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Loose Ends is an Act 1 secondary quest received from either Meeran or Athenril in Dragon Age II.

Acquisition

This quest becomes available after Birthright has been completed, via the Writing Desk at Gamlen's House. If Hawke worked for the smugglers during The Destruction of Lothering, they receive a letter from Athenril. If Hawke worked for the mercenaries a letter from Meeran is received instead.

Walkthrough

Working For Athenril

Hightown

Hawke can find Athenril in Hightown. She requests that some goods be retrieved as they are meant to be sold to nobles at Orzammar.

Accept the job:
- Aveline: rivalry (+5)
- Carver: rivalry (+10)
Refuse the job:
- Aveline: friendship (+5)
- Carver: friendship (+5)

Note: If you refuse the offer and then talk to Athenril again and accept, you will get both sets of Approvals. Or you can refuse the job, leave and switch party members, then return and accept the job.

Docks (night)

Go to the Docks at night. Hawke finds Pryce being chased by some Coterie thugs. The first wave contains an Assassin, so concentrate on her. The other enemies are all two-handers and can interrupt less resilient enemies with just their basic attacks, so one strategy is to allow them to draw close while hitting them with ranged attacks from the top of the stairs (a Firestorm at the base works great), then rely on warriors in this tight space to eliminate the melee-oriented wave. The walls should help insulate from the Assassin's backstabbing tactics. Five archers will spawn at the foot of the stairs after enough of the first wave is slain, so be ready to deal with them as soon as the assassin falls. The third wave spawns from the east thoroughfare and has a mix of archers and two-handers, for a total of roughly 15 enemies. The Coterie enemies here are vulnerable to spirit damage and have no immunities to the other elements, if the player has the means to inflict such damage available.

After killing the thugs, Pryce says that the exchange was a setup by the Coterie, the others were killed and he only survived because he ran. He explains that his mother was killed by "one of them big, horned darkspawn" and is reliant on working for Athenril to provide for his sisters. Hawke must make a decision concerning what to do with the goods:

Tell Pryce you'll be taking the goods to Athenril:
- Aveline: rivalry (+5)
Give Pryce the goods:
- Aveline: friendship (+5)
- Bethany: friendship (+10)
- Carver: friendship (+10)

Return to Athenril.

Working For Meeran

Lowtown (night)

Hawke can find Meeran in Lowtown at night. He requests that Hawke find Gustav and ensure that the noble he was sent to kill is dead.

Docks

Go to the Docks during the day. Hawke finds a group of guards surrounding Gustav. The Guard Commander orders the men to hurt Gustav to keep him from running, and combat ensues. Afterwards Hawke speaks with Gustav:

Diplomatic option gives no change
Humorous option gives Varric: friendship (+5)
Aggressive option gives Varric: rivalry (+5)

Lord Harimann arrives. Asking Harimann about the bounty will reveal that he convinced the Viscount to send aid to Ferelden during the Blight and the other nobles resented that. This allows Hawke the option of sparing the noble's life.

"Who wants you dead?"
- You do not kill Lord Harimann:
  - Gustav promises to keep quiet about it since Hawke saved his life.
  - Anders: friendship (+5)
  - Aveline: friendship (+10)
  - Carver: friendship (+5)
  - Varric: friendship (+10)
- Tell him he's a dead man; you kill him:
  - Anders: rivalry (+5)
  - Aveline: rivalry (+10)
  - Carver: rivalry (+10)
  - Fenris: rivalry (+5) (tested on pc version 1.02, Confirmed does not occur on pc 1.03 and ps3)
  - Varric: rivalry (+10)
Tell him he's a dead man; you kill him:
- Aveline: rivalry (+5)
- Varric: rivalry (+5).

Return to Meeran.

Results

Athenril

If Hawke brings the goods to Athenril: She rewards Hawke with sovereigns and invites Hawke to work with her again.
If Hawke gives the goods to Pryce and lies to Athenril:
- Hawke is not rewarded, but is still invited to work with Athenril in the future.
- Isabela: friendship (+5)
- Varric: friendship (+5)
If Hawke gives the goods to Pryce and tells the truth to Athenril:
- Hawke is scolded for helping a "pock-marked brat" and for being a "soft-hearted Fereldan bastard/bitch." Athenril will ambush the party next time they approach this location at night; killing Athenril and her entourage yields about 300 XP.
- Aveline: friendship (+5)
- Varric: rivalry (+5)

Meeran

Meeran:

If Hawke killed Harimann: Meeran rewards Hawke for killing Harimann and rescuing Gustav, and invites Hawke to work with him in the future.
If Hawke does not kill Harimann:
- If Hawke lies to Meeran:
  - Hawke is rewarded for rescuing Gustav, and is invited to cooperate with the Red Iron mercenaries in the future.
  - Isabela: friendship (+5)
  - Varric: friendship (+5)
- If Hawke tells Meeran the truth:
  - Hawke is scolded for not doing the job as Meeran instructed, that "[they] don't get to decide if it's right." The quest concludes and Meeran will ambush the party next time they approach this location at night; killing Meeran and his entourage yields about 300 XP.
  - Aveline: friendship (+5)
  - Carver: friendship (+5)

Despite the mention of future work, Hawke will never meet Meeran or Athenril again in Dragon Age II.

