I am sorry to this but she looks silly in that outfit, it makes me laugh and if all the armors looks like that then I will laugh through it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
- That's Orlesian fashion for ya. http://24.media.tumblr.com/64f687c0acf2b756bf8aa738b387be97/tumblr_mr4kokk8pd1qcfgs0o3_1280.png Henio0 (talk) 23:13, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
White Spire or Montsimmard?
I'd wager she was in line to become First Enchanter of Montsimmard, since it's established in Asunder that Adrian becomes First Enchanter of the White Spire before the trouble with the Circle being dissolved.
- You make a good point, however Adrian was not supposed to become a first enchanter but rather was elected by the survivors when the Circle was no more. Vivienne might have been a "nice and obedient" Circle mage whose place the red-headed libertarian took during the upheaval. So we'll have to wait and see. Asherinka (talk) 02:15, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
Vivienne and being pro-Circle statement
Does anyone have a reference indicating that this character is pro-Circle? Being in line to become the First Enchanter does not show any indication of being pro-Circle. --LordRaijin (talk) 04:03, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
- It is from Game Informer, Sep issue, see "Friends and Foes". Link Asherinka (talk) 16:01, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't speak Russian nor I have any desire to make account to read those data, so what's written there?78.8.149.69 (talk) 21:13, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
- Erm, it's a scan of GI and it's in English. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you won't be able to see the image. I'll cite it for you then:
- "One of the Inquisitor's allies is a mage named Vivienne. She was in line to hold the prestigious position of first enchanter in the Circle of Orlais, but the mages' rebellion against the Chantry and the Orlesian civil war happened before she could formally assume the position.
- "That is a character that has a very specific view on the role of circles and the Chantry," says senior writer Luke Kristjanson. "As someone who is extremely pro-circle, what is left for that person when that entire system crumbles?"" Asherinka (talk) 23:49, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't speak Russian nor I have any desire to make account to read those data, so what's written there?78.8.149.69 (talk) 21:13, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
Quote
I find no need for this head quote to be on the page. No point in having a quote for the sake of having one. Henio0 (talk) 06:47, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't mind the quote. When the game is released we'll have a quote eventually anyway, so we might as well keep one now. It shows some of her personality, I think, as much as we know so far. LadyAeducan (talk) 00:36, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think the quote is hurting anything staying on the page. The character pages usually have one and from what Gaider has said she seems like a very strong character. The quote sounds like what we know about her, and like LadyA said we can change it later when she has more dialogue.--173.167.21.19 (talk) 15:50, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
OXM
I'll cite the magazine here to avoid further questions: "And Vivienne's got a lisp, thinks the end justifies the means, and is probably going to show up in lots of YouTube videos, if you know what we mean." A scan of the article is available here (for registered users only).Asherinka (talk) 18:05, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
She needs new picture
I think the current picture in he infobox is too dark. On picture 
her face has better visibility. Can someone cut her from that image and put her to her infobox? I can't add any image, because I have no account and link to confirmation of opening it never comes to me.78.8.6.196 (talk) 08:54, October 5, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer
- This doesn't really seem like a better image, to me. It's smaller (or would be, if cropped to just include Vivienne), and shows less of her face. She's also standing behind someone, which cuts off even more of what would be an already too-small image. Beyond that, the current image is quite nice, all things considered. 72.196.14.33 (talk) 15:32, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
First Enchanter
I think it highly possible she is not actually a First Enchanter, but calls herself one because she feels that's what she deserves and she would have been made one if it wasn't for the war. Could we get an initial source (I believe it was in the first magazine coverage, where they also said about 5 races) for the line "set to be appointed the First Enchanter of one of the two Circles of Orlais"? Perhaps it clearly states that she is not a proper First Enchanter, but she considers herself to be. Henio0 (talk) 08:31, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Err, just read the entire talk page) The quote is above, under the second header ^_^ Asherinka (talk) 15:15, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, no, that discussion there is about which circle she is from. This one here about whether or not she was actually made the First Enchanter before the war broke out, and thus there was no one to award her the title. Because up until recently it was stated that she was "next in line" to becoming First Enchanter, and I was asking for the original source of it as it's missing from the article.Now on the BioWare blog [1] a letter is written in the in-game style, and she refers to herself as First Enchanter. But we don't know if this is actually what she says in the game or only an insight into her personality and how she likes to throw titles about. Best case scenario, development changed and she actually is the First Enchanter. Worst case scenario, we don't know yet and have two contradicting sources. Henio0 (talk) 15:26, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Just read it again, I thought you meant the one above, not under that one. :) So, just as I thought. One source says she is the FS, and the other says she is not. I will add "self-proclaimed" for now, though I know this will not be taken well. I welcome suggestions abotu how to resolve this. :) Henio0 (talk) 15:33, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Self-proclaimed is speculative, it directly implies that she claimed a title that she has no entitlement to. The two things that we know are:
- She titles herself First Enchanter in a letter to the Nevarran Ambassador.
- She is said to have yet to formally take up a position as First Enchanter
As far as I can see, the two do not contradict entirely. She could have been appointed First Enchanter without actually taking up the role. As far as 'conflicting sources' go, one is direct from BioWare, the other from a magazine last year. We all know that several reports in magazine articles of late (inclusion of Free Marches and Nevarra for example) have been grossly mistaken, so it's not a leap to say that the BioWare reference is more reliable than the magazine reference. You yourself have questioned the reliability of secondary sources in the past Henio0, I'm surprised you are giving this one an even keel.
Either way, 'self-proclaimed' is not right - we have no reason to make judgements on her personality at this point, any such views from 'insight' - saying that she likes to throw around titles she doesn't own, for example - are nothing more than speculation. So as I said, I think just 'First Enchanter' would do. We have that from a recent primary source, conflicted only slightly by a distant secondary source. Alexsau1991 
(talk page) 22:05, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
Thing is, BioWare worked closely with the Game informer and so far everything in that article was confirmed true, unlike any other magazines. But for the sake of a compromise I would be fine with putting it as disputed. I am quite sure it will come true in the game, however, that she is not technically the FS. Henio0 (talk) 02:33, April 17, 2014 (UTC)