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Okay, so I have been wanting to hear peoples theories about where Hawke and the Warden have disappeared to. If the Warden went through the Eluvian, I think that Hawke somehow went to the same place. What are your theories about where they have both gone?--Ng97 (talk) 12:05, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
I think that after Dragon Age 2, Hawke lead the mages in their war against the templars,after what happened to his sister. The Warden continued traveling around Fereldan recruiting Grey Wardens and in the next game the stories from the first two will intertwine and The Grey Warden will become involved in the Mage-Templar War because of all the mage friends he had. Or Hawke and The Warden will have to band together and finally defeat Flemeth once and for all. Another theory I have is that Flemeth is gathering an army of her own and her "helping" Hawke and The Warden was just a scheme to turn they attention away from her, because they knew what she was planning, they would have tried to stop her as soon as they met her. I'm not trying to ramble on, but I have a third theory. This last theory depends on what you chose to do in Origins. Either let Flemeth live, or kill her. My theory ties in with the decision to kill her. After her death, Flemeth is reborn as the child made by Morrigan and the Warden. When the baby is old enough, Flemeth will attack and start a war, proving the story of the Witch of the Wilds in Origins, where it said Flemeth lead an army against Fereldan and was defeated by Conobar. History will repeat itself.--Bepease22 (talk) 18:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)Bepease22
- It's good thinking with the Flemeth having an impact on Hawke. So far every individual whom she helped, vanished - king Maric, then the Warden and finally Hawke. Who knows whether she didn't do that before or even between these guys. Henio0 (talk) 17:14, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well I think that imho Bioware doesn't have a set idea on what they are going to do with that plotline and so making them dissapear is a great plot device to explain why they weren't in other countries as they got into their own problems.
I think Hawke is either dealing with the Mage-Templar war or in a future DLC may be searching for a companion of his/hers. The Warden if they went through the Eluvian (since some can't) is living with Morrigan and possibly raising their child. Otherwise maybe trying to deal with Flemeth? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:42, September 25, 2011 (UTC)The Other Warden
There's a lot of stuff to do in Thedas. And a lot of possible explanations. Maybe Flemeth is collecting them into a band of heroes or something. Maybe they've gone to another continent or just beyound the borders of the known part of Thedas. Hawke definitely has stuff to do with the start of the war, at least. Warden, he may be off hunting ancient magisters to kill them/negotiate with them.The Ranged Man (talk) 21:36, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
It's a really simple question everyone has, but it's one I hadn't really spent a whole lot of time thinking on. I feel like the plot might be that, like The Ranged Man said, Flemeth or someone else is collecting them to do something, or something to do with Darkspawn and Grey Wardens and I don't know...I feel like something big is going down with the Darkspawn/Grey Wardens, especially with the Architect and Magister Corypheus running around. Xelestial (talk) 21:55, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
I would definitely agree that I think it has something to do with Flemeth. She's definitely an important character as we keep seeing her in the series. Maybe she's gathering these heroes to help against the blight or the Qunari invasion? Anything is possible at this point and we will find out sooner or later from Bioware. Until then, Ill stick with my theories with Flemeth. I believe despite the different antagonists/vilians in each of the games, something tells me that Flemeth is the true threat somehow.... AFreeMarcher (talk) 23:35, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, there are people who actually think Flemeth is a good guy? Take a look at her character model. If you don't realize it is screaming "I'm evil!", then clearly you're not thinking.--Archon Gaius Lucius Vindicus Caesar III (talk) 23:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone ever said she was the good guy. Just because we think she might be gathering heroes to fight a larger threat doesn't mean she is good at all, but is rather perhaps manipulating events in order to ensure her survival. Xelestial (talk) 00:30, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
If the Warden have gone through the Eluvian with Morrigan, he's probably somewhere remote and far away from the current events of Thedas. As far as I know Morrigan's priority was to raise her child (possibly to use him later against Flameth with the Old God's soul inside him he should be at least match for her power) and I'm guessing the Warden is beside her, listening her moaning, whining and you know that whole smartmouth thing of her. Well I'm saying that in good way, I think that a part of her charm. But I seriously don't think Morrigan allow him to interfere how she wants to raise the child. Anyway, the Warden's story ended with the Blight. Morrigan's however just began. She sees Flameth as a great danger and wants to deal with her, and I strongly believe that is why she needed the Old God's soul in the first place, she's a cunning woman, never takes a step without thinking far ahead and never does anything if there's no personal gain, much like Flameth. So she and Flameth are rivals, and both know they're a threat to each other as long as they live. Since the Warden agrees to be with her "no matter what" he possibly shares her beliefs (or at least respects them) and will protect her and their child from anyone/anything that might do them harm, from well.. like Flameth. Personally I don't think the Mage-Templar war is something they're interested in, at least not until the child grow up. I also don't think Hawke is anywhere near the Warden. I don't see any reason for the Warden's and Hawke's paths should be crossed, at least for the time being. IF the Warden was a mage and had any sympathy for the Circle of Magi however, that's a whole other story. But still I would say Morrigan's influence on the Warden should not be taken lightly. --Heartseeker (talk) 23:44, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the Warden is with Morrigan, it is said that he disappears even if you don't follow her into the Eluvian, and even if you do when you meet Alistair in Act III, about 7 years since the Blight and 5 years and a half since Witch Hunt, Teagan will mention that the Hero of Ferelden is in Denerim. So in my opinion the Warden comes back after a time with Morrigan, and someone is putting the heroes together to fight against a coming threat, something so big and catastrophic as the changes that are coming, and Flemeth could be one or another.
