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Welcome!

Hi, welcome to the Dragon Age Wiki! Thanks for joining! I hope that you will stick around and continue to help us improve the wiki. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- D-day (Talk) 05:55, 16 December 2012

Hello

Hello there! I am just letting you know that the Community Project you signed up for is now active! Please check here for more info. Also don't forget to join us in IRC, it's important!

Yours, Viktoria Landers 20:12, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Quick note

Hi, first off, thanks for all the work you've been doing. I just wanted to let you know that when pages are proposed for splits, merges, deletions etc., it is common practice to wait one week. Even though the talk page consensus was unanimous, the Watchers page still had a day to go. It's also a good idea to leave a note on the talk page when you've closed an open proposal. Thanks! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:28, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I'm from Australia too, but I apparently I forgot to count Icon wink. Thanks for adding the note! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 08:08, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Chat

Hey HD3, why don't you come from the chat a little, it's about A Tale of Orzammar. Viktoria Landers 15:08, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Character Images

Hey HD3. I noticed that you uploaded some character images a few minutes ago. I wanted to tell you that pictures of much better quality are being taken when you talking with the characters because of the camera focusing on them and not on the background.

A quick example would be:

Obviously you'll need to disable the dialogue showing on the top of the screen or instead use this mod to circumvent that. Viktoria Landers 09:38, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

News

Hey HD3, I hope you are doing great!

After I finally managed to have a discussion with Tierrie, I have added the download link of A Tale of Orzammar to the main page. However, I could use your help in petitioning him in adding a hyperlink on the |voice row in character profiles to this page. See you around! Viktoria Landers 21:33, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, HD3! I didn't manage to catch up with you in the chat. Have you thought at all about my idea? :-) Viktoria Landers 11:59, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Grand Cleric Elemena

After she talked (and the cutscenes ended), I opened up my journal and checked her name. However there is another way. I assign the fight with Loghain to an unrecruited character (console magic) so once the duel starts I am outside the fight and I can roam around the Landsmeet Chamber checking the names of all the participants ;) I hope this answers to your question. Viktoria Landers 15:42, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Rogueish Loghain

Hey, there. :)

Just here to say that I added the category as I believed young Loghain was indeed a rogue. In The Stolen Throne he wears a light armour and uses a bow. I suposse warriors can do those things as well, but still. :)

I started a talk page on Loghain, but no one answered. :) Henio0 (talk) 09:57, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

I can see why you would be inclined to that notion sure, but since the novels don't follow the same gameplay rules the actual games do i think it makes more sense to list him as the class we can confirm, as well as the one more people would probably know him from.-HD3 (talk) 10:13, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

A matter of outmost importance

HD3, please check a topic that I opened up in the Main Page. I'm pretty sure you'd be interested in replying. Thanks! Viktoria Landers 15:40, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I made a new reply to the topic offering an idea/suggestion. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Cheers! Viktoria Landers 11:00, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hello again! I just went all over your uploaded files in the wiki and added categories or licensing here and there. For future reference (in order to do it on your own next time), provided that you are interested of course, you can check these changes in Special:Contributions/Viktoria Landers. Take care! Viktoria Landers 09:18, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Harassment

I don't believe that anyone's response to an online discussions should be "lawyer up or go home", but, I can understand that people do over react when offended. However in this case, it reads like he over reacted to your comments. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. -- tierrie talk contr 19:50, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Removal of game names from location articles

Hi there. I have noticed that you rewrote a number of articles about Dragon Age II locations and removed mention of the game from the lead sections. I strongly disagree with these changes and think that they should be discussed first on the forum. Currently most of our leads follow the style "X is a Y in Z" (with the exception of lore articles), and I think that we should keep it. It's essential information that should be available without having to potentially scroll the page and look in the infobox. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 15:15, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

While i certainly would not support universal removal of the applicable game name from the lead-in, i do feel very strongly that holding such a policy as universal is both a questionable practice and in reality, something that has already been ignored to a considerable extent. A vast number of articles, character articles in particular, do not carry this style. I imagine due to issues similar to labeling an NPC such as Meredith as "the chief antagonist" in "dragon age 2" being an unmarked spoiler if nothing else.

While i certainly understand your concerns about wanting essential information easily locatable at the top of the article, given that the info box universally appears at the top of the article (usually immediately next to the lead in which outlines which game is relevant) mentioning the game seems largely redundant. The obvious exception of course being when the article's subject's role has shifted singificantly between installments. E.G Alistair being a companion in DA:O and only appearing as an npc in DA:2, would certainly warrant such a distinction in the lead-in rather than relying on the Appearances section of the info-box.

Perhaps maintaining the current lead-in style while extending the exception to character articles would be an effective solution? Anyway, given the weight of your concern i will not make any further such changes to any location articles until we've reached a consensus. -HD3 (talk) 01:57, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I moved the discussion to Forum:Game names in the lead sections to attract more opinions and answered you there. I hope you don't mind. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 08:10, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I actually try to avoid the forums as much as possible.-HD3 (talk) 08:23, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you can't change a site-wide policy via user talk page, it is usually done in the "Wiki discussion" subforum. Any consensus we reach will be just for the two of us. But I will oblige.

My reply to the previous message:

It is not really a policy, the closest we have is DA:LEAD that states:

The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, and explaining why the subject is interesting or notable.
Can you explain why mentioning the game is a questionable practice? I don't think that potential spoilers are a problem since "major character" instead of "the chief antagonist" would work just as well.

While the infobox appears next to the lead, the appearances row does not. For example, see Alistair. On my machine there is a distance of 1135 pixels from the top of the monitor to the row. A lot of people won't even see it until they scroll the page. And the infobox is meant to be redundant – it is a summary of the article after all. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 08:46, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well you can return the post to the forums if you feel it is going to be a significant contribution to our shared understanding of course.

To the issue at hand:

I feel it is a questionable policy because having to repeat ""X" is a character in "Y"" at the top of every page is both largely self evident and unnecessary. People are intelligent enough that they could work out that an article with a person's name is a character article without us having to explicitly state "X is a character in Dragon Age". So the only essential information contained in such a statement is which installment they appear in. That i agree with you should be clearly marked.

You cite the Alistair page as an example of how someone might be forced to scroll down to see the bottom of the infobox to know which installment they appear in. I'm not sure why expecting someone to scroll down slightly would be such a bad thing. But anyway, that's a moot point because in the overwhelming majority of articles the bottom of the infobox appears in the initial load of the page without having to scroll down at all. E.G Meredith and Elthina. Pages with infoboxes large enough that you must scroll down to see the appearance column are more an exception than a rule. All our affiliated wikias, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed etc, employ a similar policy regarding lead-ins for character articles E.G h http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Saren_Arterius, http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Bellamy.

-HD3 (talk) 10:36, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that we should say "is a character/location in X" every time. It can be "is the Knight-Commander of the Templars of Kirkwall during the events of X." or "is elven mage met during the quest Y in X". It also doesn't have to be in the very first sentence of the lead.

Even when the infobox is fully visible, the appearances are as far from the lead as it can be in the infobox. I believe that this information is so important that it should be among the first things visitor sees.

As far as I know, affiliation with wikis is purely for promotion purposes, it doesn't mean that we encourage their policies. I really like the UESP wiki style with separate namespaces for Lore and each game. Unfortunately, this is not allowed on the Wikia platform. I also like Fallout wiki style where the game is mentioned at the very top of the infobox but not in the lead: Moira, Bob. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 11:31, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't cite the other wikis as a way to try and prove we've fallen out of line with established policy. I only bring them up as an example because they follow a very similar article template without having to go so far as explicitly state the primary game/novel title in the lead-in. Yet they persist just fine and without complaint or confusion.

