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Revision as of 13:15, 24 April 2011
“Understand this: I will brook no threat to this nation...from you or anyone!”
Born into a time where his country was under the boot of a foreign tyrant, Loghain Mac Tir and his close friend Maric Theirin drove out the occupying forces of the Orlesian Empire more than 30 years ago. He is more a symbol than a man, representing the Fereldan ideals of hard work and independence. Now with his friend's death, he is left to defend the land with the naïve and inexperienced King Cailan Theirin, who is married to Loghain's daughter Anora. Loghain is the Teyrn of Gwaren.
Background
Loghain was born a "Freeman". He and his family were farmers until the Orlesian Emperor forced them from their land with higher taxes after the invasion. The Emperor declared a new tribute tax that applied to all of Ferelden's Freemen. Loghain's father, Gareth, refused to pay the tax collectors, and as a result the farmhold was declared forfeit and Loghain’s father was arrested for tax evasion. The family resisted and, as a result, Loghain and his father were forced to watch soldiers rape and kill his mother. Loghain's father disappeared for three days afterwards, and then returned, telling his son he had murdered the Orlesian commander who killed Loghain's mother. From that point forward they lived on the run in the Fereldan wilds, banding together with other desperate Fereldans to eke out a living however they could.
While living with the outlaws, he met Maric and subsequently joined the rebel army. He became one of Maric's closest friends and a key military advisor of the rebel cause, with his strategies responsible for many of the rebels' greatest victories. He was rewarded for his contribution to the rebel cause by being made a teyrn.
He also fell in love with Rowan, who was betrothed to Maric. After Maric fell in love with Katriel, Rowan and Loghain formed a romantic relationship. It was short lived, however, as Loghain revealed to Maric that Katriel was a spy, which resulted in Katriel’s death. After this, Loghain encouraged Rowan to marry Maric to help him become a better king, and because he felt Ferelden needed her as a queen. With Maric and Rowan married, his friendship with them grew strained and he rarely spent time with them again.
During Dragon Age: The Calling, Loghain appears to be the closest adviser and friend to King Maric after the death of Queen Rowan. Duncan observes actually that he seems to be the one who is really in charge. Loghain is suspicious if not outright hostile to the Grey Wardens, whom he suspects are a cover for nefarious Orlesian interests. This suspicion is only confirmed later on when he comes to the rescue of Maric in the Circle of Magi, which had been taken over by Orlesian mages allied with the Architect. From his perspective, Maric had almost died due to a Grey Warden plot, and was highly naïve to still believe in them. He was not happy that Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden.
It is also suggested throughout the novel that, although married to a beautiful woman and father of a beautiful daughter in Gwaren, he prefers to stay in Denerim, claiming Maric needs him. Maric reflects on this by saying "we are all running away from something".
Involvement
Origins
Loghain
Loghain is responsible for devising the tactics that will be used in the Battle of Ostagar. Although Loghain advises Cailan not to fight on the front line, Cailan wants to fight with his men, away from Loghain. As part of his plan, Loghain has part of the army stay with him, apart from King Cailan and the Grey Wardens, and wait for a beacon to be lit, signaling Loghain and his men to come in and flank the darkspawn. Despite a darkspawn attack on the beacon tower, the Wardens eventually manage to light the beacon; however, on seeing the lit beacon, Loghain instead orders his troops to retreat, leaving King Cailan and the Grey Wardens to die.
After the battle at Ostagar, he labels any remaining Grey Wardens traitors and places an extremely large bounty on their heads. He also declares himself regent for his daughter Anora. This is not met with approval from the Bannorn, and civil war ensues. Loghain takes drastic measures to secure Ferelden, including allowing elves to be sold into slavery, and hiring Zevran Arainai, an Antivan Crow to assassinate The Warden, on the advice of Arl Rendon Howe. He maintained a paranoid belief that Orlais would attempt to reconquer Ferelden and thus, had the Grey Wardens of Orlais, along with their Chevalier reinforcements turned back at the border. Rumours circulated that part of the reason he betrayed Cailan at Ostagar was that Cailan hoped to cement an alliance with the Orlesians by a marriage to Empress Celene, as Anora was believed to be infertile.
