Talk: Hawke

Name

Are you sure because Hawke is a guys name but then again it could be like Malcom from the first game when you actually can change your character but..... It says that you play as a pre determined character....... Hmmmmmm......Blight Queller (talk) 17:34, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Blight Queller

Could be the last name only? Like Sheppard in ME, you can change the first name, but not the last name. Firebat11 (talk) 17:41, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Do we know that this is a set name? It was in italics. --Warden Of The Dales (talk) 18:00, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think this will work much like Mass Effect so Hawke is probaly a last name or a nickname earn early in the game. I am very excited to see some gameplay becuase I doubt you can have somthing like over the shoulder camera (though I believe you might have that view while casting.) Of course if they stick to the orginal view that would be alright. It's there attempt to appeal to the console audiance as their is more potential buyers. And..uh ok a bit off topic from the character him/herself. IT will be similair and fully voiced and I doubt Bioware will ever have a silent protaginst again. One programmer even said once you go full voice its hard to work without it. Sad part to all this is no more dwarf main character): I loved playing as dwarfs. I hope you can still switch over and control your companions. Not a member so Ill just sign with text -Crossy

The Hand?

Has anyone noticed that in the pictures of hawke (and the concept art of a woman i am presuming to be a female version of hawke since they both use a spear and has the same strange hand thing)that he has a deformed hand that looks possibly blighted? Anyone have any theories on this?

Looks more like an armored gauntlet. Hawke wears one on his right hand, the woman wears one on her left. I think the woman might be a companion, the "Morrigan" of DAII. 208.102.120.121 (talk) 02:45, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Of course since the women is Flemeth's new body....

Confiming Hawke is not the demon baby

Generally I don't like adding what things are not, but given how often I've seen it mentioned, do people think it would be worth mentioning that Hawke is definitely not the child of Morrigan and a Warden? Reference Loleil ^Talk 05:44, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

And plus he was one of the few people that escaped Lothering so its impossible that he is morrigan's child. Its called common sense people.... Aleksandr the Great (talk) 22:56, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

My goodness, yes. Even if that doesn't stop people from repeating that debunked theory again and again at least we'll have something easier to point to when we say "Sorry, he isn't."--DarkAger (talk) 23:30, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

On the concept art imho he looks a lot like Duncan...

Up above, remember to sign your post. And why do people think he's the OGB? He is as old, if not OLDER than Morrigan.--XeroSnake (talk) 21:00, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Humans are pattern-seeking creatures; the more 'fannish' one's outlook, the more desperate one's pattern-seeking becomes. Logic certainly has nothing to do with it. --Yeti magi (talk) 14:37, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Image on article

Those are the four images that currently can be used on the article. Currently, the third image is being used. I just wanted to see what other people thought about it. Max21 (talk | contr) 20:32, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly a bit irrelevant now, but I like number three too. Loleil ^Talk 04:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

While cinematic Hawke looks better animated than in these stills, either way he's still well better than in-game's hobo Hawke. Here I'd watched the rather neat-o trailer and got hyped about jaunting around with this jovial fellow, ready to take the world on, then I load up the game and I got this older looking bum-face. Once again, it was time to go custom...

Just another way they messed up in DA2. Sheppard looks perfectly apt for his/her role and voice actors; I expected Bioware to be as successful in this other game of theirs.

Speaking of "her", female Hawke looks much better, compared. Though, and while her hair is cool (as short hairs go), I never do like seeing short hair on women. -89.153.195.130 (talk) 02:52, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

What about his skills...?

I know it's too early to ask but, that massive arm-ripping attack looks a lot like... like what? Blood magic? Some kind of, I don't know, "trans-Fade" strike? Is he possessed or made some kind of deal with a demon? I'll put a few chips over the "Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage" combo. I know you can play him/her in different ways, but a plain mage can't move like he does... --Dairydian (talk) 10:07, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Mabye Flemeth did something to him like making him into a hybrid mage or something--88.110.101.239 (talk) 22:40, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It might simply be that mages will be able to do more then auto attacks, when they fight with their weapon, or perhaps the Arcane Warrior got some melee skills? We'll just have to wait and see for now, I guess. - Kerethos (talk) 07:25, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

the destiny trailer was described by bioware as symbolic of the game, and showed Hawke using warrior skills, rogue skills and magic. in game, he can only use the one set --Googlemooglemaximus (talk) 12:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Robin Sjöström: I have no idea how to do this so i'll just write what i think, in the trailer he seems to be a reaver, who uses blood magic related skills just like reavers do, and right before he summons those 2 giant burning hands he reflects upon the memories gain from becomeing a reaver. And maybe the combined staff/2h sword is a reaver restricted weapon? And the armor to? /Robin Sjöström