I agree certainly that the information is important enough to warrant mention near the head of the article and should be among the first thing people see. The problem is it already is among the first thing people see in most cases. They always look at the picture first and in most articles the "Appears in" section is about 3 centimeters/1 inch below that requiring no scrolling at all. It also saves us having to shoe horn a mention of the games title into a lead in which would otherwise be in-world decryption.

I agree the Fallout wiki style's solution would solve all our problems certainly, but that's outside my abilities so I am afraid we'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable about such things.

Since we both seem to agree that this information is important enough that it should be clearly marked at the head of the article, the issue seems to be about to what extent to make it explicit. I would contend that a section of the readily available portion of the article designated for quick and easy reference is probably enough in most cases. Since you seem to feel so strongly about the need for an accompanying phrase, i must concede we should probably open this to a wider discussion.-HD3 (talk) 12:11, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it appears we reached a stalemate. I restored the forum discussion – Forum:Game names in the lead sections.– mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 12:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Decimus

Hi again. I didn't remove the spoiler tag from the background section as it wasn't there to begin with :) This is the page before my edit – http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Decimus?oldid=495456mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 16:44, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

So you didn't remove the mention of the starkhaven circle's loss or cover it under the spoiler tag...?-HD3 (talk) 16:46, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I split one spoiler into two and did nothing else. I didn't edit text and I didn't change what text is covered by spoilers. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 17:04, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

MotA maps

Hey. I uploaded a map from the game textures on the Dungeons page. The only problem is it's semi-transparent, so it looks ugly with the default gradient background of the wiki. I'll experiment with the styling and upload the rest of the maps later. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 10:04, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

At the very least we can use them as placeholders until we get better quality images.-HD3 (talk) 10:05, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
I think the pictures themselves are as high quality as you can get. The problem is with the thumbnails. You can see that if click on a thuhmbnail and view the full image. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 10:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I meant it might be better if we could get in game images of the maps rather than using second hand ones produced by other sites. Partly for legal reasons and partly because they're sometimes cluttered with unexplained markers.-HD3 (talk) 10:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think there is some misunderstanding here. The file I uploaded is a texture that I personally extracted from the game files. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 10:29, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
Oh i see. You're right i completely misunderstood. If you're doing that, you might want to consider broadening your scope. There is a huge number of location articles, for Dragon age II in particular which lack map images. Even just the semi-transparent image would be a big improvement.-HD3 (talk) 10:32, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

part of civil war

I consider Howe's asslaut on Highiver as a part of the Fereldan Civil War and I started this topic on it's talk page. However I need to discuss it with others before I extend the article, so I invite you to discuss, if you're interested.78.8.10.229 (talk) 17:54, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Deceased

There's no way to put in hidden categories on the wiki. Plus, I wouldn't recommend putting "Deceased" as a category. The story line currently takes place within the same time frame, but, as we enter the 3rd game, we're no longer sure who dies or who does not. Additionally, certain characters may die depending on player's choice. So the deceased state is also relative to each player's playthrough. In summary, I'd leave off marking certain characters as Deceased. -- tierrie talk contr 05:55, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Bodahn and Sandal

Here are the stuff, if anything else is needed let me know.

Bodahn's Goods:

Roughwork Bound Staff
Enchanted Staff
Boots
Dalish Belt (+3 health)
Belt (+9 attack)
×4 Health Potion
×2 Lyrium Potion
×3 Stamina Draught
×2 Injury Kit
This store is only the one in Hightown, not the Deep Roads one.

Sandal's Store:

1st version
Mace (+45 health)
Carved Wooden Staff (+17% fire damage)
Superior Helmet (4% physical damage)
Superior Boots (+2 mana/stamina regeneration, +6% fire damage)
Ring (+3% physical damage)
Ornate Rogue's Ring (+23 defense)
×15 Health Potion
×5 Lyrium Potion
×6 Stamina Draught
×3 Injury Kit

2nd version
Gives you nothing else but the potions, draught and kit mentioned above.

Bodahn's Goods (in the Deep Roads):
Dagger
Dagger (a weaker one)
Blade of Calling (appears only on a presumably much higher level, and on first occasion it was a sword with damage bonus, then it's a mere dagger - I don't know where to put it)
Wooden Staff (also appears on a higher level)
Circle Weavers - Minor
Asabas-Saar Eva (helmet on higher level)
Andraste's Grace (+5% healing to this character)
Ring (+2 mana/stamina regeneration)
Twisted Amulet (+21 stamina, on higher level)
Ring of Minor Cantrips (+5% fire damage, on higher level)
×4 Health Potion
×2 Lyrium Potion
×3 Stamina Draught
×2 Injury Kit

Not sure from which point do the "higher level" items appear, I went once as a level 2, then twice as a level 50, which is quite the difference. Nothing changes when you level up on the spot.
Also signing, since I forgot to do that the last time. --Margerard (talk) 04:27, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hey!

Hey HD3! I hope you're doing great!

You recently uploaded three images in your user page which however lack proper licensing. As I wasn't sure which is the appropriate license for them, I added the No license template. However you can remove that and add the appropriate license. A list of licenses can be found here.

I also need your help to verify a claim as I cannot access DA2. In the page, it says that Nuncio Caldera Lanos is a noble. Is that true? Viktoria Landers 13:10, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

That's alright. And thanks for your help with Nuncio! Not sure why you put a spoiler template though xD Oh and you can reply in your talk page next time in order to keep the conversation in one place ;-) Viktoria Landers 09:29, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

You left me some messages in the chat, which however I didn't get a chance to answer back. You can always try to privately contact me via e-mail too ;-) Viktoria Landers 15:43, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have your e-mail. There's no need anyway, it's not exceptionally important. It can wait.-HD3 (talk) 15:46, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

re: Equipment Images

There we go, brighter and closer! I took some with Sigrun in the splintmail armor too, which is lighter in color, but I think she wound up looking better with her default armor. Kelcat (talk) 03:50, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that's much better. You might want to try croping the images a little smaller, ideally you want something about the size of something like Heirsplitter-HD3 (talk) 04:43, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hey

Hey HD3, I replied in your recent message which you posted in my talk page. Cheers! Viktoria Landers 13:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Also, could you take care of this page? It needs a bit of love too :( Viktoria Landers 12:30, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Huh, I thought it was missing some vital information. Anyway, HD3 I'm still waiting for that link on the forum discussion. I also tried to catch you a few times in the chat, but you quit very soon after you join :( Viktoria Landers 14:44, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Game_names_in_the_lead_sections?t=20130706070707

Here's the discussion. I warn you, it's very long and rambling and goes off topic several times.-HD3 (talk) 04:43, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Images

Hey! Great work on all the recent image uploads. I just wanted to ask that you add the appropriate categories and licensing when you upload them. Thanks! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:19, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Quite right, my mistake sorry. I'll rectify this at once.-HD3 (talk) 06:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
No problems Smiley. I've added them to your recent uploads so you don't have to worry about those. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 06:49, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Oh well thanks very much. I'll remember to add these in the future.-HD3 (talk) 06:55, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

As I promised

I'm letting you know of which articles I supplied with new pictures:
Mask of the Imperium
Helm of the Messenger
Dusty Traveler's Hood
Dusty Traveler's Slippers
Dusty Traveler's Armguards
Basic Longbow
Lineage
I'll see to it later if I can take area pictures in Hightown. --Margerard 16:47, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

De Launcet family

I think Elsa provides some information about the De Launcet family. Unfortunately I do not own a copy to check it out myself. Perhaps some extra info can be retrieved when first entering Chateau Haine's courtyard as a character there talks about the two De Launcet sisters. Viktoria Landers 12:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Eh, i am not even totally convinced the de launcet family really warrant their own page to be honest.-HD3 (talk) 12:51, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

But if you want to spend your time on it,

  • Elsa states that they have not seen Emile since he was a child.
  • The de Launcet came to the Free Marches over three decades ago.

