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Why HUMAN MAGE is the BEST ORIGIN

There is more Human Mage content in the storyline- You go to the circle tower 3 times (2 origins, 1 witchhunt) Seeing Jowan 3 times (Origin story, Redcliff, Urn of Sacred Ashes) Going into the fade 4 times (1 origin, 1 circle tower, 1 connor, 1 awakening)

Interesting former mage/former templar dynamic with Alistair Similarly interesting dynamic with Sten, Shale etc

More relevant conversations with Morrigan, Wynne and Anders

The sheer irony that a mage saves everyone.

Intimidations are way funnier! (a Mage! I don’t wanna get turned into a frog!)

Hawke is Human Mage’s second cousin, so the warden and Hawke are related which plain just makes DA2 better (plus technically Human Mage is from a human noble family as well not just Human Noble)

More references in DA2 then any other Origin Leandra Cullen Bethany Hawke and Tallis

You’re a Mage! Best most versatile and potentially powerful class with the most interesting and relevant specialisations. (nuker, tank, healer/buffer, debuffer, hybrid etc) (Arcane warrior, spirit healer, battlemage, blood mage, shapeshifter etc)

Dalish elf is the next best for several variations of these reasons, but not all of them!

Need I say it, with the way it looks like DA3 is rolling around Mages just become all the more interesting. Oh and dealing with the Qunari.

Thoughts? CatharsisNZ (talk) 02:55, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


I actually always kind of thought that the mage origin was the least interesting Origin story, well...except for the Dalish origin- that was less interesting. I mean, I thought that the backgrounds the characters' had were interesting, but that the stories being told in their origins were not all that interesting in comparison to the other options.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 04:37, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


The mage origin itself is basically an introduction to life as a mage in the world of Thedas,story reflects that, but compared to all the other origins there is far more content across the various games and dlc that relate to the Human Mage than any other origin. As for the Dalish origin it has probably the second most, partly because of Mr Gaider's whole mysterious eluvian thing, just a guess =)CatharsisNZ (talk) 06:16, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Mahariel and Amell get pretty much the same exposure in DA2 - perhaps M! Mahariel more so, because of Merrill. I never was particular to Amell; my favourite was Surana and Tabris, due to the racism that is very evident in Ferelden. That, and elves seem to have an affinity to magic. Hawke might get the benefit of being related to the Warden but I don't think the Warden gives a toss about who (s)he is related to. :P-Gabriellesig 06:28, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Woohoo for Tabris and Surana! :P Elves FTW EzzyD (talk) 15:14, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amell is my favorite origin as well. Asherinka (talk) 10:33, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Mage FTW!! Nearly always play a mage in DA:O for all the reasons you have mentioned :) xP Ccg08 (talk) 11:03, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Funny, I always thought the HN is the origin which ties best with the whole Origins story - which is why I love it best :-) --Ygrain (talk) 11:53, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Human noble origins is the best because you get to rule the world as a king/queen. Mages are weak and uninteresting. --178.55.194.97 (talk) 11:58, April 12, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Best is a subjective term. Everyone gets something different from each Origin, one in particular will appeal to them more than the others. For some, yes, it is the Mage Origin. To have all that power and to be condemned for it simply because of a quirk of birth, it is intriguing. Hell, I grew up reading the likes of the X-Men as a kid so there a definitely some parallels that can make the Mage Origin interesting. But then again, my favourite Origin is the Human Noble, not because you can become King or Queen of Ferelden, but because its the closest Dragon Age comes to the classical story, of the heroic knight against the dark horde, alone save for their faithful friends. (Ok, so you can say thats the same for every Origin, but the Human Nobles ties it together a little more). In the end though, it is subjective, as it should be. --Madasamadthing (talk) 12:32, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Mages are not very appealing to me. They are just snobs to think they are better than regular people because they have magic. BAH! Arrogant bastards that's what they are. --178.55.194.97 (talk) 15:49, April 12, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

But Mage origin has Jowan, who is the most annoying character in DAO, imho. So yeah, no thanks, I'm fine with my Dalish origin.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 16:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