Rewards

Athenril

300 XP for killing the Coterie ambushing Pryce
Retrieving the goods: 3
Lying about the goods: No gold
Telling the truth: No gold, ambush in Hightown at night worth 300 XP

Meeran

Killing Lord Harimann: 3
Lying about Lord Harimann: 1
Telling the truth: No gold, ambush in Lowtown at night worth 300 XP

Notes

The dialogue Athenril or Meeran gives before attacking you is very similar to the dialogue for betraying them in the prologue, with minor changes.
If you've earned their ire, you can avoid fighting them by simply not visiting their locations at night. Anything involving the Blooming Rose can be resolved during the day to avoid Athenril, and to avoid Meeran you can take the long road around Lowtown and/or simply fast travel directly to Gamlen's House from the Hanged Man and vice-a-versa, rather than exiting to Lowtown from one and walking over to the other (which also saves you a loading screen). If you manage to avoid them for the remainder of Act 1, neither Athenril nor Meeran will be present in Act 2 to take their revenge. They disappear from the game and Hawke's life like in any other scenario.
Both Athenril and Meeran are Elite-ranked Assassins. The simplest way to deal with them is to pull them far away from their starting positions and eventual reinforcements. This may require wiping out many of the groups of Gangs roaming the streets at night beforehand.

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-Loose Ends is a quest received from either [[Meeran]] or [[Athenril]] during Act 1 in [[Dragon Age II]].
+'''Loose Ends''' is an Act 1 [[Secondary quests|secondary quest]] received from either [[Meeran]] or [[Athenril]] in ''[[Dragon Age II]]''.
 == Acquisition ==
+This quest becomes available after [[Birthright]] has been completed, via the [[Writing Desk]] at [[Gamlen's House]]. If Hawke worked for the smugglers during [[The Destruction of Lothering]], they receive a [[Letter: Letter From Athenril|letter from Athenril]]. If Hawke worked for the mercenaries a [[Letter: Letter From Meeran|letter from Meeran]] is received instead.
-<!-- How you get the quest -->
-Available after [[Birthright]] has been completed. Return to [[Gamlen's House]] and check your letters. If you sided with the mercenaries at the beginning of the game, you'll receive a letter from Meeran asking you to meet him in [[Lowtown]].  If you sided with Athenril, you'll instead receive a letter asking you to meet her in [[Hightown]].
 == Walkthrough ==
+=== Working For Athenril ===
-If doing the quest for Athenril, go to the Docks during at night.  There you will see [[Pryce]] being chased by some [[The Coterie|Coterie]] thugs.  After you kill the thugs, [[Pryce]] will tell you it was a setup, the others were killed, and he only survived because he ran.  He will further explain that he's the sole provider for his sisters, and is reliant on working for Atheneril to provide for them.
+==== Hightown ====
+Hawke can find Athenril in [[Hightown]]. She requests that some goods be retrieved as they are meant to be sold to [[Noble caste|nobles]] at [[Orzammar]].
+* Accept the job:
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}
+** {{Approval2|Carver|-10}}
+* Refuse the job:
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
+** {{Approval2|Carver|+5}}
+{{Note|If you refuse the offer and then talk to Athenril again and accept, you will get both sets of Approvals. Or you can refuse the job, leave and switch party members, then return and accept the job.}}
-If you are doing the quest for Meeran, go to the [[Docks]] during the day and you will see a group of guards standing around [[Gustav]]. The Guard Commander will order the men to hurt Gustav to keep him from running and you will have to kill them all to rescue Gustav. After you kill the guards, you will have dialogue with Gustav and with [[Lord Harriman]], once he shows up. Asking Harriman about the bounty will reveal that he convinced the Viscount to send aid to [[Ferelden]], and allow you to spare the noble's life. Killing Harriman after talking to him will result in rivalry increases for a number of your party members.
-== Result ==
+==== Docks (night) ====
+Go to the [[Docks]] at night. Hawke finds [[Pryce]] being chased by some [[The Coterie|Coterie]] thugs.  The first wave contains an Assassin, so concentrate on her.  The other enemies are all two-handers and can interrupt less resilient enemies with just their basic attacks, so one strategy is to allow them to draw close while hitting them with ranged attacks from the top of the stairs (a Firestorm at the base works great), then rely on warriors in this tight space to eliminate the melee-oriented wave.  The walls should help insulate from the Assassin's backstabbing tactics.  Five archers will spawn at the foot of the stairs after enough of the first wave is slain, so be ready to deal with them as soon as the assassin falls.  The third wave spawns from the east thoroughfare and has a mix of archers and two-handers, for a total of roughly 15 enemies.  The Coterie enemies here are vulnerable to spirit damage and have no immunities to the other elements, if the player has the means to inflict such damage available.