Mark of the Assassin

  • Dulci de Launcet said something Isolde found "horrible"
  • Elegant says not to make eye contact with either daughter
  • Babbete de Launcet mocks Bann Perrin over the knickers incident in Leiliana's Song
  • Fifi mocks Hawke for having to work for a living
  • Babbete insults her sister, saying that dressing like a turnip would be a step up for her.

That's about it. There's very little information which is why i question the whole endeavor. -HD3 (talk) 13:13, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Also, how do you not have a copy of Dragon Age 2? -HD3 (talk) 13:20, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll see what kind of info we can extract and inject into the article. As for DA2, I have played it in an internet cafe, never purchased a copy for my PC. Though I plan to do so soon. Viktoria Landers 19:53, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't Leandra also meant to marry the Comte de Launcet before leaving Kirkwall with Malcolm? I remember Gamlen saying that and Bethany mentions it when Hawke gives her that painting of Leandra. Welshman15 (talk) 14:18, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that is already covered on one of the character pages.-HD3 (talk) 14:22, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Golems of Amgarrak

Is there anything else you'd think that needs to be further checked in this DLC? I'm considering to make a walkthrough. Also I'm sorry for undoing your edit in Hower's page, I wasn't aware of the talk page discusion. Viktoria Landers 18:39, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Back Alley (Dragon Age II)

I've done some tweaks at your request about the Golems of Amgarrak pages you recently added. In Dragon Age II, Dougal Gavorn's encounter is made in a Kirkwall's alley named Back Alley, a name shared by an Origins location too. Could you write a page about it? Viktoria Landers 15:01, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I forgot to ask before you left, if you're still interested in this. Viktoria Landers 11:49, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
Well I can write up the page but I don't have DA2 installed so I don't know how much of the information I could add. I could try and work off videos of the quest on DA2 on youtube but that would be it. So for all those reasons I think it might be better if someone with access to a working copy of DA2 should do it. Also i replied to your comment about the Brosca Family on the article's talk page. -HD3 Sig 04:53, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Bonny Lem

Hey! You added a {{stub}} note to Bonny Lem awhile back. What info is still missing that needs to be added? Kelcat (talk) 17:59, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Chat

Sorry, I wasn't here when you tried to contact me. Was it something important? If so, you can let me know either here or I also have my e-mail linked to my account. --Margerard 08:28, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

DA2 pics

HD3, I need pictures of two locations in DA2. Are you interested?! Viktoria Landers 00:38, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help you I am afraid.-HD3 Sig

Recent image uploads

Hey HD3, I just wanted to thank you for all the great images you've been uploading recently, and make a request that you create a == Licensing == section with a {{Bioware image}} tag on any future images. Thanks again. Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   11:33, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to add here, that an appropriate image category should also be added to the file. *poofs* Viktoria Landers 14:46, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
I knew there was a reason I thought uploading the images felt too quick. Sorry, it's been a while since I did this. I'll get back into good habits and resume tagging everything properly.-HD3 Sig 01:32, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Deepstalker runner

I was thinking to write a page about deepstalker runners, but I have no idea where one encounters them. Any ideas? :P Viktoria Landers 17:51, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

I had completely forgotten they existed until I looked up the Deepstalkers just now. If they're Deepstalkers though it's probably a safe bet that they're in the Deep Roads. So start from orzammar and just wander the deep roads until you find one. Failing that, you could try when you investigate the deep roads running under Vigil's Keep in awakening. Those I think would be the places most likely to encounter them. Make sure you grab an image and try to figure out what abilities they use. I'd expect it will be the same abilities as the other deepstalkers. Good Luck. -HD3 Sig 23:55, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Lookin' good

Loving all the new images you’ve added, they look awesome :D I’m so glad you got to the acquisition of the Awakening codexes (codices? whatever) -- they've been missing for ages and I've been too distracted by shiny new games to start new DA:O playthroughs. --Kelcat (talk) 23:26, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Kelcat, I'm glad you think so. The images we needed for DA2 was one thing I really wanted to get sorted out. I'm just sorry I didn't have the information on hand to finish the last couple of Awakening codex entries. I'll have to leave that task in someone else's capable hands alas.-HD3 Sig 01:50, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Wounded Coast icon

Hey there! All icons should be square shaped because otherwise they break things. Could you upload a square version of File:Wounded Coast Icon.png? Thanks! Viktoria Landers 10:22, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

huh? it is square.-HD3 Sig 10:28, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Allright I've uploaded a better quality image.-HD3 Sig 11:21, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Done. Viktoria Landers 11:53, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Uploaded image names

Hey! Do you know if there is a way to rename uploaded images? Ones like this could really use an easier and more identifiable name, but I don't see a rename option in the edit dropdown. --Kelcat (talk) 07:14, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure there must be. I'm afraid I don't know it though, you might have to ask KC or someone else though. In the interim just save the image and re-upload it under an intelligible file name I guess and we can delete that one later.-HD3 Sig 08:41, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Quotes Final Wording

Hi, they all look good to me Smiley You may have noticed that Vikki posted in the thread discussing this, but go ahead and add them to the guidelines for now. I think we can count the numbers issue as something relatively minor which can be edited if opinion changes later. Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   19:05, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Quotes

Just a heads up that I'm starting on the Origins characters first, using [[Category:Dragon Age: Origins characters]]. Only 328 in this category! ;) --Kelcat (talk) 23:21, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Initial statistics

I see I overlooked Soldier and Tower Guard when updating initial statistics. Are there any other pages that I missed? – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 16:07, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Quotes

Hey there! I think Anders has major enough roles in both Awakening and DA2 that he warrants several quotes for each game, rather than just 4 in DA2. Maybe it would be best to allow 8 quotes for each game where the character is a companion, especially with the upcoming DA:I where Varric will have as major a role as he does in DA2. Otherwise it's kind of hard to weigh which game would qualify for the most quotes if they have equally sizable roles in each. Thoughts? --Kelcat (talk) 00:24, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

If they're full companions in multiple games then sure. I didn't think we were considering any other approach for that scenario. Pursuant to the guidelines about notability etc etc of course. -HD3 Sig 03:45, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Good deal. I'm going to restore a couple of his DA2 quotes, as I think they're fitting. Other than that, I'm pretty sure all the character pages have been cleaned up. I marked all the edit summaries, in case someone thinks quotes I removed are better than ones I kept. --Kelcat (talk) 05:49, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Good good. Keep up the good work, let me know how it's going or if there any queries.-HD3 Sig 13:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Grey Wardens at the prison

Hey there. I just read your correction to the Seekers about Legacy. When I played it last it was Act 1 and with the latest patch, and Cassandra says they were actually at the site of the prison, and it was destroyed, and the Grey Wardens who were there didn't mention Larius/Janeka. Do you know if she says something different (like that the Wardens wouldn't let them enter) depending on the Act it's played at, or in the unpatched version?

