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Confirmation

I haven't personally confirmed all the dialogue requirements on this page. A lot of the sources I found only mention needing to tell her not to kill the traitor and to tell her the men aren't dispensable.

In my currently playthrough, I didn't offer sympathies to her while she was praying. I did tell her not to kill the traitor and I plan on telling her the men aren't dispensable, so we'll see if she still softens. If anyone else can confirm/deny the other requirements, that would be good to know. Heidirs (talk) 17:29, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Well done. Added confirmation link at "Notes" section and references at Leliana's main page, her personal quest page and at corresponding epilogue section. I'm on my first playthrough too and I completely missed all this data before her quest. Hardened Leliana is disappointing me too much. So, good job. Alketal (talk) 18:01, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

I found a softening video example that uses both the "Stop torturing yourself" and the "it was necessary" dialogue (near the end of the video) and Leliana remains softened. My problem with it is the "necessary" dialogue you get from Leliana sounds like she's turning hardened. Makes me wonder if this is some kind of bug. Heidirs (talk) 18:37, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Still unconfirmed. But someone wrote comment under that video.

• it isn't a bug. even if you do not kill both of those people, if you answer her at the end of the sequence in valence with "it is necessary" it results in partial hardening... there are more factors than just these two events and that one piece of dialogue as well, but those two events (the butler and the sister) are the most pivotal, and ending with "it is necessary" instead of "let it go" will undo the efforts not to harden.

So looks like "Stop torturing yourself" option is required. Alketal (talk) 19:02, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

The more I look into this, the more it sounds like there are several factors that go into softening Leliana with some possibly having more weight than others (telling her not to kill the traitor, instance). You might be able to choose the "it was necessary" dialogue and still end up softening her OR it could go the other way depending on other options you did earlier. Like a hidden approval rating we don't know about. "Required" might not be the right word. But definitely "strongly recommended" to follow the outline we have to ensure Leliana stays softened. Heidirs (talk) 20:12, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I think it can be added to the "Notes". Something like "Softening mechanics is still unclear. There are several factors that go into softening Leliana with some possibly..." - and the rest of your previous message. This can attract new people to this discussion and start further investigations. Alketal (talk) 06:56, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

So I didn't offer my sympathies but was still able to harden her. However, there's another conversation with Leliana regarding her reaction the the Divine's death that I think could also have some weight on softening her depending on your choices. I think we should leave the "my sympathies" part in until we understand more of how this works. Heidirs (talk) 17:06, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if this helps, but I did everything in the softening list EXCEPT I missed the talk about the Traitor as I kept forgetting to talk to her, she still ended up hardened so that is definitely a vital step.

Bit gutted really, I wanted a softened Leliana but missed that this happened until after I'd left Haven. --Ajnspencer (talk) 17:31, June 18, 2015 (UTC)