-If the quest was obtained from Athenril, you will then have the choice of either giving the boy the goods they were sent to retrieve and telling him to start his life over or taking the goods to Athenril.  If you choose to give the goods to the boy, you can either tell Athenril what you did or lie and say the Coterie made off with the goods before you arrive.  Any option but telling Athenril you gave the boy the goods will result in her inviting you to work for her again. Telling her the truth will cause her to attack you when you approach the location at night in Hightown where the quest was given.
+After killing the thugs, Pryce says that the exchange was a setup by the Coterie, the others were killed and he only survived because he ran. He explains that his mother was killed by "one of them [[Ogre|big, horned darkspawn]]" and is reliant on working for Athenril to provide for his sisters.  Hawke must make a decision concerning what to do with the goods:
-If the quest was obtained from Meeran, you will have the choice of either killing Lord Harriman or sparing his life:
+* Tell Pryce you'll be taking the goods to Athenril:
-*If you choose to spare his life and then lie to Meeran about not being able to find him, he will still reward you for rescuing Gustav and allow you to take more jobs.  (Note that this decision has a reactive conclusion.)
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}
-*If you choose to spare his life and tell Meeran you couldn't do it for your own reasons, he will not reward you at all and close the door on any future jobs.  The next time you approach the location where the quest was given (in nighttime Lowtown), you will be attacked by Meeran and other Red Iron mercenaries.
+* Give Pryce the goods:
-*If you kill Lord Harriman, he will reward you with the bounty plus a bonus for rescuing Gustav, but you will lose reputation with your companions
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
+** {{Approval2|Bethany|+10}}
+** {{Approval2|Carver|+10}}
+Return to Athenril.
-==Approval==
+=== Working For Meeran ===
-'''If you chose to work with Athenril during [[The Destruction of Lothering]]:'''
+==== Lowtown (night) ====
+Hawke can find Meeran in [[Lowtown]] at night. He requests that Hawke find [[Gustav]] and ensure that the noble he was sent to kill is dead.
+==== Docks ====
-Agreeing to help Athenril:
+Go to the [[Docks]] during the day. Hawke finds a group of guards surrounding Gustav. The Guard Commander orders the men to hurt Gustav to keep him from running, and combat ensues. Afterwards Hawke speaks with Gustav:
-*{{Approval2|Carver|-10}}
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}
-Note; You can refuse the quest to receive {{Approval2|Aveline|+5}} and {{Approval2|Carver|+5}} then switch party members and accept the quest
-Telling the boy you'll be taking the goods to Athenril:
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}
-Giving the boy the goods:
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
-*{{Approval2|Bethany|+15}}  i don't receive this =C-09= ???
-*{{Approval2|Carver|+10}}
-Telling Athenril the truth:
-*{{Approval2|Varric|-5}}
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
-Lying to Athenril:
-*{{Approval2|Varric|+5}}
-*{{Approval2|Isabela|+5}}
-{{-}}
-'''If you chose to work with Meeran during [[The Destruction of Lothering]]:'''
-Speaking with [[Gustav]]
 * Diplomatic option gives no change
 * Humorous option gives {{Approval2|Varric|+5}}
 * Aggressive option gives {{Approval2|Varric|-5}}
+[[Lord Harimann]] arrives. Asking Harimann about the bounty will reveal that he convinced the Viscount to send aid to [[Ferelden]] during the [[Blight]] and the other nobles resented that. This allows Hawke the option of sparing the noble's life.
+* "Who wants you dead?"
+** You do not kill Lord Harimann:
+*** Gustav promises to keep quiet about it since Hawke saved his life.
+*** {{Approval2|Anders|+5}}
+*** {{Approval2|Aveline|+10}}
+*** {{Approval2|Carver|+5}}
+*** {{Approval2|Varric|+10}}
+** Tell him he's a dead man; you kill him:
+*** {{Approval2|Anders|-5}}
+*** {{Approval2|Aveline|-10}}
+*** {{Approval2|Carver|-10}}
+*** {{Approval2|Fenris|-5}} (tested on {{platforms|PC}} version 1.02, Confirmed does not occur on {{platforms|PC}} 1.03 and {{platforms|PS3}})
+*** {{Approval2|Varric|-10}}
+* Tell him he's a dead man; you kill him:
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}