Thanks. Henio0 (talk) 08:20, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I was playing in act 3 with the latest patch. I know at the start Cassandra says the seekers tried to survey the area but the grey wardens sent them away. I do remember her saying the wardens didn't mention larius (or janeka if you went with her) but I don't know regarding the rest of it sorry. -HD3 Sig 08:25, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I might play through Legacy again in a different act to see if she says the same thing she did in act 1. Thanks :) Henio0 (talk) 08:27, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

No problem, let me know how it goes. -HD3 Sig 08:30, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

In fact, I just searched for a video, and here Cassandra says nothing about the Wardens not being cooperative. Are you sure you got that right? Henio0 (talk) 08:36, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely. [1] about 0:32 seconds in. I got the same line about the wardens when i played through as well.-HD3 Sig 08:42, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, you mean the intro, not the outro. I believe she is referring to Chantry as an organisation, not the Seekers, before the events of Legacy. The Chantry wanted to know what the Wardens were hiding, but the Wardens wouldn't tell them. Then Legacy happened, Corypheus was freed and the prison destroyed. THEN the Seekers arrived there, and Wardens cooperated with them then. Henio0 (talk) 08:50, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Possibly, "turned away by the Grey Wardens" sounds (at least to me) a lot like its tied to a geographical locale. You get "turned away" from the club because you don't meet the dress code. It just seems like an odd way to phrase it if we're just referring to the chantry sending inquiring letters though. Plus earlier Cassandra refers to herself as a "Seeker of the Chantry" rather than one of the Seekers of Truth (likely referncing the Templars and Seekers rebelling against chantry authority to indicate her position). Which would suggest she sees her detachment as still part of the chantry hierarchy. I guess it depends on what time they arrived at the prison site (which I don't think cassandra ever gives an exact year for does she?) Plus if the chantry was going to send someone to investigate the site, the Seekers of Truth seem like the most likely choice (presuming the incident she refers was a literal visit to the prison and it occured prior to the Seekers and Templars abandoning chantry authority) -HD3 Sig 09:00, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

We'll just have to disagree then, because I still think the Chantry investigated before the Legacy happened. :) Anyway, it's not that important and I was just curious. :) Thanks for induluging me. Henio0 (talk) 19:58, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

No sweat, have a good one.-HD3 Sig 04:27, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Recent Edits

Heya HD3, sorry I only just noticed your message on my talkpage. I can assure you that you've done nothing at all to offend me, the fact that we've been on opposing sides in various editing conflicts is entirely coincidental. It's in large part down to the fact that I do have a habit of embroiling myself in many of the editing conflicts that occur, nearly always picking a side. Stubbornness, or a sign that I care too much I guess!

Anyway, I can promise you that there's nothing personal, I too regard you with great respect as an editor, and apologise if anything I said came across as personal, it almost certainly was not intended. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 19:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Wikia issue

Hi HD3, this is a good point. I'd suggest two methods of dealing with this problem: A) Removing (Formerly) entirely, or B) Adding dates relevent to the title. So, for Zevran, we could put Antivan Crow (Prior to 9:30 Dragon)

Option B would obviously be consistent with how we handle titles on other pages (such as Justinia V) and so I think that would be my personal preference. However, if we're dealing with Zevran specifically, it might be best to remove (Formerly) altogether since (as you point out) it's unclear if he ever did actually leave the Crows.

In short, I'd suggest that users should use their own judgement in cases such as this, though as always, feel free to start a forum with your own proposal if it's something you feel strongly about Smiley Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   21:11, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know the forum's up. Sorry it took longer than usual! Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   00:34, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback rights

Hi, I just noticed that you don't already have rollback and patroller rights. Would you be interested in having those tools? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:45, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sure, anything I can do to be of use.-HD3 Sig 11:28, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Great! I'm sure you'll put the tools to good use. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 23:56, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Best Served Cold Dialogue Options

Well, I couldn't get fraps to work on my laptop. Grr. However, I took screenshots, so I can present them to you in a slideshow format. I'll summarize what I've found out so far:

1) If you side with Meredith at the rally, you still have the option to show the mages mercy at the end of Best Served Cold. Cullen will still agree to show the mages mercy. When you return to the Gallows, you can ask Cullen what will happen to the conspirators, and the answer does not differ from what he says when you side with Orsino at the rally. You still have the option to "name names" even if you made pro-mage options during the bulk of the quest. You can also tell Meredith she's mad or that she must "let it go."

2) If you side with Orsino at the rally and continue to blame the templars and side with the mages during On the Loose and Best Served Cold, you cannot communicate with Meredith at the end of Best Served Cold. Thus, there is no option to "name names." Orsino doesn't ask who was behind the plot. The only accusation you can make is to call Meredith crazy or say it's not her fault. However, you still have the option to attack Keran or turn him in during the warehouse portion of the quest, and you can still tell Cullen that no mage should be spared when he arrives at the Wounded Coast. I haven't made these choices yet, however, as I was being as pro-mage as possible to see if Keran, Samson, etc. can still be turned in. They can't.

When I have more time this week, I'll see what happens when you side with Orsino at the rally but then make nothing but pro-templar choices during the main quests in Act 3. I will also see what happens when all the neutral options are made. --Death by Cheese (talk) 05:07, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Sweet, thank you so much Cheese. Does Cullen still tell you that mages were sedated/locked up & Templars were suspended without pay if you side with meredith at the rally? Also provided you take all the pro-mage options and spare Alain and everyone possible, who gets mentioned if you choose the name names option & how does that differ from the tell meredith she's paranoid option?

Screenshot slideshow would work fine too if Fraps is being stupid. Try to grab one of every sentence for the varying options if possible though. Although we just really need to get the gist of it for every option except siding with meredith and then going totally pro-mage which is almost completely lacking in details of any sort, especially with regards to Cullen's reaction to sparing them & Meredith's differing options if you go pro-mage after siding with her.

-HD3 Sig 05:35, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

How would you like me to send you the screenshots? I have the Side with Meredith/pro-mage Best Served Cold options ready to go. I can grab the other screenshots later. --Death by Cheese (talk) 07:15, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
Oops, Ignore the above question. I just created an album on G+. https://plus.google.com/photos/100400528498159057621/albums/6061790144723970081?authkey=CLaZqpun3Zr2ZQ --Death by Cheese (talk) 07:26, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
I see you spotted the bug where Carver defaults to Templar armour even if he is a grey warden. That happened to me once when I quit during the fight and re loaded just before it. Look great, I am curious though, do you have screenshots for what happens if you take all the pro game options after siding with meredith but then refuse to name names? Both or either alternate options

-HD3 Sig 07:43, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

I don't have those options, but I can get them for you sometime tomorrow. Or later today, I mean. (It's about 1AM here.) I have a pretty good set of saves now. I didn't before (I had to burn through several quests to get there), but I do now! --Death by Cheese (talk) 07:48, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
Tremendous! That'll round out the pro-mage options entirely I think. Great work so far cheese, thanks a tonne.

-HD3 Sig 07:49, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

No problemo! --Death by Cheese (talk) 07:53, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can't get to sleep, so I went ahead and did quick screenshots of the other outcomes. https://plus.google.com/photos/100400528498159057621/albums/6061816059835195985?authkey=COPmzqvHkJuQlwE

Of note: If Hawke tells Meredith she's mad, Hawke will NOT receive the Hearth shield. Hawke receives the shield only from selecting the other two options (Naming names, or "let it go.") I tested each outcome three times to make sure. Also, telling Meredith she's mad does not allow Hawke to talk to Orsino. He will continue to coldly tell Hawke there's no need to be in his office.

One more thing: I noticed on this wiki that there's a note at the end of Best Served Cold that if you side with Meredith there is an option to investigate and learn some interesting things about her. This did not happen for me. If the "interesting things" are referring to learning about her sister, that happens during On The Loose, not Best Served Cold. Unless there are other conditions to trigger this particular investigation option that I'm not aware of. --Death by Cheese (talk) 09:18, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't sure if you saw the above yet, and I was wondering if there were any other dialogues you wanted me to test. --Death by Cheese (talk) 21:24, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Cheese, that's pretty much everything except any option to turn Keran over to the templars if there is any unique dialogue for that path.