At the Landsmeet, The Warden finally has a chance to confront Loghain. If The Warden has not gathered enough support from the nobles in attendance, Loghain will attempt to arrest the party and Arl Eamon, and a fight will ensue. This fight can be avoided with enough support. Whether there is a fight or not, the matter of who will rule Ferelden is still uncertain. To resolve the impasse, a duel must be fought. The Warden can elect to fight this duel, or select another companion.
Loghain will eventually yield, and The Warden must decide his fate. He can be executed by either Alistair or The Warden, or at Riordan's suggestion he can undergo the Joining and become a Grey Warden and companion. If he becomes a Grey Warden, Alistair will permanently leave the party as he is incapable of accepting Loghain as a brother. If The Warden chooses to let Alistair fight the duel, he will kill Loghain after he yields without the option to allow him to surrender.
Adding Loghain to your party gives you a strong tank-character with a good set of armor; he can play a similar role to Alistair in combat. His high willpower also gives him good damage-dealing power, and he has all four Champion talents at his disposal. Recruiting Loghain also develops his character further and will reveal his feelings about Ostagar and other recent events.
If Loghain becomes a companion, it is easy to get high influence with him. When he asks what The Warden sought to gain by making him a Grey Warden, speaking to him in a forgiving manner and asking him "What do you want?", will also raise his approval. When discussing Anora's childhood, using the final option that says "No one alive knows her better than you" will net some good influence with him as well.
If you ask him to consider Morrigan's offer, he will express reluctance to participate and request to be the one to sacrifice his life to strike the killing blow against the Archdemon, arguing that it is a form of redemption for his mistakes. The Warden can still insist on doing the deed, though.
If Loghain survives the battle with the Archdemon: During the Post-Coronation celebrations he'll state that he has come to respect the Warden and reveals that Anora has now tasked him with recruiting new Grey Wardens.
Awakening
Strategy
When Loghain has to be fought for the crown, any of the four people in the group can fight him (except Dog). Every class can beat Loghain with the right strategy.
Loghain has high physical and mental resistance, so it is difficult to knock him over or paralyze him. Unlike other boss level creatures he is not explicitly immune to these effects.
He will use Shield Bash and War Cry to knock over the player, so high physical resistance is very helpful.
General
- If you run around out of melee range for long enough, he will eventually bring out a crossbow and attack at range. He doesn't hit particularly hard, nor does he have any ranged abilities, so he can be quickly and easily taken down through ranged attacks if your chosen character is good at ranged combat.
Warrior
- You can beat him fairly easily as a warrior with average stats (~40 str/dex) if you equip some +physical resistance weapons/armor so that he can't knock you down as often. The fight ends pretty quickly if you can get to the point where you don't get knocked down every time he uses War Cry. Just watch your health (his shield bash will still send you flying) and hack away at him, and he won't last long.
- A PC with the full Weapon and Shield talent tree should have little-to-no trouble with him with proper handling, due to the relatively high Dexterity and Strength requirements for mastering the tree. Activating Shield Wall will prevent your PC from being knocked over, which is generally the largest factor in taking damage from him due to his War Cry and Shield Bash.
- Another efficient strategy is using a warrior with maxed-out 2H skill tree as well as the second Reaver talent. Keep him feared, pummeled to the ground, and stunned by the passive 2H ability. The Legion of the Dead massive armor is a good goal for this battle, as it requires much strength, which aids you in the battle -- and the Legion armor is not half bad either.
Mage
His high resistances make it unreliable to disable him with spells that have resistance checks, but unlike most bosses he is not immune to most disabling effects, so spells that do not have resistance checks are highly effective - Crushing Prison in particular is almost an "I win" button, and Mind Blast and Cone of Cold are also effective.
While he has high physical and mental resistance, he does not have spell or elemental resistance, so damage spells are quite effective compared to rogue and warrior attacks.
- One tactic is to use Morrigan. She will have Mind Blast, and probably Cone of Cold. Sleep plus Horror makes for a great combo if you can get through his resistance.