How dare you! Foreverjowan.png Don't cry, Jowan... They just don't understand you like I do.
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16:09, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Hooray for Elves, I always have City Elf instead though. EzzyD (talk) 16:07, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry Jowan, I just don't like whiney bastards who lie to their best friends and their lovers too, and then continue to make bad decisions which almost ruin a whole country. Off to the mage prison with you! :P
City Elf is the most depressing origin imho. Loved it!--SunyiNyufi (talk) 16:17, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Am I the only one, who's still with Human Noble? If we talk about "depressive" here, that origin definitely takes the cake. Oh, and Dog is with you from the very begining:) -Algol- (talk) 16:30, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think all of the Origins have considerable amounts of sorrow and regret in them, Human Noble is certainly more poignant, because it turns a good portion of the story into a quest of revenge (which it should be in case of HN). That said, everyone has different tastes and opinions to what kind of sadness they want in their character; that's the beauty of the Origins :) EzzyD (talk) 16:38, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
I find that your closest friends getting raped, your future husband dying because he tried to save you, and you becoming a murderer to save the others, was a bit more depressing than invaders killing all your family. Then again my judgment is clouded by everyone using this kind of background in every RPG all the time. I'm not saying that HN isn't well done though, because the family dying at least makes sense in the story and isn't done buy random orcs, like everywhere else.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 16:40, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
My Male Tabris has emotional scars from slaughtering the humans to free his bride :(. I always imagined that the guards would walk through the trails of blood in the castle and one of them would remark "By the Maker, they even killed the dogs!" EzzyD (talk) 16:46, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Well... Seeing your closest relatives, including an infant nephew slaughtered... Your childhood home burning... Leaving your parents at the hands of a demented sadist... I don't know. A matter of personality, really then. I was more struck by Human Noble, but agree with your arguments about City Elf. Anyway, one more reason to bring some change to Ferelden, and drown the enemies in the pool of their own blood:) Happy ending:) -Algol- (talk) 16:55, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Algol, the Human Noble Origin, has been and always will be my favourite origin precisely for the reasons you describe (and for my own reasons above). --Madasamadthing (talk) 17:18, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Here, here! *Clinks glasses* EzzyD (talk) 17:02, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't you see me up there? HN forever! Honour and revenge! - I think that with practically everyone the HN knew massacred, the Cousland origin is really the most brutal, with City Elf just the next in line. --Ygrain (talk) 18:14, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, Ygrain! I know you will always stand for Human Noble! But I couldn't see you behind all the mages and their text walls XD -Algol- (talk) 18:19, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I like playing human noble who doesn't want to be warden and does the whole guest doing the wrong things like killing people for fun and hurting gray wardens at process. I don't like grey wardens they are ancient history, dead before they even know it. --87.93.155.252 (talk) 18:55, April 12, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner


In comparison to most other origins though the list of stuff in the story that is relevant or exclusive to the mage is much larger than for the others. plus for us mage players the direction of DA2 and the whole Mage-Templar War was something we were more able to relate to becuase it had been relevant to us from the very beginning. CatharsisNZ (talk) 19:40, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Elves who are not mages COULD also have M-T conflict as relevant, mostly in relation to the Templars. The Dales were sacked by the Exalted Marches which can argued were spear-headed by Templar contingents; I'd be mad if I knew the Templars had led the destruction of my homeland, wouldn't you? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just mentioning that other non-mage characters could have a stake in the M-T conflict , just not quite as 'personal' to use that word. EzzyD (talk) 19:44, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
So true! Reminds of that one chantry sister at Ostagar who tried to give my Dalish Warden the Maker's blessings, to which my Warden said that she doesn't believe in the Maker, and the chantry sister called her names, and chased her away. Ahh, good times. I really love how most Bioware games are so charmingly racist in one way or the other :3--SunyiNyufi (talk) 21:08, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah! A few people even remember that Chantry sister, but a whole lot of them are so pissed off at Velanna being racist. Selective logic is so freaking selective:) I'm for elven revolution, anyway. Let's liberate Orlais from orlesians, and give it to it's rightful owners, the Dalish:)-Algol- (talk) 23:29, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yes please, let's do that! :D All hail the Dalish! On that note, I always wondered what the Grand Cleric says about my Dalish Warden not only becoming the head of the Wardens in Ferelden, but also the ruler of Amaranthine. I can't imagine the Chantry would agree with that, not even if it's the Hero of Ferelden.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 07:50, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

In case you didn't get this from my user name, the human noble is my favorite origin story. My favorite part is that trying to kill Howe is a more personal goal than defeating the Blight.--CouslandRogue (talk) 19:55, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

A fair point EzzyD; I agree but as you said it's just not quite as potentially 'personal' for other origins. CatharsisNZ (talk) 20:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Seems like everyone can agree that the dwarves are pretty irrelated to things going on in thedas throughout the games --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 04:04, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't play as a mage, because I want to be a normal person, who makes extraordinary things. I like Cty elf and dwarf commoner origins, because it's like from zero to hero, additionally they had interesting storylines. I also like playing as Cousland, because I have to avange my family, good motivation; as a dalish I can give my people own land, besides dalish had best reason to slay darkspawn, because they tainted me and my friend.

I would like to play a character that chooses to fight with darkspawn than with grey wardens or not choosing the sides at all. I choose a side of ME! --178.55.114.93 (talk) 09:34, April 13, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

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