-HD3 Sig 00:52, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, no problem. I can test all options for Keran. --Death by Cheese (talk) 01:22, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'll organize my screenshots soon, but I thought I'd outline what I found about Keran (and some other characters you turn in):

  • No conditions spare Keran from being included when Hawke "names names," even if Hawke says "I agree" at the warehouse or tells Keran to "get out of here," and even if Hawke sides with the mages in all instances at The Wounded Coast. Poor Keran! However, even if his name is turned in to Meredith, he can be found in front of The Hanged Man during the day after the quest. The only way to permanently lose Keran is to straight up kill him at the docks.
  • If Hawke tells Cullen Alain was "one of Grace's," when Hawke names names, Alain will be included. He will not be in the Gallows after the quest.
  • If you tell Cullen to go easy on Alain, he will not be among the names handed into Meredith. The next dialogue options, "kill them all," "give Samson another chance," and "be merciful" do not affect Alain's fate. Even if Hawke says "kill them all," if Hawke previously told Cullen not to hurt Alain, Alain will be alive in the Gallows after the quest, and he will not be turned in to Meredith.
  • If Hawke tells Cullen to give Samson another chance, Samson will not be among the names given to Meredith. This is the only way to spare Samson if Hawke "names names."
  • Thrask, Keran and Grace are always included among Hawke's list of conspirators. If you name names:
    • The dialogue options you must make to be the most ruthless are: Kill Keran>Tell Cullen Alain is one of Grace's>"Kill them All." You will turn in all names to Meredith, and Keran (obviously), Alain and Samson no longer appear at the Gallows or Lowtown at night.
    • The dialogue options you must make to be the most merciful (to known characters, anyway) are: Agree with Keran or tell him to run away (he'll still be turned in but still appears in front of The Hanged Man)>Tell Cullen not to hurt Alain>Tell Cullen to give Samson another chance.
      • However, when you tell Cullen to give Samson another chance, when Hawke speaks to Cullen again in the Gallows, his answer to the question about the conspirators is the same as when you tell him to "kill them all."
      • During dialogue when you first encounter Samson on the Wounded Coast, neither defending the mages nor defying the mages matters in any of the quest's ultimate outcomes. There are probably friendship/rivalry gains, but my companions are maxed out except for Sebastian, and I didn't have him in my party at this point.

--Death by Cheese (talk) 07:03, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

I finally organized the screenshots, and decided it would be easier to just summarize the choices my Hawke made before she "names names." I forgot to add that I tested all of these outcomes with a diplomatic mage Hawke, so I don't know if a sarcastic or aggressive Hawke, or a non-mage Hawke have unique options. And as I said above, nothing my Hawke did spared Keran from the names given to Meredith. Anyway, here are the screenshots: https://plus.google.com/photos/100400528498159057621/albums/6062923397977822161?authkey=CI2S3eSo6JW0tgE --Death by Cheese (talk) 08:46, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sweet. Thanks so much Cheese, I really appreciate all your hard work. I've already updated some of the relevant pages with the information you got us. I'll add the rest soon. Thanks again. -HD3 Sig 08:52, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

No problem! It was actually pretty interesting to see all of these outcomes. Some of them I've never made before.--Death by Cheese (talk) 09:16, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

How to Frame a Templar

Hi. Don't understand, what you meant when removing my note. Could you please explain to me? -- CompleCCity (talk) 07:24, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

In short, the note you added was completely incomprehensible. I have no idea what it was intended to say. It may well be a valid entry but honestly it didn't make any sense. Try re-phrasing it in a more readable manner.

-HD3 Sig 07:25, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

"The bug can be avoided, when doing the task in the Gallows before speaking to Ser Roderick, as mentioned in the walkthrough." -- Better? -- CompleCCity (talk) 07:39, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
Vastly. Feel free to go head and add it.

-HD3 Sig 07:50, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. You know, English's not my mother tongue … -- CompleCCity (talk) 07:58, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

DLC Statues

I adjusted the gamma quite a bit because Hawke's estate is pretty dark, but otherwise, the new images are up! Hope they're what you're looking for. --Death by Cheese (talk) 06:30, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Cheese, they look great.

-HD3 Sig 06:35, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Father's Letters

I just confirmed that once Hawke finishes talking to Tobrius, Hawke receives the item "Father's Letters" which go directly to that magical part of the inventory where all plot items go. So yeah, the new page should probably just be formatted like any other plot item page. I'll go ahead and clean the article up a bit. --Death by Cheese (talk) 04:13, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Help

Hi, HD3. In the tarot card forum, someone (probably accidentally) erased two previous entries, and I'm not wiki knowledgeable enough to know how to undo the erased content (it contains several outside links) while keeping the new edit intact. Do you know how this can be fixed? Sorry to ask, but you seem to know your way around the wiki really well. --Death by Cheese (talk) 09:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

The easiest way I can think of would be to just undo the edits to before problematic edit but beforehand copy all the new posts after that and then paste them back into the the forum. Not clever or flashy but should do the trick.

-HD3 Sig 13:28, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Still Looking...

I'm still searching for a better Tevinter symbol. I'm jumping off the computer in a few, though. I haven't found anything yet, but I did find a bigger image for the Nevarran heraldry, which I uploaded, if anyone wants to use it on Nevarran pages. It was on the Inquisition site, which has a few other interesting images. I also uploaded the two best images I got (in my opinion) of Fenris holding the glowing Blade of Mercy. I'm not really sure they're better than d-day's pic, but feel free to use them if you want. Tinypic saved them as jpgs, but I have the pngs on my computer if you'd rather have them in that format.

http://i60.tinypic.com/155jxac.jpg http://i61.tinypic.com/2mfnshz.jpg

Here's the Nevarran image:

Nevarra heraldry symbol

--Death by Cheese (talk) 10:23, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Nice image. If there are any more good image like that on the Inquisition site you should upload them all here so they're in our database for later. They'll almost all definitely be handy for later articles we'll add. -HD3 Sig 10:38, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thank You!

I just saw that you suggested me for rollback and patroller rights, and I want to thank you! The vote of confidence made my day! --Death by Cheese (talk) 23:48, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

You earned it Cheese! Keep up the good work.

-HD3 Sig 03:14, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Front Page Icons Update

Yes, that's a good idea! My talents don't extend to icon design unfortunately, so you might be better speaking to Loleil or Tierrie about this. Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   16:03, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

HD3 mindlessly removing meterial

You have no good reason to revert an added trivia, please refrain from mindlessly trying to control everything on this wikia that does not meet your own bias, Thank you. MaxiRage (talk) 14:51, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what manner of narrative you've built up about myself or what "bias" which you think is motivating me to undo your edit other than the fact it isn't necessary. If you'd read the edit summary next to the undo you would have noticed the whole "per trivia guidelines" remark which would have furnished you with an explanation. I refer you to the http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Wiki:Trivia_guidelines, trivia guidelines which explain what is and isn't considered trivia.
Now if you'd bothered to ask me why I was undoing your edit rather than being insulting, I might have suggested you include the dialogue you keep adding as a quotation per the quote guidelines and add a trivia note underneath it suggesting that this quote had special significance because despite joining the Dalish several years prior to his death, Pol's city elf upbringing leads him to reflexively reference andraste as a quasi expletive, rather than the elven pantheon he now follows. I would also have pointed out the factual errors in your edit, (this is not the first time Hawke encounters Pol) and that you could have included the relevant links to provide more opportunities for any potential readers to explore the world of dragon age further.
Also my view of Dragon Age's lore is not "narrow", indeed in contrast to the more fanatical and argumentative members of this community, I generally try to refrain from enforcing an opinion and be as objective as possible by editing as independently as possible from what I personally may consider the "correct" choice in any situation or dispute. Of course it helps that, though admittedly I do so say so myself, I am fairly well versed on the lore of Thedas in general.

