Why this constant hate for Hawke? I get most points i mean personally he felt like Shepard but with a beard and hair (default make)and the voicing wich eliminates more varied dialouges, but still, hes an alright character for a sequel i mean bringing back the warden wouldve beent just too damned hard or too damned clichéd, i mean it wouldve been cool but hey the darkspawn threat is pretty minimal now they needed someone not all darkspawn hunter so they came up with classic legend, hero loses everything to monsters, hero travels to new city and lives poorly, hero forges a legend kicks ass and saves the day (kinda e.e) but seriously its a game, i get it their some serious gamers out there who probably commit hari kari if a game is not to their standards but yknow what? Bioware has turned into a money whore for their great big pimp daddy E.A. but yknow what? NEARLY ALL GAME PRODUCERS ARE so take what u can get and dont complain until games are completly and utterly shitty (like halo 3) just fucking GET OVER IT U BABIES and just live... read a book or something.. watch a movie.. get off ur asses if u dont like the game that much and go get some poon
Clown--Calle Cousland (talk) 19:00, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Why this drivel from hater? User:Futonrevoltion
Wait, did you move the subject of your own thread? First you talked about Hawke, then you randomly started bashing on people not liking the game. Did you consider that our definition of "living" does not exclude criticizing and complaining when we're entitled to? Excuse us if we are trying to save Bioware from falling into mediocrity.
Well, there are many things people don't like about Hawke, it's not just because he took the "spotlight" from the Warden. First, he was hyped beyond believe ("most important person ever", anyone?), when his appearance in the game has little to no real effect on what is happening, which leads me to the second point, the player himself is stuck in Hawke's role and thus is not more than a spectator. People might be annoyed because of that. Third, Bioware took away origins and races customization, which many people loved about DAO, through Hawke. And these are only the reasons I can think up from the top of my head. Lemonaidz (talk) 19:38, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, you kind of lose credibility once you go from defending Hawke's character to antagonizing anyone who disagrees with you. I don't hate Hawke, but neither do I buy Bioware's line about Hawke being pretty much the most important character ever. If anything, Anders and Meredith were the most important figures regarding the events of DA2. And for the record, I do hate Anders. But thats because he was written to be a polarizing figure- you probably should love him or hate him. Liam Sionnach (talk) 19:45, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
You really gotta check that blood pressure of yours, pal. Also, your spelling. Dorquemada (talk) 19:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah. "Hari kari" is some new kind of curry? And if your keyboard lacks in apostrophes, it's Alt+39. - Though, as I think of it, it may not be necessary. Hey, guys, do you think that this was meant as a serious attempt at a discussion, or mere trolling? Mind if I had this thread sent to the oblivion where it belongs?
- - In case you do wish to have your fun with the discussion, I second The Grey Unknown below. It's not about Hawke not being Warden, or a pre-defined character, or a different type of story; the problem is that Hawke fails to pique interest. Ygrain (talk) 20:35, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I second Calle Cousland's remarks. And I'm married. I wanted to play DA2 to get AWAY from poon, so to speak of course, to borrow your eloquent and stylish wordage there Mr genius. So in that regard, this game was a total failure. I actually went shopping, SHOPPING!, willingly the second day of my first game with DA2. And it bothered me not a bit. That would have been grounds for divorce during DAO, that is if my wife didn't make twice what I do of course. And it's not hate for Hawke, it's indifference. The Grey Unknown (talk) 20:16, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Woah, woah, woah, OP! You can hate on the DA2 haters as much as you want but do no hate on Halo 3! It was a great game (great... now i sound like im 10 years old) Yash7 (talk) 20:55, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah dude calm down. Why is it ok to get worked up over movies and not games, I realy dislike this "it's only a game" mentality. People have a right to let BioWare know what they dislike as well as what they do like. Anyway as for the reasons meny don't like Hawke, First: He/She was billed as the most important person in Thedas which he/she (as of yet) is not. Second: He/She is always gonna be human which reduces customisation. Third: Some don't like haveing a voiced PC as they feel it detaches them form what is ment to be the players body in the game world. Of course I can't a won't speek for everyone, these are just some the reasons I been given on my own quest to understand why a lot of people don't like Hawke or at lest like him/her less that the Warden. For the record I DO like Hawke and think he/her has a lot of potential. Assuming BioWare bring him/her back for some DLC or even DA3. Andy the Black (talk) 20:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
The reason why many people didn't like Hawke was because in comparison to the Warden he is inferier in every single way. Basically in DAO you had your own character that you could customise to an almost unlimited amount. Then BW replaced the players well-loved character (and I've never seen a single person criticise the Warden just for character.)with Hawke who is just another character designed by a game producer. If they had removed the voiced Hawke then I would have been able to deal with him but listining to someone repeatedly say things you don't want them to say in order to get a very specific reaction, but that just did it for me. And I agree with the above posters, I wouldn't have such a fervent dislike of DA2 and Hawke if they hadn't been hyped so much as being the best game and most important character ever. Hawke was a by-stander and he was credited with being the "single most important person in Dragon Age". I would have thought Anders was, now that he's become essentially a mage replacement for Andraste.(A leading figurehead) So, in summary, Hawke is not the players character and was hyped far beyond anything he'll (probably) ever be. That's why a lot of people hate Hawke.NegativeCity (talk) 22:29, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't hate Hawke, but I'll tell you one thing, I MUCH prefer female Hawke. Male Hawke's acting is fine, but female Hawke's acting is far superior, IMO. LVTDUDE (talk) 23:05, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
- For real? I might try a femHawke, then. I need a Rogue archer playthrough anyway. Thanks for the heads-up! Quirkynature (talk) 23:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think 'why people hate Hawke' needs any more clarification. And it's not hate you have to worry about, as The Grey Unknown said. It's indifference when it's a problem.