John: OK, let's put it strait, he's no warrior in "destiny trailer", the sword&staff combined weapon is a really symple style of staff for mage in this game, and u can even get one free at really start of the game. In DA2 Mage can do a series of range combo and meele combo, and the way Mage holding the staff is very unique, looks like he's doing some stick-type martial arts, which you already seen at the end of the trailer as he walking through the DA2 icon

Hawke's brother

well since we now have on the Dragon age 2 article that Hawke has a brother named Carver who is a warrior, should we also add that to the bottom part where it says he has a sister? I'd do it, but with that big ass link in the page I don't wanna mess anything up.Lying Memories (talk) 03:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added it. I'm not sure what link you're referring to, but using the preview button is a good way to make sure you've got the formatting right before you save. Loleil ^Talk 04:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

When I was looking at it in the editing format thingy there was a big link, which i'm guessing was just a way to show the citation. Either way, all is better ^_^ Lying Memories (talk) 05:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

References

Just wondering, does Hawkes clawed gauntlet remind anyone of the gauntlet worn by the prince of persia in the 2008 game? it also looks a little like (and Hawke appears to have similar abilities to) Nero's demonic arm from Devil May Cry 4?--Ironreaper (talk) 04:52, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

BioWare made it clear that the skills used by Hawke in the Destiny trailer is purely symbolic. Hawke-in-trailer is mixed with Warrior, Rogue and Mage. About the gauntlet... Well, it may be something speshul or merely a part of his armor. We may find out more. --Rocketai (talk) 04:57, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Historic "inspiration"

Like several features in DA world, I began to wonder if is the same to Hawke, so I researched and found many "coincidences" with Sir John Hawkwood namely:

- The name (the first thing) - past shrouded in tales - While Hawke is a champion, Hawkwood was a Knight - Hawke was born in Ferelden, Hawkwood in England - ...And others

of course is just speculation but...

Image for male/female

Now that fem-Hawke is out, wouldn't it be a good idea to have two article images here? I realize the trailer is with he-Hawke, but the female pictures looked pretty good. Tivadar (talk) 19:59, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm about to split up the two, using in-game pictures for Garrett as it'll look more cohesive, and put the Hi-Res Destiny version inside the article. HelterSkelter (talk) 15:59, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, did so. The article is a wee short to add another image to it, so I think it's prudent to wait until it gets longer to add more images. HelterSkelter (talk) 16:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Family

So if Mrs. Hawke's maiden name was Amell which is a noble family from Kirkwall would the Amell from DAO be related possibly? D.Solstice

It seems likely, as Amell is the surname of any human mage in DA:O. The chance that Hawke might be related, possibly even a sibling, to the Warden (if he/she was a human mage) is a nice surprise. - Kerethos (talk) 22:48, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

His eyes

i'm wondering what the red eyes mean, I see the Warden has Blue eyes, and I wondered if it has any reasoning? Zachariah Zuan (talk) 15:07, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

The devs have told us default trailer Hawke is a blood mage, and that's what we're seeing. 69.204.129.237 (talk) 20:50, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Voice Actor

I'm aware that we heard his voice in the recent Developer Diary, but are we absolutely, positively 100% sure that's Nicholas Boulton? If so, could we source it? EDIT: I just saw the citation on the entry itself, but that doesn't link to an official source, just a BSN forumites claim. HelterSkelter (talk) 05:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Grey Warden's in DAO 2

A noobish question Will there be warden's in DAO 2? I know the blight ended but there could be others right? And since DAO2 is only 10 years from DAO1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.78.237 (talk) 20:26, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Most likley, even if there isnt a blight going on we've seen darkspawn in this game. Whether you can join them or not i'm not sure but if you can i'm guessing it is optional this time around.--Gdubs (talk) 22:52, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

According to my knowledge there is no official confirmation regarding this. -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:06, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

different raced hawke??