P.S I hope this experience has not put you off contributing to the wiki. We need enthusiastic editors, we just want to make sure they maintain an appropriate standard of concision, fact sourcing and accuracy. The wikia is a collaborative project as is every article it hosts. It helps if we don't assume malice when editors find themselves in a disagreement with each other.


-HD3 Sig 15:12, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I understand, however, if its not "perfect" per se, You could easily edit it to fall into the guidelines instead of been rude by hitting "undo", the easy way, since you seem to believe you know more about the guidelines then the rest of us. Also, please don't spam the same long message in 3 places. MaxiRage (talk) 15:23, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I am uncertain why you believe I am purporting to know more about the guidelines than "us" just because I pointed out to you that one of your edits did not actually count as trivia. As I stated earlier, had you read the included reason or spoken to me directly I would have explained the issue in greater detail and how you could work around it if you chose. Also calling other editors "mindless" is at the very least, not conducive to creating a collaborative editing environment which is something all editors should try to maintain.

-HD3 Sig 03:30, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Account Compromised

Sorry everyone, as you may have heard from KC or Cheese my account was hacked. My apologies if you were one of the people who receieved one of the hackers "contributions" on your talk page. Sorry for the trouble. -HD3 Sig 23:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Should I be jealous that you're so popular all the cool kids want to hack you? Tonguesmiley --Kelcat Talk 00:33, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
If you want to deal with all the headaches of being hacked, I'll happily trade you ^^

-HD3 Sig 03:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi,
I know my tiff with the IP who is supposedly responsible for hacking your page might have portrayed me in a bad light so I won't bother you for long, but I did notice a very curious thing that I could not get me head around.
The same IP appears to have edited your user page in the past. Even the last edit that was reverted by DeathByCheese, is logged as having reverted your page to a version created by that IP. What do you make of it? Diain (talk) 05:10, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, man that was ages ago. That was my list of equipment articles that required pictures. Whoever that anon was, they noticed all those articles now had images but the list hadn't been removed, so they took it down themselves. Trying to be helpful I guess. Its rather rude to edit a user's profile page but I didn't even notice until like a month later. I don't really use my profile page to keep notes generally so I don't pay it a lot of attention. Then when someone hacked my account yesterday, Cheese used rollback instead of the standard edit and rollback defaults to the last user to edit the profile page before the user account you are using rollback on. Since no one ever edits a user's profile page except the user themselves, it jumped to that anon's IP. So it was actually Cheese who edited the page.

As for how you've been portrayed, I see Kelcat has already dealt with that so it is rather a moot point now. -HD3 Sig 06:29, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ahh that makes sense. Thanks! Diain (talk) 06:34, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
No problem, you have a good day now.

-HD3 Sig 09:38, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Quote

Hey, HD3! You've read Asunder haven't you? I was looking at Rhys' article, and his header quote seems kind of generic to me: “Very well. I confess: I’m a mage.”

Any ideas for something a little more interesting? --Kelcat Talk 06:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I actually kind of like that quote but you'd have to read the text to get the context. I shall go look for a few alternatives from the book and get back to you.

P.S You haven't read Asunder? You totally should before DA:I comes out. Lot of great moments in that thing. What about Masked Empire & Last Flight? -HD3 Sig 07:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I wondered if it might be a "you had to be there" kind of quote. Perhaps it could be added as dialogue, with a different header quote.
The only novel I've read so far is The Stolen Throne. The other ones are pretty cheap on kindle right now, so I should pick up one or two. --Kelcat Talk 02:36, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
You really should, at least read Asunder & Masked Empire because they seem to tie into DA:I to a much greater extent. Plus the calling has more Duncan! & Maric! and last flight is spiffy because you get to actually see the fourth blight happen and how much worse things could have gotten in ferelden. Plus they're just good reads in of themselves.
You're right about Rhys' quote though, its a good quote for that scene but we should find something less context dependent. I'll take care of that today.

-HD3 Sig 02:41, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

How about "We know nothing of Tranquility, or of demons, or even our own limitations."
Or if we can turn a blind eye to a slightly longer quote than usual ""We know nothing of Tranquility, or of demons, or even our own limitations. Whatever comes next, we will only survive if we learn to look upon it with new eyes." -p.407

I like that one. It captures both Rhys, Asunder and the general sense of upheaval everyone faces at the end of Masked Empire & Asunder. -HD3 Sig 09:33, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

The longer one seems to look fine and not too long (even on my small laptop screen), so I've gone ahead and added that one. Thanks for your help! --Kelcat Talk 02:52, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
Glad I could help. Also you totally should read the books.

-HD3 Sig 03:09, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

One more thing on Rhys' page, if you're able--reference 1 is for Last Flight but it uses a location number rather than a page number (I'm presuming the location comes from the e-book version). It's about Rhys' physical description. Any way you could scrounge up a page number so it matches other book citations? --Kelcat Talk 07:22, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem at all. I'll take care of it.

-HD3 Sig 07:34, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, have amended reference.

-HD3 Sig 10:09, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Categorizing categories

In wikis, all categories are categorized by at least one parent category, except of course the root category. So please don't forget to categorize them. If you're uncertain which categories are appropriate, your best shot is to check similar categories. So for example in the case of Category:Dragon Age: Last Flight locations, checking the respective Stolen Throne category is a good idea. Viktoria Landers 18:36, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Ok good to know, I'll incorporate those properly in future.

-HD3 Sig 02:52, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Last Straw Edit Warring

Please refrain from pointlessly starting an edit war.

Thank you. - Mouseno4

As I explained in both the edit summary on my initial reversion and on your own talk page, speculation, however likely, is no help to anyone. I know Kelcat has spoken to you about this already. -HD3 Sig 09:12, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

It seems i was right about one thing.

Cesspool?

Just saw what you said on KC's talk page, but didn't want to butt in with such a silly thing there - I just felt kind of "mentioned" as one of the many users adding news. All the news are from BioWare (not just pulled out of cesspool), they're just advertising this much. And now I just realize that I must seem offended or something, but I just meant to say it because to my knowledge you haven't had too much time to read into the news and thus you may really not know... hope you won't take it in a bad way.
By the way I kept hoping for that we could meet on the chat again, but funnily I had a better chance meeting you in Europe than in the states, but to respond to what you said in there, I knew you would be one of the first choices of the admins when it would come to nomination, so it was no question to me that I'd vote with a yes. And looking at the overwhelming support on your page, I think it's not premature to congratulate you on your new role. :) --Margerard 16:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Har har, well first Marge, let me say thank you. If I ever get the chance to visit Europe (which remains in the top of my life's ambitions) we must catch up. Regarding my comments on KC's talk page, I think you may have misconstrued what I intended. Admittedly it is late here and I am tired so I probably phrased it rather poorly.

When I said "cesspool" I meant the mass of the internet in general and people potentially posting unrelated third party content in the news section. Not actually anything posted by anyone so far.

