please ask someone with designer sensibilities to pick a good RGB value. --Koveras Alvane (talk) 06:00, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I made the changes--double check to make sure it looks like it should now. I don't use monobook so I'm not familiar with it. Would the rgb from this or this work, or are they too dark? --Kelcat Talk 23:14, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, that looks good. About the images, I am not sold on either, primarily because they have texture, which would make the text harder to read. Since the diff display is just for technical use anyway, I think we can just leave it with white background. Also, while we are on the topic, I also noticed that the current diff display on Monobook makes context paragraphs almost unreadable. Can you replace this line (just above the one you changed earlier):
td.diff-context { background: rgb(64,64,64); }
...with this one:
td.diff-context { color: rgb(208,208,208); background: rgb(64,64,64); }
It should change the color of the text (currently dark grey on dark grey) to white (the same shade used in the article texts in Monobook) on dark grey. Thanks! --Koveras Alvane (talk) 08:37, September 10, 2016 (UTC)
Done! Let me know if you need anything else. --Kelcat Talk 01:49, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much! This should be it for now, provided Wikia doesn't change stuff without warning again. :-) --Koveras Alvane (talk) 06:29, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Spam blog Edit

Hi. How does one assign a new blog as spam so that it could be removed by an admin? CompleCCity (talk) 07:35, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you can add the {{Delete}} tag to personal blogs, so I appreciate you letting me know. I'll go take care of it. --Kelcat Talk 08:03, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, saw your answer just today… Yep, seems so. No "Edit"-button on the page, and on Special:RecentChanges I can't find the blog. (But it appears as that had not been the contributor's first try: "2016-10-15 17:59:42 (Deletion log) . . Loleil (Talk | contribs) deleted page How online writing service help physically challenged students to write their paper? ‎(Vandalism)" Icon wink ). Perhaps via his Special:Contributions – don't know if I had looked there… Anyway, thanks for the deletion, thanks for the appreciation. Smiley CompleCCity (talk) 04:37, October 20, 2016 (UTC)
Sure thing! Smiley --Kelcat Talk 05:08, October 20, 2016 (UTC)

Need Help Replicating some of your wondrous Templates Edit

Hello! I’m a Bureaucrat on the Lightbringer Series Wiki, & I had someone request that I make a template that could hide content with Spoilers. Now, I’m decent with templates, but I’m not great, so I thought to co-opt some of yours like those on the Flemeth page & elsewhere. Problem is though, that when I went to the Template Page, I couldn’t just copy-paste & then configure because it didn’t work quite right on my Wiki.

So, I was wondering if someone could help me to replicate them on my Wiki? I just want to be able to hide spoilers so that it doesn’t ruin the books for new readers :)

~Ursuul 06:25, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Hey! I'm not super-savvy about creating templates from scratch, but for the spoiler templates I believe you also have to create the main template first and then any "specialized" spoiler templates after that. --Kelcat Talk 19:12, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Another question for an admin Edit

Should a newly created user, whose only contribution was spam/vandalism, not be banned?
On the other hand I don't understand why you protected that forum thread after only a single… um… spam contribution. (And is there somewhere a guideline that explains, adding a simple "Hello" as answer to a forum topic isn't allowed? I was looking for that…) CompleCCity (talk) 13:17, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, there! I personally don't typically block someone for a single minor act of vandalism or spam because I try not to be too heavy-handed about blocking. I'll keep an eye on that user, just in case, though.
The forum you mention was over 6 years old and all archived forums have at the top a message saying "Note: This topic has been unedited for XX days. It is considered archived - the discussion is over. Do not continue it unless it really needs a response." It was an old, old topic that didn't need to be necro'd so I just went ahead and locked it. --Kelcat Talk 19:12, November 5, 2016 (UTC)
Ah, yes, wasn't aware of that archived-thing…
I know of another wiki, where each contributor, even IPs are blocked for at least a day after every single vandalism. (And you did this now for a month! Icon wink ) If somebody creates an account only to insert gibberish (love this word Smiley ) I take this for pure provocation and would immediately block the user, and not only for a day. My opinion.
Btw, noticed my comment on the Elven language talk? Did I miss something? Am I wrong? (Not really familiar with that matter…) CompleCCity (talk) 12:46, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
I did not notice that, sorry! I'll go comment on it now. Smiley --Kelcat Talk 01:49, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up behind me… *whistle* Always thought, talk pages are automatically moved when their parent is renamed, but it appears as I should check the check boxes a little bit better next time. Oh, and there's still one page left that links to Lion of Orlais, without "The", where I absolutely couldn't find the link: Dragon Age Wiki:Project Kinloch Hold/Shields (Dragon Age II). Perhaps you'll give it a look. Smiley CompleCCity (talk) 15:05, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Heh, no problem! I try to check [1] and [2] every week or so to keep things clean. No idea why you have to manually select renaming the talk page of the article since I can't imagine a situation where you wouldn't want to, but that's wikia for you Icon wink I saw that page, too, and can't for the life of me figure out why it's on the list. I don't think it's a huge deal to leave it since it's a very old project page. --Kelcat Talk 00:22, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Unreadable Diffs Edit

Did Wikia make some sort of style change again? On my monitor, the diffs show up as black text on a black background. :(

Here's an example:


Diff text black on back.