I always see "human" hawke. Is it even possible for you to change hawkes race in DA2 when you're creating him? Lone Wolf21 (talk) 08:32, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hawke is always human. Loleil ^Talk 04:32, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

OGB

Should he be listed as a possible relative of Hawke? You know, if your male Amell gets it on with Morrigan and all. I realize that it would be a spoiler right in front for the world to see, but we'd be doing a disservice to everyone not to at least discuss the possibilty of putting it under relatives. If anyone would post a forum about it, I would be grateful.--TheGreyestWarden (talk) 04:10, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

A couple of problems here, first, the family box is intended for immediate family only, and second, Morrigan's child is not a canon choice and neither is a male human mage being the Warden. Loleil ^Talk 04:32, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

But the Warden is listed under relative's and it isn't confirmed that he is immediate family. In fact theirs a good chance he IS a cousin, or second cousin seeing as his/her last name is still Amell while a Brother's/Sister's would be Hawke. Isn't listing him in a strictly immediate family box just speculation?--TheGreyestWarden (talk) 04:39, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that the Warden was in the infobox, but I've just removed it as it didn't belong there. I think a note in trivia covers the link to the Warden. Loleil ^Talk 04:56, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Same last name doesn't mean there are relatives,many people have the same last name and are unrelated.

It's been confirmed that a human mage warden is related to Hawke by Bioware. I know what I'm talking about.--TheGreyestWarden (talk) 22:27, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery leaving out Female Hawke

I've noticed that people keep uploading photos of Male Hawke but there's only one of Female Hawke. Every time someone uploads another picture of Female Hawke someone takes her down, this isn't going to end up being like Shepard from M.E where everyone kinda overlooked Female Shepard, is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by J Shepard (talk • contribs) 17:06, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure which picture you are referring to. Anyway, I don't think there should be that many pictures of the default Hawke in the first place. I don't know what would the maximum pictures allowed on the article, but the best would be to have as many pictures of default male and female Hawke.

I'll refer to current image guidelines, which states that we should only be using official pictures of Hawke that are released from BioWare for the Warden and Hawke, because they can be customized. -D. (talk · contr) 17:57, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Clarification: I'm linking to the guidelines, because I don't think we should have low quality screenshots of videos when possible; the official images of default male Hawke are usually better quality, and more than enough. And this is also because I'm wondering if default male and female Hawke will be allowed on the wiki, if Hawke must be in the screenshot. --D. (talk · contr) 18:01, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

There are two official screenshots of the female Hawke. One is already there. I say, in light of there being, like, twenty shots of male Hawke, and two shots of female Hawke, we simply allow five pictures on the main page--two of in-game Male Hawke, one of his concept, two of Female Hawke. If that's too much, four would do--one of male in-game, one of concept, two of female Hawke. None of the pictures on the page are unofficial. HelterSkelter (talk) 18:10, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

The female shot is from IGN, not BioWare. Some screenshots from the trailers are not actually released by BioWare per se, i.e., it's the contributor who decided to take that particular frame. I am not saying we should get rid of the female Hawke picture; the picture is allowed to be on this particular page, but not the other pages.

I know I'm being extremely nit-picky on the wordings, but that's how I understand the guidelines. If it isn't supposed to be interpreted that way, it should probably be reworded.

A total of four screenshots, two for each gender, is fine. I'd like to think the concept art is an exception. --D. (talk · contr) 18:34, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Every shot, thus far, is officially released by BioWare. They just give them to the outlets who will have a high amount of traffic. IGN is visited more than the BioWare site. For instance, there was recently a whole slew of new previews--and there were only five or so screenshots in between all of them. The same ones, in each preview. BioWare gave them new screens and said "use these in your article". That's how it works. HelterSkelter (talk) 22:17, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Right, so shouldn't their be another picture of Female Hawke so the gallery can be a bit more equally balanced( though on some of the things under the pics before uploading them suggest that both a warrior and a rouge have similar,if not the same, outfits so wouldn't it be hard to give a specific sourcing of the picture?)--J Shepard (talk) 22:58, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

If you can get another picture that's different than the one in the infobox, I don't see why not. I only saw this image of female Hawke uploaded on the wiki (honestly, I only know of two released shots of female Hawke, which are on the article already). I'm just wondering where you got it from, as it's kind of small and has a weird color to it.