I actually have no problem with the amount of information Bioware have been posting, its' in all our best interests for them to drum up as much enthusiasm and interest for DA:I as possible and the fans certainly want more news. I only meant that in recent times we've gone from having a designated user or two handling all the news posts to a broader number of users posting news which has been harder to keep track of. -HD3 Sig 17:05, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Claudio Valisti

Hey, HD3! I hope I wasn't overstepping, but I saw you were having trouble resizing the image of Claudio Valisti to better fit the infobox. I uploaded a cropped version, so it's more of a portrait now. Feel free to change it back if you'd like. --Death by Cheese (talk) 02:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Actually I was just trying to puzzle out how to fix that image. Thank you Cheese, looks much better now.

-HD3 Sig 03:16, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Admin time

You are now officially an administrator! Most of the extra buttons are pretty self explanatory, but if you need any extra advice please feel free to drop me a line. Congratulations. Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 16:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thank You Loleil! My first question is, where do I find all the new buttons?

-HD3 Sig 16:54, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Heh, well there's really only two new buttons. Block pops up next to the user name on recent changes or the page history, delete on the the drop down menu for articles and images and that's pretty much it! Friendship smallLoleil Talk 16:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
Cool, that sounds pretty manageable. Thanks loleil.

-HD3 Sig 17:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations!!! --Kelcat Talk 19:30, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Kelcat ^^ I meant what I said on the rose forum post by the way

-HD3 Sig 08:14, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

By which I mean the part about thank you as my long term partner in crime when editing the wiki not the evil megalomaniac laughter.

-HD3 Sig 08:16, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Aw, I'm glad! It's encouraging to know I've helped others on the wiki, with or without maniacle laughter Icon wink --Kelcat Talk 01:43, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Party Select Screen

Hey, HD3. I finally got the Act 1 party select screen the way I want it (I'm kind of picky about details like weapons and such), but I wasn't sure about uploading it directly here because you had said you were going to cut & paste screens together to have one picture of all party members (minus Tallis). Here's the like to the screenshot. Feel free to do whatever you want to with the image: [2] Next I'll be working on the Act 2 screen to get Sebastian in the picture, then I'll do a rogue/warrior Hawke screen to get Bethany. --Death by Cheese (talk) 06:22, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Looks perfect cheese! Once we get a shot of Sebastian for act 2 and act 1 bethany we'll cut them all together as one image. It'll look great.

-HD3 Sig 06:24, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

It sounds like a neat project! Are you going to make the party members clickable like some of the maps on the wiki? Oh, and before I forget, congrats on the admin promotion! You deserve it. --Death by Cheese (talk) 06:41, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Cheese ^^ I never would've gotten this far without your help. The clickable party members does sound like a neat idea. I don't know how to set that up though.

-HD3 Sig 06:48, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Oh hey speaking of weapons, do you think you could get Sebastian with the Starkhaven Longbow?

-HD3 Sig 06:58, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'm finally back with image #2 of the Act 1 party with Bethany. Sorry it's taking so long! [3] And when I get the Act 2 screen, I'll be sure to have Sebastian holding the Starkhaven Longbow. --Death by Cheese (talk) 21:17, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Ah great work cheese! I've cut in Bethany. It actually looks pretty good! Except because of where Hawke stands in the screen you cant see half of her stave so Bethany is holding a kind of ad hoc mace. I don't see any way around that though and it still looks pretty good so I'm not worried. Once I add sebastian it'll look perfect, I'll link you to the finished version once I upload it.

-HD3 Sig 00:17, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Ohhh, I'm so dumb! I also was concerned about the way Bethany is buried behind the other characters, and the way she's holding her staff isnn't doing her any favors for cutting and pasting... but I bet I can make Hawke invisible! That thought didn't even occur to me until just now. D'oh. Let me fire up DA2 and try again. --Death by Cheese (talk) 01:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, crumbs. Scratch that. I can make Hawke invisible using the appearance codes, but he doesn't stay invisible on the select screen. Grr. --Death by Cheese (talk) 02:11, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
Don't stress it, it still looks pretty good. It just looks like she's holding a mace instead of a staff so it still look fine.

-HD3 Sig 08:53, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

I believe they're in order? Welcome to the team! Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   20:49, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much KC. I hope I can continue to be of service to the wiki.

-HD3 Sig 04:52, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Featured Images

Hey, I made a forum where I'd be interested in hearing some feedback about and maybe suggestions too for refreshing the Featured Images' gallery. You can find the forum here. Your opinion would be very much appreciated! --Margerard 23:29, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

A Simple Request

My dear friend, I have a query that needs answering. I know not if you are online right now, but when you are would you be so kind as to delete this comment? It is from a very obnoxious anon, who I believe is, as the youngins say, trolling. Thank you for your time, Seeker. B.S.S.T. (talk) 19:05, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

He's also commenting here and arguing with himself... I don't think he knows we can see his IP and know it's the same guy. You can delete my comment too if you want. It was just about him arguing with himself. I made sure not to get involved in his insanity. B.S.S.T. (talk) 19:13, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Sorted. -HD3 Sig 04:27, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Blog posts

Hey there! Just letting you know that I've removed the news category from your recent blog post. Although they look quite informative and well made, as King Cousland pointed out, we generally "restrict news posts and articles to material BioWare themselves releases or endorses". Friendship smallLoleil Talk 19:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

No worries at all Smiley Friendship smallLoleil Talk 19:51, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistent Reversion Policy?

I think that

http://dragonage.wikia.com/index.php?title=Codex_entry%3A_Velvet_Cailan&diff=626593&oldid=626591

deserves two comments:

1) I will point out that the trivia about furry art is no different from the trivia right above it about Velvet Elvis. If the relationship of the quote to furry art is somehow not trivia, than the Velvet Elvis one isn't either. Yet, you remove one and leave the other, a puzzling behavior which requires an explanation.

2) Wikia provides the ability to explain or annotate a change, which you did not do here. Being on the receiving end of such a reversion seems very rude and abrupt to this person and not very welcoming. The least you could have done is addressed 1) in your change comment.

DaBarkspawn (talk) 04:19, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

First I would like to refer you to our [[4]] which explain the comments regarding speculation in the trivia section.


1) You are quite correct of course. Though velvet elvis on the other hand is a well documented culturally notable piece of kitsch art rather than the furry art which is more of a personal arousal nature and thus engenders a whole different set of additional considerations when discussing its inclusion.

2)You are correct of course, what I am doing right now in fact is attempting to locate a source which can confirm or deny the relationship between the 'Velvet Elvis' and the Thedosian 'Velvet Cailan', during the edit of which I intended to include in the summary the rationale for that particular's edits removal. However I'm afraid you were too quick for me and beat me to it.

-HD3 Sig 04:26, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for listening.

I did read through the trivia guidelines before commenting here, but could not find a way through those guidelines that allowed the Elvis reference and not the furry one, hence my feeling that they guidelines were being applied inconsistently.

On your reply to 1), are you somehow asserting that all furry art is erotic ("personal arousal")? Because that is certainly not the case. I should also point out that Furry Fandom is what I would consider a notable subculture and I'm not a furry myself. I do encourage you to read through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom as Furry Fandom has ancient links to the computer RPG community through MUCKs and per that article has many thousand person conventions across North America and Europe. That seems at least as notable as a brief, lamentable ;) art style from the 60s.

As for my being too quick, err, thanks I guess. Such is the internet. :D

DaBarkspawn (talk) 04:39, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re:News Post/Locking Necro Thread

Hi there, while I can certainly see your point about news posts, I think this may have more to do with the timeframe we're currently in - news can be expected to increase with Inquisition's impending release. I'm not sure I entirely agree that more users posting news makes it harder to track - true, there have been a couple of posts which didn't really merit the news category, these have been swiftly removed.

