I was thinking yesterday about hawke and the inquisitor, and how the Inquisition was looking for the Warden or Hawke to lead them and it occurred to me would they ever bring back the warden character we created from origins. It makes sense that they might do this because Hawke made a cameo appearance in Inquisition. Do you guy's think this makes sense? Will it probably happen?
- Originally the Warden was supposed to make an appearance just like Hawke did. However the major issues they ran into were the limited customization options (when compared to the number of hairstyles and such Origins gave us) The fact The Warden did not have a voice (or rather they had multiple voices to choose from) there was essentially too many variables, and Bioware decided if they couldn't get it right (and appease the fanbase) they'd rather not include them at all. The Warden was too "personal" for some people, and the idea of Bioware taking their character and changing it (even a little) didn't sit well. So chances are We wont be seeing the Warden anytime soon. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 15:53, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
Wait, what @ Warden was meant to actually appear? Riley Heligo The Forgotten Sinner 15:55, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
- The Hero of Ferelden was originally going to be the warden ally in Here Lies the Abyss.
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HD3 (Talk) 16:17, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Not to be that guy, but where was that ever stated? I recall a Tweet stating that Alistair's appearance in the Enemy of Thedas trailer wasn't the appearance of /The/ Warden but not they were actually going to appear. Riley Heligo The Forgotten Sinner 16:23, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have the time to go looking for a link or anything, I'll see if i can find one a later. I believe it was one of the times they had Q&A or did a Demo they had mentioned "The Warden and Hawke will appear in Inquisition, oh and maybe Flemeth" this caused excitement and eventually they had to do some kind of official statement to clarify The Warden would not be appearing. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 16:42, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
It would be cool to see the Warden again. Its really reassuring that Hawke was editable in Dragon Age Keep. Proves that it could do the same for the Warden in future Dragon Ages. While the fact that the Hero of Ferelden is a silent protagonists, this could be remedied by taking a poll with the fan base on who would be the best voice actor for the character. It wouldn't impact the sales as much because the fan base would already have an idea what to expect. At the very least make a warden playable.
^Please sign. Let's not forget that the Warden could be dead. While this wouldn't make it impossible for him/her to appear in the game as an NPC, it would make it impossible for them to ever be the main protagonist again. Otherwise Bioware would invalidate every worldstate where the Warden dies.
Also, the fact that the Warden is a silent protagonist is a bigger obstacle than some might think. I can't see them finding anyone who could accurately reproduce the voice we invented in our minds. Silver Warden (talk) 19:00, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I agree that reproducing the Warden would have been too much of a headache for Bioware because as others have said, its too personal, just like most fans agree that Origins remains the favorite despite the graphics and limitations of the game. It was the first in the series and most of us hold it in a special place, that Warden...the one each of us made is a larger then life character and really Bioware would have nowhere to go but disappointment no matter how hard they tried. They realised this and took a step back. Hawke was easier because He/she had a voice and a personality already carved out. Yes you had options on Diplomatic/Humorous/Aggressive but for the most part, Hawke was Hawke and it was easier to replicate them.