- If you have Wynne in your party, you can also use her strong damage mitigation abilities (healing, Heroic Defense, Lifeward, Rock Armor, etc.) combined with frequent barrages of Stonefist and Arcane Bolt to whittle his health down. However, when Loghain activates Perfect Striking, it may be a good time to use Wynne's Vessel of the Spirit ability for a quick health/mana regeneration, plus disorient effect.
- If you have crushing prison then you have many options. Vulnerability Hex followed by Crushing Prison and stacking area persistent effect spells (Tempest, Inferno and Blizzard) and/or damage over time spells (Virulent Walking Bomb, Flame Blast) can defeat him before crushing prison expires.
- If you have Blood Magic specialization, using Blood Wound is very effective against him.
Rogue
- A rogue with at least level 3 Stealth and level 1 poison-making can simply enter stealth mode at the start of the fight, stand at a distance, and throw ranged attack items (such as acid flasks or shock bombs) at Loghain until he runs out of health. Loghain cannot attack stealthed opponents, but he can approach the Warden's position whenever he takes damage. When he gets close enough, your character may attempt to automatically attack him, but this can be prevented simply by running away from him until he stops chasing you.
- Dirty Fighting always works to stun Loghain.
- A rogue who uses the Dirty Fighting talent to stun Loghain and then backstabs him should have little difficulty, providing they maintain distance when Loghain is not stunned.
- If you've invested in the Dual-Weapon tree and you happen to get your hands on Concentrated Deathroot extract (whether from drops or Poison-Making), all you need to do is use the extract and fight Loghain. If your dexterity is high enough, you'll rarely miss, and he'll stay stunned throughout the whole battle.
- If you invested in the Ranger Specialization you can use the trick to summon two pets at once and have both of them use overpower on Loghain. Make sure to click on the new tactics prompt when you summon each one, or you won't be able to use the skills. Using Dirty Fighting while Loghain is targeting your pets will insure an easy victory.
- A Duelist/Assassin can very easily win this as a straight fight. You could probably win with just auto-attack, but using Dirty Fighting and Riposte to stun him will allow you to Backstab him if you have Coup De Grace to make the fight faster.
Gifts
- Loghain is fond of maps; giving these as gifts will significantly boost his approval.
Name Notes Description
Ancient Map of the Imperium
Located: Denerim Market DistrictAn antique, wine-stained map showing the boundaries of the ancient Tevinter Imperium.Botanist's Map of Thedas
Unobtainable via normal meansA botanist's map of Thedas, showing where rare plants may be found on the continent.Current Map of FereldenLocated: Denerim AlienageA clean and fairly up to date map showing the borders of modern Ferelden.Map of the AnderfelsLocated: Grey Warden VaultA beautiful illustrated map of the Anderfels that includes drawings of strange beasts.Map of Occupied FereldenLocated: Redcliffe Castle
Initial statistics
Relative Attribute Weightings on Auto-Level: Strength 0.95, Dexterity 0.8, Willpower 0.5, Magic 0, Cunning 0.15, Constitution 1.6.
Champion: War Cry, Rally, Motivate, Superiority.
Warrior: Powerful, Threaten, Bravery, Precise Striking, Taunt, Disengage, Perfect Striking.
Weapon and Shield Talents: Shield Bash, Shield Pummel, Overpower, Assault, Shield Block, Shield Cover, Shield Tactics, Shield Mastery.
Initial gear
Armor of the River Dane Gloves
Plot skills
| Skill Name | Benefit | Requirement |
|---|---|---|
| Inspired: Minor Strength | +1 to Strength | 25% approval |
| Inspired: Moderate Strength | +2 to Strength | 50% approval |
| Inspired: Major Strength | +4 to Strength | 75% approval |
| Inspired: Massive Strength | +6 to Strength | 90% approval |
Quotes
- Main article: Loghain/Dialogue
- Loghain: "Pray our king proves amenable to wisdom, if you're the praying sort."
- Warden: "And if he doesn't?"
- Loghain: "Then simply pray."
- "You're pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't belong. The first Warden Maric brought to Ferelden was a woman, best warrior I've ever seen." To city elf female Warden at Ostagar.