As for reducing the gallery, if people really want to keep the article full of Hawke's pictures, I'd say keep them until the game is released, then reduce the amount of pictures. Every time a new picture is out, it will be ultimately added, because of the hype. --D. (talk · contr) 23:45, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ha, actually, that's one that I capped. It was during a PAX live feed of people playing the demos. Capped the screen, cropped it. Anyhow, the one in the infobox is a cut version--I see nothing wrong with having the whole picture in the gallery. If there's a problem, I say just replace a male Hawke image with a new female Hawke image once we get one. I wasn't referring to my blurry caps as true screencaptures. Thus far, there are only two screencaps of female Hawke. HelterSkelter (talk) 23:57, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well... I just went ahead and added the big screenshot. It's true that since it's not technically the same picture, it's fine that the screenshot in included in the gallery, as it's uncut and it's bigger. I sorted female Hawke first but heh... that may be because I'm biased. --D. (talk · contr) 01:59, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Am I the only one who notices the severe color balance issues of the new Rogue Hawke picture? [[1]] I submit a color corrected one for judgment. [[2]] HelterSkelter (talk) 03:02, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not just you. I think we should just leave it like that though, and update it with a better screenshot when the game's out (if there's a need). --D. (talk · contr) 12:30, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, so, I'll pull out some of the screencaps. Is there some way to put Hawke pictures in a different area for safekeeping and reference? What about a Hawke gallery page? A lot wikis have things like that. HelterSkelter (talk) 21:25, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm somewhat trying to maintain the category images, so that's the closest we can get for now. I didn't categorize by character yet, but we can definitely do it like on Wookieepedia (with the little blurb to link to the category, I kinda like it). All images of Hawke are currently either uncategorized or under Category:Dragon Age II screenshots. I know we have categories for companions, although I think they should be renamed. --D. (talk · contr) 13:19, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Choice to be a Warden?

I've not been following the bioware forums or news about the game much, does anyone know if Hawke will at least have the option to join the wardens? it wouldn't need to affect the story much, and considering how much they have to do with dragon age I think it would make sense. Agow95 (talk) 18:46, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Child in Lothering Dragon Age: Origins Quest about Dead Mother

Hey I dont know if you remember but was there not a child in Lothering who wanted you to find his Mother but she was dead when found? Could that child be Hawke just wondering but then again I think it was a boy so that eliminates the Woman side of Dragon Age 2 but it does seem possible.

Hawke is an adult, Hawke's mother is alive and I really doubt BioWare has sneakily put Hawke into Origins, considering the looks and gender of the protagonist of Dragon Age 2 can be modified to our wishes. So no. That boy is not Hawke. 83.128.27.75 (talk) 11:17, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery

It's gotten to the point where people are uploading screenshots they've taken of their battles. We should probably either cull the gallery, or make a new Hawke gallery page. HelterSkelter (talk) 03:03, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

You beat me to the punch by ten minutes. I saying the same thing, got distracted and then posted. At any rate I agree whole heartily with this motion.Balitant (talk) 03:18, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I support this, there are too many screenshots of battles. On the subject of excessive posting, there are also too many quotes in some of the pages for characters in Dragon Age II. With the release just around the corner, we might need to put some boundaries on the editing. --Davilimap (talk) 04:11, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

That will solve itself when we are able to compile dialogue pages for each companions and Hawke him/herself when we finally get the game. Best just to leave it as is it for now so we have a record of quote that can be added to the new pages. Balitant (talk) 22:34, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hawke

I have a wonder, does anybody think that Hawke might have had an appearance before DA:2? --Hi (talk) 04:06, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

No. Hawke wasn't conceptualized until after DAO's (or very, very close to) finish. Besides that, he or she does not have a set appearance, class, or gender. HelterSkelter (talk) 05:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Considering Hawke as a character wasnt fleshed out till after DA:O was released and they were only in their intial stages at that point and since Hawke has a customiseable look, gender and class, then no. You did not see Hawke at Ostagar since, if Hawke was a mage, then Hawke was not there. Hawke's family leaves in Lothering's outskirt so you never saw that as the Warden. So no.--Ironreaper (talk) 05:40, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Quotes

They are getting out of hand. Like the gallery section previously, it seems to be a case of people thinking they've found clever quotes and adding them because they sound cool. I'm not finding a policy on this. I'd post this in the Wiki Forums, but it seems limited to Hawke's page. HelterSkelter (talk) 01:31, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

If they are relevant quotes within the game, and there is no policy outlining a limit to the amount or context of these quotes, then people are perfectly at liberty to post them on the wiki, regardless of personal opinions to the contrary.