+** {{Approval2|Varric|-5}}.
+Return to Meeran.
-Spare Lord Harriman and refuse to complete the job to kill him:
-*{{Approval2|Varric|+10}}
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|+10}}
-*{{Approval2|Anders|+5}}
-*{{Approval2|Carver|+5}}
+== Results ==
-Complete the job and kill Lord Harriman:
+=== Athenril ===
-:If you ask Lord Harriman "Who wants you dead", he tells you he convinced the Viscount to send aid to Ferelden during the Blight, which made him some enemies.
+* If Hawke brings the goods to Athenril: She rewards Hawke with sovereigns and invites Hawke to work with her again.
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|-10}} *
+* If Hawke gives the goods to Pryce and lies to Athenril:
-*{{Approval2|Varric|-10}}
+** Hawke is not rewarded, but is still invited to work with Athenril in the future.
-*{{Approval2|Carver|-10}}
-*{{Approval2|Anders|-5}}
+** {{Approval2|Isabela|+5}}
+** {{Approval2|Varric|+5}}
-*{{Approval2|Fenris|-5}} (didn't see this, tested on PC version 1.02, I did not get this on PC 1.03)
+* If Hawke gives the goods to Pryce and tells the truth to Athenril:
+** Hawke is scolded for helping a "pock-marked brat" and for being a "soft-hearted Fereldan bastard/bitch." Athenril will ambush the party next time they approach this location at night; killing Athenril and her entourage yields about 300 XP.
+** {{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
+** {{Approval2|Varric|-5}}
+=== Meeran ===
-:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Killing him without asking the question results in {{Approval2|Aveline|-5}}.
+'''Meeran''':
+* If Hawke killed Harimann: Meeran rewards Hawke for killing Harimann and rescuing Gustav, and invites Hawke to work with him in the future.
+* If Hawke does not kill Harimann:
+** If Hawke lies to Meeran:
+*** Hawke is rewarded for rescuing Gustav, and is invited to cooperate with the Red Iron mercenaries in the future.
+*** {{Approval2|Isabela|+5}}
+*** {{Approval2|Varric|+5}}
+** If Hawke tells Meeran the truth:
+*** Hawke is scolded for not doing the job as Meeran instructed, that "[they] don't get to decide if it's right."  The quest concludes and Meeran will ambush the party next time they approach this location at night; killing Meeran and his entourage yields about 300 XP.
+*** {{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
+*** {{Approval2|Carver|+5}}
+Despite the mention of future work, Hawke will never meet Meeran or Athenril again in ''Dragon Age II''.
-Turn in quest to Meeran and tell him that Lord Harriman "was gone when you got there" or "He wasn't there":
-*{{Approval2|Varric|+5}}
-*{{Approval2|Isabela|+5}}
+== Rewards ==
-Turn in quest to Meeran and tell him that the job was "Not" done:
+=== Athenril ===
-*{{Approval2|Carver|+5}}
+* 300 XP for killing the Coterie ambushing Pryce
-*{{Approval2|Aveline|+5}}
+* Retrieving the goods: 3{{g}}
+* Lying about the goods: No gold
+* Telling the truth: No gold, ambush in Hightown at night worth 300 XP
-== Rewards ==
+=== Meeran ===
+* Killing Lord Harimann: 3{{g}}
+* Lying about Lord Harimann: 1{{g}}
+* Telling the truth: No gold, ambush in Lowtown at night worth 300 XP
+== Notes ==
-*Retrieving the goods for Athenril will result in pay of 3 {{g}} and an invitation to work with her again.
+* The dialogue Athenril or Meeran gives before attacking you is very similar to the dialogue for betraying them in the prologue, with minor changes.
-*Lying about the result to Athenril will result in no pay, but an invitation to work for her again.
+* If you've earned their ire, you can avoid fighting them by simply not visiting their locations at night.  Anything involving the Blooming Rose can be resolved during the day to avoid Athenril, and to avoid Meeran you can take the long road around Lowtown and/or simply fast travel directly to Gamlen's House from the Hanged Man and vice-a-versa, rather than exiting to Lowtown from one and walking over to the other (which also saves you a loading screen).  If you manage to avoid them for the remainder of Act 1, neither Athenril nor Meeran will be present in Act 2 to take their revenge.  They disappear from the game and Hawke's life like in any other scenario.
-*Killing Harriman will get a total reward of 3 {{g}} and an invitation to work with Meeran again.
+* Both Athenril and Meeran are Elite-ranked Assassins.  The simplest way to deal with them is to pull them far away from their starting positions and eventual reinforcements.  This may require wiping out many of the groups of [[Gangs]] roaming the streets at night beforehand.
-*Lying to Meeran and saying you couldn't find the target will get you 1 {{g}} for rescuing Gustav and an invitation to work with him again, but you will not get the bounty money.
 [[Category:Dragon Age II secondary quests]]