Indeed I am grateful The Warden didnt apear as the Warden Ally because man would that have been a gun wrenching decision to make...My warden or my hawke..... I mean Stroud...pfft goodbye don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out but my Warden......man yeah I might have needed Therapy after that :D Dupmeister (talk) 15:33, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully not, seeing as they if you asked me did manage to mess up Hawke's personality too and he (or she) at least had the benefit of being voiced and having a more set general attitude (diplomatic, sarcastic or aggressive). For the warden it would be downright impossible to not do anything wrong. Caspoi (talk) 15:56, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
It would have been heart wrenching indeed to choose to let the Warden or Hawke to sacrifice themselves to save the inquisitor. If the Warden had a set voice actor it would really be the moment of my year. I may or may not squel when that happens. - deltawarden1873
There a conversation between Mike Laidlaw and a fan who asked if we would ever see the Warden again, and Laidlaw said he doesn't think the Warden would ever work as a NPC and aren't going to reappear anytime soon. --5.64.201.130 (talk) 18:08, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget that the Warden, in the default world state, is dead, and there is no way to write around that. No fill-in NPC would have the gravitas needed to fill the role if there is no living Warden, except for perhaps the Orlesian Warden-Commander from Awakening, but they're practically a non-person at this point, being completely ignored in Inquisition. Also, I kind of like the idea of the Warden disappearing once their job is done. It fulfills the mythic archetype. The Hero completes their journey, but they've been so changed by it that they can't return to a normal life. Frodo in the Lord of the Rings, Link in the Legend of Zelda, and so on. It just feels right to me. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 19:10, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
- To add to this, as I highly agree, (like with the elderscrolls series) the PC often becomes so powerful, their presence eliminates all conflict, as whatever problem could typically be solved on the whim of the Hero. However, if they're preoccupied, or dead, etc it allows for tension to build and stakes to be raised. You see this within "The Hobbit" Gandalf often is gone, or has his hands preoccupied and cannot intervene. While I love my Warden, I do prefer them to be absent from the current affairs... tho I do think he deserves a better reason than "researching the cure for the calling" it seems to me with all that was happening, he could set aside some reading to help people. I would have preferred something like "they're currently working with Orzammar to clear a path to Kal-Sharok" This puts them out of reach of messages, meaning they wouldn't even know about the breach to even try and help. It would also set up some nice false hope we may eventually see Kal-Sharok! Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 20:18, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
- The 'researching the Calling' excuse was used because it gave the Warden a reason to be beyond Thedas entirely, which they now are. That's why the Warden doesn't come back to help, they're too far away. Remember, they're far to the west, in a place that has never seen the Blight. The Western Approach, which is already in the west of Orlais, was where a Blight STARTED. To be beyond that, they're well off the map, literally. Although why they think there's an answer there is another question entirely, as if this land has never seen the Blight, then how would they know how to get rid of it, but I digress. And seeing Kal-Sharok is actually quite likely in Inquisition DLC, if you ask me. One of the future DLC is likely going to be based on the Deep Roads, due to a comment in a Kotaku Q&A with Aaryn Flynn and Mark Darrah, and Kal-Sharok is beneath Orlais, so I believe that's where we'll be going. Hell, the Inquisition already has had contact with Kal-Sharok in a War Table mission, so why not flesh that out some more. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 01:02, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Not that I want this to happen, or that I think it is even remotely likely, but it is hypothetically possible for the Warden to return as a NPC without invalidating the worldstates where he/she is dead. The Warden would simply have to be an NPC that only appears in some worldstates, like Alistair or Zevran or Loghain. His/her role would have to be non-critical, so it really couldn't be much more than a cameo. Still, it's within the realm of vague possibility, if a variety of technical hurdles can be overcome. Silver Warden (talk) 15:57, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
- I understand that, but still think its a bad idea. Because the Warden is so close to so many people's hearts, I wouldn't even risk trying to put them in because there's almost no way for it to work without angering a large portion of the already fractured Dragon Age fanbase. Hell, the only thing I thing we all agree on is our hatred for Arl Howe and Sister Petrice. The last thing we need is more infighting. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 16:35, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
- With that much chaos between powerful editors we could create another Breach! Sorry, had to say that. Anyway, I do agree it's a really risky idea and will probably never happen, but I still think it's theoretically possible to bring back the Warden in some fashion while still appealing to most fans. However what I would want, rather than a cameo, critical or no, would be for them to actually be playable again. To have the Warden return in the next DA game having retrieved the cure to the calling and wanting to give it to all Wardens, but finding the civil war or whatever mystery has silenced the Wardens in the north. Anyway, I'll stop babbling now. SenjiBen (talk) 21:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Of course! Corypheus was only a patsy for the REAL cause of the Breach, Sera! She's so divisive that she tore the sky itself open! And you're not babbling, Merril, I mean SenjiBen. But in all seriousness, the reason I doubt that is threefold. 1.) Every DA game has a new protagonist. They're not going to change that after 3 games. 2.) One of the developers, I don't remember exactly who, said that the Warden's story has ended, as in they'll be out of focus from no on. And 3.) They are possibly dead, there is no way to have them be in a starring role. Sadly, its not even theoretically possible at this point, not in the way you desire. I feel your pain, I miss my badass Dalish Warden Warrior Raeli, but he's not coming back. However, as I said earlier, think of it as fulfilling a mythic archetype. The Hero has finished their journey, but cannot be part of the world they fought so hard to save, because of how it has changed them. It makes their actions even more heroic, if slightly tragic. They fought for something they can never experience. It was truly selfless, as they can't partake of the world they saved. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 01:15, June 6, 2015 (UTC)