Where I do agree with you is that some posts can occasionally appear to be a little unprofessional (URLs not properly linked, typos etc.). In these cases, I think it'd be alright for admins to make the necessary changes to the post in order to tidy it up a little, so long as the original author is alerted to the changes. On the whole though, my personal preference would be to keep the news category open to all users as I don't see it as a major problem right now, but feel free to consult with the other admins or open this up for discussion by the community!

As for locking older threads, I think if they're necroed then there's good cause for locking them, yes. Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   15:42, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

While I certainly can see your point, I just hope we're not underestimating the problem. While its fine in general, there have been several incidents of not just tagging news posts that should not have been tagged (something i myself accidentally committed even) its less news posts' needing clean up that bothers me so much as people including other unrelated stuff as part of the body of the news post. Intended or not, that makes it look like it is the wiki's position on the matter, rather than just a private user's blogpost or comment reply. Its the thought of someone getting that mistaken impression that bothers me and why I think we should discuss this further.

-HD3 Sig 00:38, November 11, 2014 (UTC)


Recent Video Deletions

Hey HD3,

Just wanted to give you a heads-up that those videos I've been putting on the wiki are part of an upcoming Instant Expert portal page. Looks like despite the fact it hasn't gone live yet, the videos are still showing up in the recently uploaded area, so I understand why they're getting deleted. The article should be live later today though, so hopefully they can stick around after that, as they're embedded in the right rail of the page. Lemme know if you've got any questions or concerns!

Cheers

Michael @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 19:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ah now that explains everything! Sorry for the confusion and if I accidentally made your life any more difficult!

-HD3 Sig 00:38, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

No worries at all! Thanks for your diligence!

Michael @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 00:44, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Possible news block

Hey, I couldn't help but see that you messaged KC regarding the news section and that you would consider blocking it for the majority. Since I'm one of those people who share news blogs occasionally, I felt the need to speak up again (as I do remember we talked about the news section a bit not too long ago), I hope it'll be something to consider.
There are a handful of people who make decent news posts, and it's certainly a lot easier to share the responsibilities of updating news than waiting for one of the admins adding it - which could potentially end up with the wiki adding belated news (and that has happened before). I personally think it would be better if those certain individuals treating their opinions as news worthy facts would be asked and eventually warned if necessary to avoid doing so. If I want to be perfectly honest, I've seen only one person adding any kind of personal opinion to the news blog posts, and two other tagging their blog as news when they weren't. I think it would be unfair to take the option away from those who actually want to contribute to the news section appropriately because of these couple of people recently. I'd like that to be considered should this come to a further discussion about it, as I like being able to contribute to the news section, and I don't believe I (or some actually regular news editors) have done anything to take that freedom away. --Margerard 02:12, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Side note, sorry about editing your user page instead of talk page, must've spaced out there o.O --Margerard 02:14, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Marge I should've made it clearer. The admin only thing was more of just one proposed model I was spitballing around. The other one I was going to put forward was a bit more inclusive, open to a significantly wider array of users to ensure the wiki doesn't fall behind in news. I also want to make it clear that this was not intended as a reflection of you or indeed any of the users who has been posting to the news section, so much as insurance against potential further instances. But it probably won't even go forward, it was just a hypothetical.

-HD3 Sig 02:20, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

I understand, and I did not take offense to it in case I came across as if I did, sorry about that. Just something to consider if anyone would entertain the first idea. The second idea, I'm not sure how would that work - like giving certain people a special right to edit the news section? If so, not sure if that would really work. But yeah, I personally don't think that for those few people it would be worth doing anything about the news section. But I know, this was really just hypothetical and nothing personal, so I don't really worry about it, more like a point raised in said hypothetical scenario. --Margerard 04:55, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Photoshop

Hey HD3,

Just did a few practice attempts on an image to make sure I could do it, and yes I can, kind of. You can send me the image and I'll do what I can. My email is acdeakial@gmail.com if you want to send it to me that way. DeakialSig1 11:39, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hey HD3,

I've done what I can. Got rid of the writing and logos anyway. Hopefully there aren't any overly noticeable remains of my work. I went ahead and replaced the image you uploaded, hope that's alright. DeakialSig1 01:13, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Looks perfect AC, I'll put it in place now. Thanks for your work!

-HD3 Sig 01:16, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

grammar note

Hey, HD3! Just a minor note, but ampersands (&) are usually considered bad grammar when writing formally; it's usually best to write it out as "and". Smiley --Kelcat Talk 02:31, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Are you a fan of "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White? Just curious.

-HD3 Sig 03:43, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Somewhat. I am actually one of those people who reads grammar books and articles for entertainment. --Kelcat Talk 04:20, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Graphics Bug

I have found a few instances of DAII's graphics engine messing up, causing the characters to stand on top of each other. This is definitely a bug, but I'm not sure which page to put it on. Since it mostly occurs at the entrance to The Hanged Man, that was my first guess. There doesn't seem to be a page for general bugs, just quest specific ones. DaBarkspawn (talk) 19:38, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Make sure your copy of DA2 has the latest patch, that'll solve some problems. Otherwise unless its a major issue, I wouldn't worry about it. -HD3 Sig 02:19, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm on the latest patch. As for major, I think so:
File:Three-in-one.png

and see also:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Three-in-one-back.png (same as above, but larger)

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Three-in-one-back.png (same as above, but from behind)

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Merrill_anders_merrills_house.png (similar in Merrill's house instead of The Hanged Man.

The bug seems to have an affinity for entrance ways.

DaBarkspawn (talk) 04:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

How odd, i've never seen that one. What platform are you on? It might be platform specific.

-HD3 Sig 04:44, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought it was kinda weird, too. Platform is PC, specifically Win 7/AMD-FX 8350 (8 core, 4Ghz)/Radeon HD 5540 DaBarkspawn (talk) 06:34, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
I guess just put a bug note on the Hanged Man and Merrill's Home.

-HD3 Sig 07:30, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Roger, thanks. I'll try to get to it sometime today. OTOH, there's this game that just released that may distract me.  ;) DaBarkspawn (talk) 14:58, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Um, if I'm going to put in a bug note, it is helpful to have the images to point to. Is there a particular reason you deleted the last two? Again, as with the Black Emporium Trivia, I get a strong sense of arbitrary deletion going on here. DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Outside of VERY exceptional circumstances, we generally don't include images with bug notes because they tend to make the article look extremely messy. Just a text note with template is fine. I left the one image in case we needed to refer to it later as proof that this bug occurs.

-HD3 Sig 22:11, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, done. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:13, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Where are they?!

I've been trying to figure out how to find the promotional weapons but I just can't seem to find them in the video as I should... any idea at which point I could find it? Sure I have some time to make go away before DAI's release but it's driving me nuts. --Margerard 03:06, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Duh sorry, just realized that I've been doing it wrong. --Margerard 03:36, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Har har, glad to hear you solved it!

-HD3 Sig 04:33, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Iron Bull editor

Hey HD3, there's an anonymous user who keeps changing Bull's sexuality to Homosexual. This guy either hasn't seen the reference from Patrick Weekes which states Bull is Pansexual, or he's doing it to vandalize. Maybe you and the other admins can keep an eye on this, seems vandals are about this morning. DeakialSig1 09:46, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism on DA:I page

Hello HD3, I've noticed a persistent vandal on the Dragon Age: Inquisition page. One user also, added a paragraph about the game not featuring a developer console and cheats. I wasn't certain about the relevance of this information, as it was written in seemingly derisive manner. Given the large amount of vandalism, I've chosen to revert everything to Kelcat's last revision. (Formal mode off) Saba0th (talk) 12:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

You made the right call, I'll look into this immediately.

-HD3 Sig 00:30, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Chat

Hey if you're around can you hop on chat? -- tierrie talk contr 04:02, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

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