And calm down. There's been threads about hating on Anders, Merrill and Isabela. You're not doing anything new. It's the same discussion every time for the same reasons but subject of different characters. The phrase 'join the club' comes to mind. Quirkynature (talk) 23:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
What is there to hate about "hero" Hawke?... the combat system, which is like in a bad anime movie?.. a bad character, who was hyped as the most important char in DA history while he is just a by-stander?.. it was too damn rushed, even for EA standards... but thinking that people would commit "Hari-Kari" (whatever that is supposed to be..) because their "standards" are too high, is a bad sign for game development AND EA in special... and we don't need to "take what we get" - take The Witcher 2 i.e. - it's not EA and it's perfect imho - deep, intense, your choices do actually change something (not like DA2 where it was literally unimportant whether you choose to appease the Qunari or not or whether you choose to side with the Mages or not - all the leaders died the same way no matter what you did...) while in The Witcher 2 you change the entire world map depending on your choices... "need to take what we get"? you are pretty wrong dude, stop flaming stupid nonsens about how great the game was while shouting at everyone that they should get a life... maybe YOU should get a life, 'cause seeing you complaining about everybody and everything shows just how pointless your statement was - thank you. Iorveth1271 (talk) 23:15, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Little off topic here, but not all of us can take The Witcher 2, since you know, some of us are console gamers, and don't you need like a really good computer to play The Witcher 2? That said, I am pretty excited for when it comes out on the 360 around the end of the year. Oh, and once again, I'm not siding with the OP.Liam Sionnach (talk) 23:38, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, but it's completely worth it. Every darn second. Quirkynature (talk) 00:10, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
You know that the Witcher 2 is eventually coming to the Xbox 360 right? Aleksandr the Great (talk) 23:47, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, if you'll take a second look at my last post you will see that I referenced that fact, and that I am excited for it. But that's kind of like saying, instead of taking Dragon Age 2, go play Skyrim, or Mass Effect 3. I will, when I can, but for now its not possible.Liam Sionnach (talk) 00:08, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Not to sound like a troll, but you're an idiot. If you can honestly sit there and think that your hating on Hawke-Haters is acceptable while the Hawke-Haters' hating on Hawke isn't, then do the world a favor and shut it. Like most posters before me, I was indifferent to Hawke. I was happy at the idea of having a fully-voiced character, seeing as I sometimes read a line of dialogue wrong & pick a bad option; yet I was also disappointed because I knew the summaries would be shitty, like those in Mass Effect. Hawke was an okay character, but he was nowhere near awesome enough to be the "single, most important person in Thedas". End rant. (P.S. Halo 3 was a shitload better than DA2.) --CommanderCousland (talk) 23:30, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
- PPS: Master Chief was the single most important character in Halo history. U mad, Laidlaw? Quirkynature (talk) 00:10, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I think he’s just pissed at all the bitching (from fans) that Bioware tried to evolve Dragon Age and used Hawke to do it. No, DAII wasn’t great. No, getting rid of race customization wasn’t cool. But DAII was obviously created to set the stage for DA3, and the story would’ve been damned stupid with the Warden at the center of it. Hawke was at the center of events that changed all of Thedas, the Fifth Blight only encompassed Ferelden. Hawke wasn’t necessarily as cool as the Warden, but he was necessary. As for switching topics, who hasn’t done that while on a rant? And this forum has dozens of those. They just popped up all over the place around March 8th. 168.103.93.227 (talk) 03:07, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I've just been praying that Bioware can save the series. I've put way too much time into origins for DA to flop.--Calle Cousland (talk) 03:11, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Ditto, LOL. Quirkynature (talk) 03:27, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I actually liked Hawke. Wasn't sure if I was going to like the idea of having a voiced character and only being able to be one race but as it turned out I did end up liking it. I went and did a quick playthough of origins and I realized how much I love the idea of having my character voiced. It made the game more fun and entertaining for me. In my opinion I think my mage Hawke could easily kick my mage wardens butt. Emmalee (talk) 23:06, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
Here's why I hate Hawke-
He/she tries to run from the Blight and escapes with his family, but loses a sibling along the way. (Fine, we'll chalk that up to past tragedies that make the hero grow stronger)
He/she gets into a Deep Road expedition, only to lose ANOTHER sibling (whether to death, the Wardens, or the Circle).
