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I've 20 cunning and 3 ranks of steal and that is apaprently not nearly enough. Anyone know what you do need? Titanium Dragon 04:21, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

40 Cunning and all 4 ranks of steal, and still not enough for a successful steal attempt (5 tries)

I have never been able to steal or persuade her to give up the book on Xbox. I have had all kinds of combinations but if you want the book to trade I found you can just take it. She won't talk to you again until after the quest is completed. You can also get it after the quest is completed but I don't know if you can still trade it with the crazy mage. I haven't played the PC version enough times to offer an opinion on it, although I found it very buggy. The two times I played the PC version I discontinued the games because of missing DLC. You really don't need this book to trade with the mage, however.

I managed to steal from her last night...this may or may not have been based on my use of a mod that takes EVERYTHING away from the target on a successful steal, including equipped items. The only things she has in her inventory is her robe and staff. Quorwyf (talk) 19:22, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Occupation/Title Edit

Shouldn't her title/occupation be changed to Keeper, since she is a Keeper now? She was the First, and since Zathrien is dead, she is the official new Keeper. I even believe she states that she is in-game. WhiteClaudia (talk) 04:43, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, infoboxes generally reflect the reality that is first presented in-game. It's also not a canon position as (if I remember correctly) she can be killed during Nature of the Beast. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 05:16, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
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