DaBarkspawn (talk) 03:40, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

They must have because it's the same for me. It was super good looking for a little while when they made the change, now it's pretty much unreadable D: I'm hoping it's a temporary thing and it'll go back, because we haven't made any changes on our end. --Kelcat Talk 03:46, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Can we file a bug or a report or something? Glad to know it isn't just me, though. DaBarkspawn (talk) 03:50, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is any kind of bug report, but you might want to check out one of the contacts here and see if any of them are helpful. --Kelcat Talk 00:22, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
See here DaBarkspawn (talk) 00:51, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
Damn, CSS and I do not get along lol. I'll try to see if Loleil can check it out, I think she's got more experience with it than I do. --Kelcat Talk 01:41, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not a fan of CSS, either, or I'd volunteer to dive in. DaBarkspawn (talk) 02:00, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you were on the money Kelcat. Perhaps the cache just hadn't had a chance to update yet. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 04:02, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

It looks fixed as of this diff, thanks! DaBarkspawn (talk) 06:02, December 7, 2016 (UTC)
Ahh, I should have remembered to do a hard refresh after the edit. At least my old lady eyes can see the edits now! Icon wink --Kelcat Talk 23:18, December 7, 2016 (UTC)


Hi there! Following this discussion, I'm unsure whether my removal and the subsequent comment on the contributor's talk page were justified… What's your opinion? CompleCCity (talk) 06:02, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

As the one who weighed in on Kaltenzahn, I think your Aodh removal is fine because the connection between axe, wood and fire is much more remote than the dragon name, that is, it lacks the "special significance" of the guideline. DaBarkspawn (talk) 07:22, December 19, 2016 (UTC)
Yep, I agree totally. Also, the use of "apt" is objective wording, especially since the background of the weapon doesn't really highlight "fire". --Kelcat Talk 08:06, December 19, 2016 (UTC)
I think, you rather meant "subjective" Icon wink Yes, it's not the background, but the weapon's DMG and resistances are fire related…
Anyway, thanks for reassuring me. CompleCCity (talk) 10:50, December 19, 2016 (UTC)
Dang it, I always get that word wrong Icon wink Kelcat Talk 11:19, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

Krem and SeraEdit

- the fact remains that this fictional character is identified as male.. The fact remains that "he" still has a female body, was born as a woman, pretending to be the opposite gender doesn't change what you are, so if I am fat but I pretend I am thin people should start saying I am thin? I think you have a problem with Reality that you need to fix.

-Sera is biologically an elf because her biological parents were both elves and that's how race such as elf, dwarf, qunari etc

So, you can talk about biology whenever you want, but you choose to ignore Krem having a vagina? if you are going to ignore biology on Krem you should ignore it on EVERYONE, don't be an hypocrite.

- Continuing to make changes such as the ones you are will be considered bad faith and may result in a temporary block.

"If you don't agree with my progressive bullshit I am going to ban you"

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, but the above has Sera wrong. Sera doesn't want to be something other than a biological elf, she rejects elven culture, history and religion. There is no canon reference to her wanting to human or dwarf or qunari, just a rejection of Solas' nostalgia. So, the case of Sera is completely different and an attempt to shoehorn her into the Krem discussion is inapt, there is no hypocrisy. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:24, December 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'll try to put it into as simple terms as I can. The creators of Inquisition, the developers and writers, have stated Krem is male. They have also stated that Sera is an elf. These are two facts that can't be changed regardless of our opinion of the matter. We don't have to agree with the choices the writers have made, but we do have to record those facts on the wiki. If you are truly upset with the decisions made by the writers, I suggest you contact them directly. The wiki always has and always will present factual data not opinion. --Kelcat Talk 22:05, December 29, 2016 (UTC)
You are right, sorry, if the developers says that a man can be a man in the Dragon age world even if he has a vagina instead of a penis then Krem is a man, I forgot that. They should establish that being a man or a woman is a feeling instead of something real and related to the biology.

Deletion Edit

Hello Kelcat

I was recently informed that you removed one of my post could you please give me a reason on why you did this. I was trying to share my lets play with this audience and this being a DA forum I thought some people might enjoy it. Also could you give me some tips on what I did wrong and how I might avoid this happening in the future.

Thank you PH

--PHKiNG92 (talk) 15:19, January 19, 2017 (UTC)

Huh, that's weird. It looked like a duplicate upload to me, once as a forum post and once as a mainpage article so I deleted the article one and now for some reason the correct forum post is also gone. Go ahead and add it back in (as a forum) and sorry for the confusion! --Kelcat Talk 20:04, January 19, 2017 (UTC)
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