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:I haven't read it yet and the summary descriptions aren't very clear grammatically, but from what I can gather it's not as though Celene arbitrarily persecuted one side over the other, she punished the noble who started it all in the first place but the slums were stil in rebellion, what monarch could be expected to allow a rebellion to run a muck in their kingdom? And however Machiavellian or ruthless Celene may be, it doesn't change how necessary she is, or how necessary her methodology may be, in order to govern and change Orlais, I doubt she would have survived long enough to do anything of the sort if she WASN'T ruthless and Machiavellian. And there's really no question she's far more progressive then her other noble counterparts in Orlais is there? Sometimes we need those Marchiavellian types in order to function, whether we particularly like it or not, or else the alternative is bigots like Gaspard and chaos in Orlais. I don't particularly LIKE Anora but I get why she's so effective and how she's such an asset for Ferelden even if she is selfishly ambitious. You make do with what you have, which is how my Inquisitor will look at it when he finally meets her.--[[User:KrimzonStriker|KrimzonStriker]] ([[User talk:KrimzonStriker|talk]]) 15:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
:I haven't read it yet and the summary descriptions aren't very clear grammatically, but from what I can gather it's not as though Celene arbitrarily persecuted one side over the other, she punished the noble who started it all in the first place but the slums were stil in rebellion, what monarch could be expected to allow a rebellion to run a muck in their kingdom? And however Machiavellian or ruthless Celene may be, it doesn't change how necessary she is, or how necessary her methodology may be, in order to govern and change Orlais, I doubt she would have survived long enough to do anything of the sort if she WASN'T ruthless and Machiavellian. And there's really no question she's far more progressive then her other noble counterparts in Orlais is there? Sometimes we need those Marchiavellian types in order to function, whether we particularly like it or not, or else the alternative is bigots like Gaspard and chaos in Orlais. I don't particularly LIKE Anora but I get why she's so effective and how she's such an asset for Ferelden even if she is selfishly ambitious. You make do with what you have, which is how my Inquisitor will look at it when he finally meets her.--[[User:KrimzonStriker|KrimzonStriker]] ([[User talk:KrimzonStriker|talk]]) 15:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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::I never said I was surprised by burning the alienages. I know sometimes ruthless rulers are really necessary, but unlike you I often fail to detect when they are neccessary. Once I heard that heartless dictators are needed, when is crisis, some of them rather keep the crisis, so they would be in charge longer.[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
::I never said I was surprised by burning the alienages. I know sometimes ruthless rulers are really necessary, but unlike you I often fail to detect when they are neccessary. Once I heard that heartless dictators are needed, when is crisis, some of them rather keep the crisis, so they would be in charge longer.[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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| + | ::: You only need to look at Orlais and who her competition is to tell whether or not Celene is necessary really, it's all about context. As for crisis is it your impression Celene would rather keep the crisis? As I said I haven't read it but so far it doesn't seem like it, so point for her I would say.--[[User:KrimzonStriker|KrimzonStriker]] ([[User talk:KrimzonStriker|talk]]) 16:20, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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Whoever did this page, http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age:_The_Masked_Empire, made a lot of grammatical/lexical mistakes in the plot section. I will neaten it up. Just clumsy at parts. ---[[User:Lazare326|Lazare326]] ([[User talk:Lazare326|talk]])> |
Whoever did this page, http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age:_The_Masked_Empire, made a lot of grammatical/lexical mistakes in the plot section. I will neaten it up. Just clumsy at parts. ---[[User:Lazare326|Lazare326]] ([[User talk:Lazare326|talk]])> |
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Revision as of 16:20, 9 April 2014
Warning this page will contain SPOILERS. If you already read novel Dragon Age: The Masked Empire, then what's your opinion on Patrick Weeks' work of art?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 18:03, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Alas I have pre-ordered it but comes out on a later date here in the UK. Is it good in your opinion? ---Lazare326 (talk)>
I warn about spoilers. I was very surprised, when I learned that Arlathan elves also had slavery, that was very unexpected of them. Another time a an ancient advise "Don't trust demons" was prooven to be correct. I didn't think there are more Dalish elves that don't consider city elves as their kind. Now we can say that Dalish elves seek past and the city elves seek future. At last we saw Celene's face, she's a machiavellian and ruthless. Burning slums reminded me method of Emperor Nero in times of ancient Rome. I was glad we met sylvans again, they were my favorite oponents in DAO. I wonder if in the end it was really Fen'harel or a demon pretending to be the wolf. I wondered when we meet another Forbidden One and we met, now it's only the Formless on to meet. Celene lost all, but in my opinion she deserved it, but what does matter if she deserved it or not if Orlais is now in chaos. After reading this book I started to think it's good that Cailan died at Ostagar and didn't marry Celene.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 13:20, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't read it yet and the summary descriptions aren't very clear grammatically, but from what I can gather it's not as though Celene arbitrarily persecuted one side over the other, she punished the noble who started it all in the first place but the slums were stil in rebellion, what monarch could be expected to allow a rebellion to run a muck in their kingdom? And however Machiavellian or ruthless Celene may be, it doesn't change how necessary she is, or how necessary her methodology may be, in order to govern and change Orlais, I doubt she would have survived long enough to do anything of the sort if she WASN'T ruthless and Machiavellian. And there's really no question she's far more progressive then her other noble counterparts in Orlais is there? Sometimes we need those Marchiavellian types in order to function, whether we particularly like it or not, or else the alternative is bigots like Gaspard and chaos in Orlais. I don't particularly LIKE Anora but I get why she's so effective and how she's such an asset for Ferelden even if she is selfishly ambitious. You make do with what you have, which is how my Inquisitor will look at it when he finally meets her.--KrimzonStriker (talk) 15:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I never said I was surprised by burning the alienages. I know sometimes ruthless rulers are really necessary, but unlike you I often fail to detect when they are neccessary. Once I heard that heartless dictators are needed, when is crisis, some of them rather keep the crisis, so they would be in charge longer.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- You only need to look at Orlais and who her competition is to tell whether or not Celene is necessary really, it's all about context. As for crisis is it your impression Celene would rather keep the crisis? As I said I haven't read it but so far it doesn't seem like it, so point for her I would say.--KrimzonStriker (talk) 16:20, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I never said I was surprised by burning the alienages. I know sometimes ruthless rulers are really necessary, but unlike you I often fail to detect when they are neccessary. Once I heard that heartless dictators are needed, when is crisis, some of them rather keep the crisis, so they would be in charge longer.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Whoever did this page, http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age:_The_Masked_Empire, made a lot of grammatical/lexical mistakes in the plot section. I will neaten it up. Just clumsy at parts. ---Lazare326 (talk)>
- User:Леди боли wrote this part of the page.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 15:22, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Well I neatened it up, since names such as Briala were spelt wrong, and Halamshiral was too. Just a few examples. So i did not change the content but more of the structure. The content of the page, although good, needs to be changed, as it's pretty brief and vague at parts. ---Lazare326 (talk)>