Armor

Does anyone know what armor Male Hawke is wearing in the main picture? RS89 (talk) 00:22, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Warden

Should the Warden be put as a potential relative, or at least the mage from the tower who helped Jowan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.204.236.13 (talk) 20:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

It is not canon, so it's mentioned in the trivia section only. --D. (talk · contr) 20:22, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE READ: Solona/Daylen Amell

As we all know, Solona/Daylen is the child of Leandra's cousin. I did some research, and this would make Hawke, Bethany, Carver, and Charade Solona/Daylen's second cousin and vice versa. This also makes Leandra and Gamlen Solona/Daylen's first cousin once removed and vice versa. Solona/Daylen exist, no matter what, because in Dragon Age: Origins, all the different background characters exist no matter what. So should Solona/Daylen be put as the second cousin of those three, and the first cousin once removed of the others. We don't have to put Warden, but just Solona/Daylen Amell, since they exist and help Jowan escape no matter what. 151.204.236.13 (talk) 20:35, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I should have added this in my earlier reply, but the family section in the infobox was meant to list only close family members (this is because you can pretty much list everyone, which can get long). Solona/Daylen is already mentioned in the Amell family article, although it's listed as "The Warden" (it should be reworded). --D. (talk · contr) 21:06, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

K, then can someone reword that on the Amell Family page. There's multiple things. Like it says that some guy is the warden's grandfather if they're og magi origin, but either way, the guy would still be the grandfather of solona/daylen. i just mean, that it should be put down in the article that solona/daylen exist regardless of whether or not the warden's of magi origins. 71.243.47.100 (talk) 22:15, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure about using their names (since it's just default names), so I'm leaving a little footnote regarding that their names are not canon. This may not be the most elegant formatting, but I think it should be fine.

On the previous comment (to 151.204.236.13), we don't know if they actually helped saved Jowan escape, since it's made ambiguous on the Warden's article that they did no pass their Harrowing (it's possible it's another mage, just like it's possible it's someone else who helped Jowan escape). --D. (talk · contr) 01:18, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hawke speaks Dwarfish

Recently a new entry in Trivia was made: As evidenced in Legacy, Hawke can speak at least a small amount of dwarfish. Something not entirely correct. During the quest A Paragon's Heir this Codex entry an be found. With the ritual words. Sure, it doesn't mean that Hawke can't speak dwarfish, but it also doesn't automatically mean Hawke is capable of it. --Siorai (talk) 22:16, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think you mean 'Dwarven' -Rue

I agree, there is no way to know for sure if he does actually speak it or not. LeeVEGETA (talk) 23:16, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

So why leave it? It's like saying Hawke can speak Spanish just because we don't know if Hawke speaks it or not, and it's misleading as the words were written into the codex. If everyone agrees, I will remove it. Someone can argue the facts here and revert it if they wish. Xelestial (talk) 03:39, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Age

Just how old is Hawke anyway? -unsigned

Older than his siblings, younger than his mother, that's all we can be sure of. You can pick the oldest-looking facial complexion and give him white hair, he'll still be called a child and such, I believe. --89.153.195.130 (talk) 02:26, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure Hawkes age has been determined.Ser Derek of Highever (talk) 02:32, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

'human noble magi'

reminds me of the Adopted mod. :) Yeti magi (talk) 19:36, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Categories and titles

In my view we shouldn't list everything Hawke can be either in the form of categories (nobility, royalty, blood mages, slavers etc.) or titles in the infobox. Personally I'd like to restrict the categories for Hawke to Characters, Playable characters, Dragon Age II characters, Dragon Age Legends characters, Companions, Dragon Age Legends companions, Humans, Fereldans, Free Marchers, Free Marches nobility. Thoughts? King Cousland | Talk   21:51, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Only just saw this, but yes! I very strongly agree with only using categories that a character definitely is. I would also like to apply this other protagonists. Loleil ^Talk 23:19, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Appearance in Inquisition

Wasnt it stated that Hawk and the gray warden would both appear in Dragon Age Inquisition? --- awyman13 ^Talk _Work 23:23, May 30, 2014 (UTC)