Talk: Calenhad Theirin

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I've added more descendents that were missing from Calenhad's page. Shouldn't there be a page that has a list of all the kings of Fereldan. Maybe a family tree? My wiki skills are a bit pathetic in that department--Captain Uccisore 22:43, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Given what Sten says in the first issue of UWS, (SPOILER ALERT) Flemeth must have been the witch Calenhad visited? If so, does that mean Osen was the scribe who introduced them? - Wandrew (talk) 23:57, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alamarri?

If he was born in Alamarri lands in Highever, was he an Alamarri? Or was Highever a free city? Henio0 (talk) 23:58, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Most Fereldans are of Alamarri origin, Calenhad was probably no different. 16:51, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but is there actual proof, is what I'm asking. :P It would be interesting to add to Alamarri page that with time they had merchants and whatnot, so they weren't all barbaric. Henio0 (talk) 17:29, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

By the time Ferelden's population stopped living in Alamarri and Avvar tribes and started being organized in Arlings and Teyrns, one can assume that they were not really "barbaric". Also I believe that were merchants around even when Ferelden was "barbaric". 00:49, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Arthur

Why no mention of the obvious Arthur parallels? TheXand (talk) 13:32, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

New image

File:Calenhad.png I suggest to change king's image for that one, so it could differ from the one on page of unification of alamarri. I had no idea for picture of that conflict, so I choosed that one. Also the image I suggest shows more of king's face.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:13, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with having the same image for different pages, I say leave the old one since it has a close-up just of Calenhad rather than two different people. Kelcat (talk) 23:29, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I can zoom King's face in this picture.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 23:34, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

As Kelcat says, there's nothing wrong with having the same image on more than one page, we don't upload images per-page. The current image is better as it shows Calenhad face on. And neither can be zoomed without becoming significantly pixelated. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 23:56, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

File:Calenhad face.png I have another version of that picture. The old picture shows 4 different people, when my older suggestion showed onl;y 2 differnt people.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 08:29, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Please do not change the picture before people comment on it. Personally, I think the first picture depicts Calenhad in the best way. 18:59, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, I would support keeping the current image. - 02:55, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline

I just got a little confused. I thought that Calenhad fought Simeon during the Landsmeet, like you can do with Loghain. I believe they say that if you refuse to fight Loghain in Origins. And after the fight Calenhad became the king, like Alistair can in the game. I thought the date of 33 and Calenhad becoming the teyrn of Denerim was a mistake. But it appears other sources say that defeat of Simeon wasn't the final stage in his bid for kingship. Is that correct, then?Henio0 (talk) 12:34, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Teyrn of Western Hill

There is no indication that Western Hill was a teyrnir at that time. Much likely it was part of a much bigger land that Calenhad ruled as its teyrn (and thus it is inaccurate to call him as Teyrn of Western Hill). In addition, he also became Teyrn of Denerim in 5:33 Exalted. Subsequently, I have kept his title simply as "Teyrn" in order to avoid any possible inaccuracies. 12:45, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Back then you became a teyrn if banns swore fealty to you. So says Aldous in Human Noble origin. Couslands became teyrns because banns followed them to fight the werewolves. Codex entry: Aldenon's Vestments says "By the end of the siege of the Western Hill, Arl Tenedor was no more. It was Calenhad who defeated Myrddin in single combat, and he became Teyrn Calenhad." Codex entry: The Legend of Calenhad: Chapter 1 says "a young fool of an arl named Tenedor no older than Calenhad, was besieged by Myrddin's forces at his castle, today known as West Hill." Seeing as Tenedor couldn't have been besiegied at the castle belonging to the person performing the siege, the "his castle" in this statement refers to West Hill (if you notice the "today known" - meaning it wasn't know as that back then, and so proves Aldenon's Vestments codex entry). The codex entry ends with "With that Myrddin pledged allegiance to Calenhad, whom he named teyrn and ruler of Tenedor's lands. " Ergo, Tenedor was the arl of Western Hill, but after his defeat Myrddin took over the lands. He was defeated by Calenhad. Myrddin then swore fealty and gave his new gained land to Calenhad. Henio0 (talk) 12:57, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

So according to this logic since the Couslands rule from Castle Cousland, one can call Bryce Cousland as the Teyrn of Cousland.

Wait... I think you confuse the castle with the exact lands that Tenedor ruled. The castle was named Western Hill, the bannorn around the castle today is called West Hill (as well as the castle) but the arling's name that once have been and Tenedor ruled is unknown to us. 18:21, January 28, 2014 (UTC)