Talk:The Arl of Redcliffe

Morrigan Bargain

I seem to recall that I was able to bargain with the demon using Morrigan and entering the Fade by sacrificing Isolde to Blood Magic. Not verified. --Tierrie 10:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I entered the Fade with Morrigan using Blood Magic, at this time she was the only mage in my party. She did not attempt to bargain with the demon, and said she 'knew her kind'. LTK 70 15:40, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Merging

Should the "Attack at Nightfall" and "A village under Siege" sections be merged over to this article? Does the game treat them as separate quests? ... although I suppose, seeing as how both of those are optional, it sort of follows that they be in their own section. Anyway, opinions? - Ancestralmask 15:57, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

This a glitch quest I can't complete

Is there a way to fix this problemOutcastNeedhelp 04:15, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Jowan cannot be used on the XBox 360

I'm playing the XBox version, and Jowan is not an option to enter the Fade to free Connor. He says he cannot go because he must cast the ritual. As I have not been to the Circle yet on this playthrough, I am forced to fetch Morrigan in order to proceed and sacrifice the Arlessa.--76.95.84.122 02:20, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe that is a bug. Jowan can enter the fade if someone else is casting, i.e., the circle. If you finish broken circle and side with the mages, and if you first allow Jowan to help when entering the castle, I believe you will then have the option of using Jowan to enter the fade. 99.178.174.19 17:32, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Bug with Ritual

I encountered a bug when the throne room scene happens. Immediately after fighting the controlled Bann Teagen, I talked to Ser Perth who then glitches and asks if the Warden wants to go into the hall or for them to wait outside. After choosing go into the hall, the quest seemingly progresses to the scene between Isolde, Teagen and Jowan. After I chose to sacrifice Isolde the dialogue ends like if I chose for more time to think and the characters also talk as such and cannot be interacted with (Isolde actually vanished completely). The ritual cannot be done now and the only way to finish the quest is to go upstairs and kill Connor.

The game bugs a few more times when Bann Teagen refers to Connor dying and then Isolde sacrificing herself so Connor could live. The Warden also was stuck in battle stance until I exited into another screen.

So I guess don't talk to Ser Perth multiple times.

Previous Conversations Important?

I used this guide step by step to get to the demon in the fade choosing only options not listed as leading to the desire demon offering a deal at the end and it still offered to bargain and accepted my proposed trade. I'm not sure any of the conversation options before the final confrontation matter at all. I intend to update the article to reflect this. Tetracycloide 05:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Results

The bullet points in the results section make it sound as if it is impossible to get a positive reaction from alistair if jowan's blood magic is used, however, in my own playthrough I used the ritual and, when confronted in camp, selected "I think that went quite well don't you?" To which Alistair's response was, basically, 'Thank you so much for all you've done.' Afterward another set of conversation options appeared the worst of which still netted me a minimum of +6 approval. My Alistair is 'hardened' so maybe that's why? Does saying "I think that went quite well don't you?" result in something different if he isn't?Tetracycloide 00:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Additional Reward

I do not see this mentioned anywhere, but, I received +1 skill and +1 attribute for saving the Earl and at least one member of his family on PS3. Perhaps this should be added to the result section as I have had this reward repeatedly? It is prompted as if it were a level up, but it is not, as it does not change your level. Perhaps this is why others have missed it?

By saving all of them i got +1 skill as a rogue (PC 1.01 and 1.02) and +1 spell as a mage (PC 1.02).

79.218.249.45 09:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Lone mages in the party

It should be noted that, in the event of only one mage being present in the party, their approval ratings may change. When I performed the ritual with Morrigan in my party, she first said it was a viable option, seeing as there was a willing sacrifice, but when I told her to go into the Fade, she scolded me for not asking her first, resulting in -10 approval. It's also not possible to talk to her about the ritual in the mean time, so Morrigan disapproving seems to be inevitable. LTK 70 14:31, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also, could whoever undid my edit to this article regarding the above, explain why?

Just stupid

If your warden is not a mage and you kill or set Jowan free ( asking him to escape for good) but don't want to kill Connor you have a dialogue option "I want to speak to a mage first". But it is not true. You can only ask Morrigan. Irving and Wynne don't know anything about performing a ritual to send a mage into the fade. I wonder if Morrigan teached them how to perform the harrowing of the mage origin, too. Or perhaps Flemeth used to send Morrigan in the fade, gathering a group of mages and lyrium ?