Talk: Celene Valmont I

Picture

Where does this picture come from? Is it an official concept art or is it fan art? In the second case I'd delete it. Asherinka (talk) 10:05, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ran it through an image search and it's certainly not official. King Cousland | Talk   11:02, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Name change

Since all the other Emperors have the prefix Emperor in the name of their respective pages, I think we should update this one as well, for consistency. Henio0 (talk) 23:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Mage

Can we get a reference for that, or is it fan fiction? Henio0 (talk) 22:15, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know, but I do question having her categorised as such - if true, isn't that a fairly large spoiler for someone who hasn't read the book? Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 22:18, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Asherinka said it on that forum [1].FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 22:19, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Since that is the case, this is a huge spoiler. I suggest not adding the categories, or at least not put that right in the infobox. The book only just came out today in the US, and won't be out for another 9 days in the UK, so chances are vast majority have not read it. Henio0 (talk) 22:22, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. I was pretty peeved to read that spoiler... this is one DA novel that I was planning on buying. As I said, I would remove categories and infobox spoilers for now, for at least the time it's released in the UK, (or it's latest release). Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 22:28, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I think it is enough for now that it is stated in the Masked Empire section. Those who already read the book and thos who aren't planning on doing it, can read it there. Henio0 (talk) 22:42, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Oh well) It's still a rumor. I wouldn't add that directly to the wiki at all until I finished the book, but those who already did claimed that she is a mage on bioware.ru. She did use some sort of magic in Chapter 3, but it's unclear so far if that's just a ring or she is a mage herself:

"Celene’s hand wrapped around his wrist, and he cried out in pain, then lurched back. Smoke rose from his arm, and the fine cloth was scorched. He clutched the injured wrist to his chest. “I took the throne at sixteen, Gaspard, after your wife killed my mother,” she said, holding up her hand and showing him a glittering ruby ring that crackled with fire. “And no, I have no wish to discuss our family’s bloody history. I know it quite well, thank you.” With a twitch of her fingers, she slid a knife free from a hidden sheath on her arm. It crackled with fire as she raised it. “And I have not ruled Orlais for twenty years with balls and banquets.”" Asherinka (talk) 22:53, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it may just be an enchanted dagger and magical ring. On a seperate note, perhaps this is the red glowing ring on the hand in Inquisition's promotional images? :) Henio0 (talk) 22:59, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps. Anyway I'll be adding new information while I read the book. Asherinka (talk) 23:08, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Age Asunder

Should the Dragon Age Asunder section even be in this article? The only presence she has in Asunder is the notability of her absence. It makes sense to include their actions in, say, the Orlesian Civil War article, as they are part of the war, but it seems redundant to include rumors circulating on the other side of Orlais when the explicit truth of what occurred is in the Masked Empire section immediately below it. The chronology also appears strange, as what is described in Asunder doesn't occur until very late in Masked Empire. As a compromise, perhaps a revised Asunder section could be moved to after the Masked Empire section, though I'd rather eliminate it altogether Ravenfirelight (talk) 01:13, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

Trivia

Questioning this bit of trivia: "During her conversation with Leliana in Dragon Age: The Masked Empire, it is made apparent that Celene has been trained as a bard."

Can we get some clarification on how it was "made apparent"? I haven't read the book, but this phrase makes it sound like the statement is speculative, and that it isn't ever stated outright that she's a bard. I think if the trivia is going to stay, and if she's going to be classified as a rogue with a bard specialization, there needs to be a more concrete reference. --Kelcat (talk) 04:54, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

Leliana says to Celene "You were trained as a bard as well, Your Radiance. It is easy to forget." While I don't doubt that she was trained as a Bard, I don't really see that this is trivia - rather a point that should be referenced somewhere in the body of the article. For now I'm going to remove the part which says that it is unknown when and why, that's really not necessary. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 17:07, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I think it should be somewhere in the body of the article rather than trivia as well, but I'll leave that to someone who's read the book and would know where it fits best. --Kelcat (talk) 21:30, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Class/specialisation

Being referenced a Bard does not mean that Celene is a rogue, or a indeed Bard specialisation. She is not a game character. She is identified as a Bard in a novel, where game mechanics don't come into play. If you'd notice, Dragon Age 2 had a number of 'rogues' who were Templars - they for example couldn't have had the Templar specialisation, because they weren't warriors. Leliana in DA2 didn't have the Bard specialisation, because it didn't exist in Dragon Age 2. Celene may well make an appearance in DAI as a rogue and a Bard, but that is currently speculative - as like DA2, Inquisition might not even have a Bard specialisation. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 16:56, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. I've always assumed that the class and specialization categories were specifically for playable characters or characters who could be fought in the game. I don't see any reason for them to be used here. --Kelcat (talk) 21:30, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Same for me. By this logic Loghain is a rogue because he uses a bow in The Stolen Throne.Henio0 (talk) 06:24, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Move Proposal

I am proposing Celene's page be moved to Celene Valmont per her Inquisition codex entry, and the pages of other titled royals. Apparantely in Thedas royals keep their surnames when they take the throne.--Swampshade (talk) 11:02, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Supported.- 01:52, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

- Croix 129. At best it should be Celene I Valmont, as that would be the normal version of keeping the surname in the title. Also, considering that we don't know the rest of the Emperor/Empress's surnames I'd say it would be better to keep the title Celene I or it would be odd that only one imperial page is titled in that way (Name surname) while the others are still just the name and (potentially) reign number.

She's labeled as Celene I in several previous codexes, including Codex entry: Empress Celene I of Orlais and Codex Entry: Cailan's Documents - Page 1 of 3. In the latter, she signs her name as such. Celene Valmont may be her full name, but she is officially and formally referred to as Celene I, so that's what we should use. We can notate her surname in the article. --♫ Kelcat ^Talk 04:24, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

For the same reasons Kelcat describes. Valmont should be noted in the article, but not the title. Ravenfirelight (talk) 10:42, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

One of the reasons I suggested it is because not is she described as Celene Valmont in codex, her grandfather Judicael I's name is sometimes written down as Emperor Judicael Valmont I in-game, which sets a precendent.--Swampshade (talk) 11:04, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

How about "Celene Valmont I" then?

- 11:38, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that info about her grandfather. I would support a rename to Celene Valmont I. ♫ Kelcat ^Talk 10:05, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

But she is never referred to as Celene Valmont I. We can't rename it based upon a single president, contradicted by many other examples. Not least because it doesn't make any sense - it suggests that Valmont is part of her given name - such as Elizabeth Windsor II or Henry Tudor VIII. If anything it would be Celene I Valmont. Though I think it should remain Celene I, as was - and as every source bar none uses. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 22:16, December 20, 2014 (UTC)