- "You're no surface dwarf. I can see it in your eye, smart of the Wardens to look for recruits in Orzammar." To the Dwarven Warden at Ostagar.
- "I see you're a Dalish. Maric knew a Dalish elf once; never saw an equal with the bow before or since." To the Dalish Warden at Ostagar.
- "Your fascination with glory and legends will be your undoing, Cailan! We must attend to reality."
- "You rely on these Grey Wardens too much, Is that truly wise?."
- "Understand this: I will brook no threat to this nation. From you... or anyone!"
- "My Lords and Ladies... Stand with me, and we will defeat even the Blight itself!"
- "The Emperor of Orlais also thought I could not bring him down. Expect no more mercy than I showed him. There is nothing I would not do for my homeland."
- (Upon losing the vote at the Landsmeet)"Traitors! Which of you fought the Orlesian Emperor when his troops flattened your fields and raped your wives!?
- "None of you have shed blood for this land the way I have. How dare you judge me!
- " 'A man is made by the quality of his enemies.' Maric told me that once. I wonder if it's more a compliment to you or me." At the Landsmeet, once The Warden defeats Loghain in the voting
- "I underestimated you, Warden. I thought you were like Cailan, a child wanting to play at war. I was wrong. There's a strength in you I've not seen anywhere since Maric died. I yield." At the Landsmeet, once the Warden defeats Loghain in the duel.
- "Daughters never grow up, Anora. They remain six years old with pig tails and skinned knees forever. Just make it quick, Warden. I can face the Maker, knowing Ferelden is in your hands."Before dying at the hands of Alistair or the Warden during the Landsmeet.
- "Please, I've done...so much wrong. Allow me to do one last thing right". Before sacrificing himself to kill the Archdemon.
- "You'll have to forgive me if I shut my eyes and think of my dead wife." Before performing Morrigan's ritual
- "Now it is time for me to go. The Orlesian Wardens await my presence, daggers and all." Before departing to Orlais in Awakening
- "Be good to Anora. If I hear differently, remember that Orlais is only just across the border. I can always return." When speaking with the Human Noble Warden in Awakening, if the Warden married Anora.
- Anora: "Did you kill Cailan?"
- Loghain: "Cailan's death was his own doing."
- (Adressing the nobility after Ostagar)"Everything I have done has been to secure Ferelden's independence. I have not shirked my duty to the throne, and neither will any of you!
- "Do as I command!"To Ser Cauthrien after she inquires about the fate of King Cailan when the retreat is ordered.
- "I must repeat my protest to your fool notion that we need the Orlesians to defend ourselves!" To Cailan, discussing the plans for the upcoming battle.
Trivia
Teyrn Loghain and Ser Cauthrien at Ostagar
- Simon Templeman, the voice of Loghain, is also widely known for his voice acting in The Legacy of Kain and Uncharted series. He also provides the voice of Admiral Han'Gerrel in Mass Effect 2.
- Loghain may have been based on the Irish king Lóegaire mac Néill who was a frequent antagonist of St. Patrick. Several accounts describes his schemes to kill St. Patrick and his followers and supposedly submits at the counsel of his people and is baptised or is not converted and dies unbaptised.
- Loghain's last name, Mac Tir, may be a reference to mactìre, which is Gaelic (gàidhlig) for wolf.
- In modern Irish "Mac" means son and "Tir" means land. Therefore his name would mean "the son of the land" which is arguably apt due to his patriotic beliefs. This is entirely unofficial, except the translation is correct.
- In the novel, The Stolen Throne, Loghain forms and leads a skilled company of elven archers known as the 'Night Elves.' These were elves recruited from within the rebel army.
- Teyrn Loghain bears a passing physical resemblance to Simon Templeman's best known role, Kain, the titular protagonist from the Legacy of Kain series. Before Kain was reanimated as a Vampire, he had the same pale skin and dark, long hair as Loghain. Additionally, both characters were Nobles.
- Loghain was featured in the December 2010 issue of Game Informer, listed as the 9th most influential video game character of the decade.
See also
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