Talk:Ferelden

Ferelden is based on...

Correct me if I'm wrong. but I've heard from a few sources including a BioWare dev, that Ferelden is based loosely on Scotland as opposed to England.

Are you able to provide a source? Loleil 23:18, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

While I've not seen anything direct from the developers, it does seem that Ferelden is a mix of various parts of British history, rather than simply being England or Scotland alone. "Loghain Mac Tir" is a more Scottish-sounding name than an English one, and the Orlesian occupation has its closes parallels in the Scottish Wars of Independence. Not exact paralells, but Loghain prior to freeing Ferelden is more or less the Mel Gibson version of William Wallace, while Maric could be compared to Robert the Bruce. The war for independence even culminates in a battle by a river, with the River Dane standing in for Bannock Burn. Ferelden is mostly English in character, I would say, but I think the developers were happy to borrow from any aspect of British history when creating it. Reveilled 05:16, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Could this be the comment you're looking for? [1] DG references the Scottish Highlanders specifically, but he's comparing them to the Avvar, not the Fereldens. Kellyhelene (talk) 18:12, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Merge

I suggested on the wiki discussion that this page should be merged with 'Fereldans' as this is the same format as in the Orlais article. They are all on one page. --Galith 20:52, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm on the fence about this. A split between geography and culture makes sense, but including the culture could make the page more interesting. I'll put up an official proposal on Fereldans and see what response we get. Loleil 00:28, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sulcher's Pass Is Not On The Map

In the second map, Sulcher's Pass is not there. It is on my map, is this a bug for me or a bug for whoever uploaded the map? Or something diferent?Coroxn 17:38, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sulcher's Pass disappears from the map after Honnleath is unlocked (as does Bann Loren's Land - also not on the map - disappear after unlocking Ostagar) in The Stone Prisoner and Return to Ostagar DLC respectively. I guess the second map is just a screenshot taken from after those DLC quests were complete. --Thegooseking (talk) 10:18, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

How is this line Trivia?

• Ferelden's people are described as being a surly, spirited lot that are a single bad day away from reverting to the barbaric ways of their forbearers.

• Ferelden's clothing focus on necessity rather than appearance - such as the majority of foot wear in Ferelden being rather sturdy, tough and ugly boots.

Moved both here until an explanation can be supplied. If the Scottish reference were proven, then these entries might make more sense, it having been seen as a "barbarian" nation by it's neighbours.

Nobility needs fixing once and for all

I added a link for Ban "evidence" on Wikipedia. There were too many entries regarding the meaning of the word "Teyrn". I haven't found anywhere a meaning of "Petty King or Tyrant" in my online searches, only "Sovereign" or "Monarch". Evidence is required for the "Petty King or Tyrant" definition. I removed this until a reference can be added.

Under Trivia, explanation of Ser

Contrary to the article, knights in Britain CAN be female, and are referred to as "Dame." There is no stipulation that all knights must be male.

Now fixed. Feel free to jump in and fix things up if you notice any other problems. Loleil ^Talk 01:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Location of Redcliffe

I tried to find some info about the "issue" in the wiki but was unable to, so I post it here:

Is there any reason why Redcliffe is located west of Lake Calenhad on the Ferelden map that is used within the books (and in the wiki as well), but located south of Lake Calenhad in the game?

I guess I am missing something totally obvious, ain't I?

Thanks for enlightening me! Pp2009 (talk) 12:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's from The Stolen Throne, aka, it's an older version. Max21 (talk | contr) 12:41, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Division of power

The article says Arls have no Banns sworn to them, but at least one does in Awakening (Bann Esmerelle). Just wondering what the source was here, and if it was 'more cannon' than the expansion. Kellyhelene (talk) 18:05, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

The source is "Politics of Ferelden" from the Codex. "Unlike the teyrns, the arls have no banns sworn to them, and are simply somewhat more prestigious banns". Considering, as you say, Esmerelle swears fealty to the Arl of Amaranthine, I think we can safely say that this is no longer the case. Of course, it may have been true when Sister Petrine wrote "Ferelden: Folklore and History", but it clearly isn't as of 9:30ish Dragon. 95.150.83.220 (talk) 14:58, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Banns swear to Teryns?

Is their anywhere that tells you which banns swear fealty to Highever or Gwaren?

At the beginning of the game, the Arl of Amaranthine is sworn to the Teyrn of Highever. But there's no other indication of who is sworn to which Teyrns. Uli Talk 02:20, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

"known" Arlings

The PRIMA guide has this to say:

~ Arl ~

Plural: Arls

Female: Arlessa

Originally this title was used by trusted commanders of a teyrn, usually his sons or a favored general. They were given command of a fortress or a piece of land that was of strategic importance but was too far away from the teyrn to administer personally, and they were given a title that placed them above that of a regular bann but without banns of his own to command. After King Calenhad assumed the throne and united Ferelden, those banns with lands near the borders or those who were of great importance (though not populated enough to be considered a teyrn) were elevated to the rank of arl and have held the rank ever since. This title is considered roughly equivalent to the Orlesian “count,” with an arling being the same as a “county.” There are currently five arls in Ferelden: Arl Eamon Guerrein of Redcliffe, Arl Rendon Howe of Amaranthine, Arl Gallagher Wulff of West Hills, Arl Gareth Bryland of South Reach, and Arl Urien Kendells of Denerim.

So it's not a case of us having only been introduced to five arls, it's that there are only five arls. Unless there is a retcon I'm unfamiliar with, the article should be changed accordingly.

And I have no idea why Dragon's Peak is listed as an arling, when every reference to it is as a bannorn.

Uli Talk 00:16, November 17, 2010 (UTC)