He/she is asked to help ease tensions between the Qunari and Kirkwall, and no matter what your actions are, the Qunari go on a rampage, managing to kill the Viscount in the process.
He/she learns of a killer on the loose with a well-established M.O., but when the same killer goes after his/her mother, he/she is unable to do anything about it, and Hawke loses Leandra as well. (I'm detecting a pattern here).
He/she invests in a mine only to have it run over by gigantic arachnids, killing several workers. Hawke takes ownership of said mine, promising them safety, and in the end, a High Dragon comes and slaughters the lot of them. (Good work, Hawke).
He/she lives in a city for ten years during which time he/she becomes a wealthy and prominent member of the community, called the Champion of Kirkwall, and yet, despite all this power and influence, is unable to stop one idiotic mage (who may or may not be Hawke's friend/rival) from committing mass murder, despite all the signs that tensions between mages and templars were coming to a violent end, thus becoming unable to stop a full-blown rebellion.
About the only accomplishments of Hawke are to survive everything thrown against him/her (which is the stuff heroes are made of), but in the process lose everything else, such as his mother, his siblings, his mine and the workers who he/she took under his protection, and also be unable to stop the events that surround him (which is NOT what heroes are made of---and why people call him an observer).
The Warden, on the other hand, suffers great personal loss at the beginning of the game, and in the process of becoming the Hero of Ferelden, saves the city of Redcliffe (twice) and its arl, kills a High Dragon, discovers the Urn of Sacred Ashes, unites Orzammar under one king, saves the Circle of Magi with the minimum loss of life, releases a race of werewolves from their lycanthropy, saves the city of Denerim, rediscovers and exorcises Warden's Keep, slays an Archdemon thereby preventing the spread of the Fifth Blight and thus saving Ferelden AND Thedas from it, then goes on to save Amaranthine from a new darkspawn threat. Mind you...he/she did that in less than ten years...and he/she did it without a single word coming from his/her mouth.
Yes, the decisions above may not have been what other Wardens did, but that's the whole point. The Warden's actions made real differences. Maybe you didn't save the werewolves. Maybe you slaughtered the elves. Maybe you destroyed the Circle of Magi. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that we altered the course of history. Hawke was more a slave to it. Hawke is tough, mind you. Despite what may or may not be said, he/she is a survivor...but on most occasions heis simply that...a survivor. Not a hero. Maybe to those people who like Hawke it's the same thing. I just tend to think that heroes should be...well...more heroic. Rath101 (talk) 00:19, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
- And that ladies and gentlemen is why a whole lot of us played this game once, maybe twice, and put it to bed for good. It's not hate for me at all, but Hawke's a moron at best. A loveable one perhaps, but still a abject failure. And it's not even his fault. It's the way the game progressed and the fact that no matter what you did, nothing ever changes that. In another setting, or a novel, that would have been fine, even enjoyable. But in a playable game? An RPG no less, it failed...spectacularly it seems for most. Well said Rath101. The Grey Unknown (talk) 00:33, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I like Hawke, but Rath101 really hit the head on the nail here. The Warden was a hero whose actions felt like they made a difference; Hawke was just a strong survivor. The Warden's actions affected the world, while Hawke's survival skill got him/her money and a nice title. I mean, as the Warden your actions really feel like they shape the story and the world around you, while as Hawke you feel like you’re just there for the ride – and what little choice you have and do doesn’t really affect the main storyline. Even who you side with in the end doesn't feel like it really matters.
- Thus Hawke, for all his/her good qualities and potential as a character, becomes almost like a bystander in the story, a point of view for the player on events that would change Thedas and set the stage for DA3. – Kerethos (talk) 03:38, June 11, 2011 (UTC)