Talk:Approval (Inquisition)

Numerical values

1 Greatly (Dis)approves == 4 (Dis)approves == 20 Slightly (Dis)approves

1 (Dis)approves == 5 Slightly (Dis)approves

So on a point scale, GA/GD = 20/-20, A/D = 5/-5, SA/SD = 1/-1

I've seen these values mentioned elsewhere, but its always been hearsay. So just to show I didn't pull these numbers out of my ass, here's how I worked it out.

I used Solas starting from the beginning, gaining no approval during the Prologue, so he would be at 0 in Haven. I knew he would not talk about himself if approval was too low. So I was able to work out that, at 5 Slightly Disapproves, he clams up. Going back to zero and getting him 1 Disapproves also made him clam up. Gaining one SA after that, he would freely speak of himself. So that settled that, 1 (Dis)Approve == 5 Slightly (Dis)Approves.

Going back to zero, I didn't use him at all. Making the templars allies gave him exactly 1 Greatly Disapproves. Then I used his dialogue options and had to take him on a few leftover quests in the Hinterlands, being sure to only ever gain Slightly Approves. After each one gained, I asked him to tell me about himself. After 16 Slightly Approves, he finally obliged. This confirmed that 1 Greatly (Dis)Approves = 20 Slightly (Dis)Approves.

I've been able to determine that zones exist, similar to DA:O. For Solas, -4 to 34 is what I've been calling Neutral, in my own notes. 35+ is warm until I figure out the next threshold for him. At -5 his disposition changes, and he greets with more sarcasm and is more curt when saying goodbye.

At -30 a disapproval scene began with Solas. I've also been able to determine that -75 is maximum disapproval for him, and it does not lock in place like DA:II.

I believe everyone's ranking is similar, but there may be discrepancies. For example, Blackwall's disposition changes at -1 and at -30 a scene triggered in which he stormed out of the barn and my game. I didn't have a chance to ask him to stay, either. I've triggered a scene with Vivienne at -30 but she didn't leave. These differences would explain why there is no in-game indication of approval.--TubbyM0ph0 (talk) 19:58, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

I can initially confirm some of this through the use of memory editing software. I can actually see the number ticking up and down if I search closely enough. So far I have seen +1/-1 for SA/SD and -5 for Disapproves. However, I'm not sure we should be assuming this applies all across the game just yet. We might see a GA/GD that's 15 or 30, or an A/D that's 8 or 10, or other values.

That said, I am looking for help getting the approval template edited to make room for these numbers now that I can actually see them. And I'll try to help you clean up this page. :) --Eleri (talk) 22:06, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

After further fiddling, I'm seeing caps of -75 to +125 for Solas with disposition changes at -5 and +75. I've added this information to Solas/Approval. It will take some time to find everyone's caps, disposition change points, and such... I need to have a quick save where I can have a conversation with lots of approval changes so I can find the value to begin with. Solas is easier than most since he's so chatty right at the start of the game and loves you for asking him questions.... I'll keep working on it. --Eleri (talk) 22:52, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the 1/5/20 has been holding up for me so far. I've got to do it the old fashioned way >:| Screenshot Oh and if you get someone to modify the template, see if you can get em to add some color, like this Slightly Approves, or lighter. I really think it needs to stand out some more. The approval pages look so washed out. At least this way it looks somewhat like it does in-game. --TubbyM0ph0 (talk) 23:08, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I loved how colorful DA2's approval pages were. I'm comfortable enough with editing that I can add the color, just not enough to do the dynamic color changes based on positive and negative as I've mentioned at Template Talk:Approval3. I'll fiddle with that after I get these disposition breakpoints found. Found Varric's. In the process of finding Cassandra's. Then have to go recruit the others in this new save file I made just for this. Work work work. Ha! --Eleri (talk) 23:39, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Nice. And for what it's worth, I think the smallcaps looks better--TubbyM0ph0 (talk) 23:58, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

I've just recruited Sera and she started at +2. I did her quest then went straight back to Haven and couldn't find her approval value until I started looking for something other than zero. Either they don't start at zero as you've mentioned, or the choices you make in their recruitment quests have hidden approval ratings attached to them (I picked the choice in the #1 position each time... it's a bit too late now for me to go back and play with other choices). It's worth looking into I think. --Eleri (talk) 00:37, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

What race are you using? Everything I've done is based on a female elf.--TubbyM0ph0 (talk) 00:56, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

This particular playthrough is human female. But scratch the above. Still can't find Sera's approval value. Possibly changing by unknown amounts rather than +1/+5. Will update if there's really a discrepancy and I'm not just being awful at this. --Eleri (talk) 00:58, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, how did you gauge Blackwall's disposition changing at -1 instead of -5? I'm basing my breakpoints off of how they react when you start a conversation with them. See my findings at the top of Blackwall/Approval... I'm getting -5. (Only Cole and Dorian to go!) --Eleri (talk) 03:47, January 11, 2015 (UTC)