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{{tick|no}} I second what HD3 says. {{User:Viktoria_Landers/Sig}} 09:34, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
{{tick|no}} I second what HD3 says. {{User:Viktoria_Landers/Sig}} 09:34, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
::Since this discussion remains at a deadlock, I am going to remove the merge proposal.
-{{User:HD3/Sig}} 05:57, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

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conditions for talking with her Edit

I don't recall having to pass by her "10 times" in order to get her to speak with me, but I usually run all over the place without stopping to listen to the ambient discussions. Is that really the condition to get her to talk to you and trigger the war table operation? --Kelcat Talk 07:18, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Definitely not. I can't remember precisely when, but it's got to be after certian plot point. I believe it's after talking with Morrigan, but I may be wrong.User signature henioo henioo (da talk page) 07:24, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
You're right, it's after speaking to Morrigan. She'll basically tell you to leave her alone before that, regardless of how many times you walk past her.  Magpieme talk | contribs   16:13, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
You need the nobility knowledge to get the dialog option. - Merthos (talk) 13:23, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Merge Edit

Yes I agree, they are the same person. DaBarkspawn (talk) 02:12, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Yes I also agree, they are the same person for sure -- (talk) 19:38, September 16, 2018 (UTC)

It's been a long time since I read The Masked Empire so I may forget something, but if she is killed by Briala how can she be alive during the events of Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts? Viktoria Landers 06:49, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Since the war table operations with the Mantillon of DAI is referred to as Dance with the Dowager, and the Codex entry 'Portrait of the Dowager' mentions this as well in relation to the Mantillon who helped place Celine on the throne. So the phrase 'dance with the dowager' seems to specifically be about playing the game with marquise Mantillon and no other person. If the Mantillon in DAI was another person with the same title, it would not hold up that they use the phrase 'dance with the dowager' because this would only make sense if it is the same dowager with all the heavy court influences. Therefore I think they are still the same person and that either she survived the attempt on her life by Briala in the Masked Empire (after all it was stated she collected many enchanted items), or this specific plot detail is disregarded by the canonical progression of DAI. -- (talk) 12:51, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Nope All evidence suggests that the Mantillon from Masked Empire is dead. Given the way familial names work among the nobility, it seems more likely this person is a relative or descendant. -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 16:08, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Nope I second what HD3 says. Viktoria Landers 09:34, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

Since this discussion remains at a deadlock, I am going to remove the merge proposal.

-Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 05:57, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

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