My warden is in Orzamer as a paragon raising the next king and quietly plotting his evil fathers death...don't care what some seeker says it's not like she would know what's going on in that city and even if she did I am going to disregard their story twists just like they disregarded nearly every choice we made in the first game. The orlesian warden commander can deal with any more BS on the surface. Hawke is no doubt just running for his/her life after either pissing the templars off or becoming as they say a rally cry for the mages against the templars.
Felemeth leading a band of heroes? What about her that we have been seen suggests that she is the type to raise an army? If she has any involvement in future events it will no doubt just be guiding some important figure on their way again.126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:41, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
My warden didn't go into the Eluvian with Morrigan in any of my playthroughs, so him disappearing because of that is, in my opinion, out of the question. But if I was to wager a guess, I think that, for those of us who didn't go through the mirror with Morrigan, that the wardens disappearance may have to do something with the "item" that she had left behind for us at the end of Witch Hunt. After all, Morrigan did say that it would help us for what was to come, so perhaps this "item" left some sort of explanation as to what may happen in a future game, and the warden has disappeared in preparation of this supposed event. This may explain a few things in DA2 as well, like why the warden is supposedly in Denerium before his/her known disappearance, something that I always found suspicious; perhaps he/she needed to explain what he/she intends to do to Alistair, whether it was because it involved him in some way, to warn him of some coming danger, or to perhaps ask for some assistance in whatever they plan on doing. Perhaps this could also explain Hawke's disappearance as well; perhaps whatever explanation the "item" entails to the warden may directly or indirectly affect Hawke as well, seeing as for some reason Flemeth has some small extent of interest in Hawke and seeing that Flemeth is, at the moment, the only connecting link between the two protagonists. Perhaps during Hawkes flight from Kirkwall, or during his occupation as its Viscount, the Warden had some need to see Hawke, which in turn lead to Hawke disappearing as a result of whatever conspired during said meeting. All I know is that as long as that "item" from Witch Hunt remains unexplained, I'm going to assume that that is in part, responsible for what has happened to my Warden and Hawke. Sevarian10 (talk) 18:52, September 26, 2011 (UTC)Sevarian10
Since there is no definitive answer for Hawke (yet) I like to imagine that Hawke gets killed by some random nobody. Hawke is just hanging out somewhere and a Bonny Lem like rhyming crazy cult person just drops some poison in Hawke's pint. Bam! Dead. Just like that. Zambingo (talk) 20:10, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
Meanwhile my Warden is in Fadeland helping Morrigan raise the OGB into Superman. And just so OGB doesn't suffer from single child syndrome my Warden and Morrigan make with the nasty numerous times over DA2's ten year span resulting in at least two other awesome Elf/Human raven haired mage babies of heroicness. Zambingo (talk) 20:10, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
As it was said, indeed, Flemeth is by far not a good-natured character. Something about her makes me think of the Witch-King of Angmar. Maybe the iron crown, but that one's a nice touch in its own right.
If she's raising a band of heroes, it doesn't mean she is one. She may be helping the most promising people get by and rise to power and then snatch them away. Remember, she played a similar role in both the Warden and Hawke's fates - she gave the Warden the old treaties, which made Blight-fighting possible, and with Hawke, she simply saved his life, along with a bunch of others who happened to be his friends. She made their deeds possible. Obviously, someone of her disposition and general description doesn't just help people like that. It was for a reason, and both times we get to see one, though with Hawke it's more clear. ... But was it THE reason she helped them? With Hawke, maybe, but with the Warden, she likely had several schemes going on.
The worrying thing is what would be enough to force Flemeth to gather the most powerful people in Thedas to combat. She's no slouch in her own right, as she showed with style in DA2.
Or maybe she's just using them as unwitting (?) champions to control/remain in control of the world. She seems like the kind, at least.
P.S.: Hawke does seem to be fond of tampering with the unimaginable and unleashing ancient terrors. First Flemeth, then Corypheus... wonder if we will get another DLC with something to unleash, or if that's enough for Thedas to commit suicide.The Ranged Man (talk) 21:52, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with a lot of people in that Flemeth is a dragon age Nick Furry and is collecting all of Theadas' important people for something big.--Jordan Cousland (talk) 08:21, September 27, 2011 (UTC)Jordan Cousland
I just hope wherever both protagonists gone, they won't meet at some point in the future. I mean, how will they manage that, considering we created the Warden from scratch unlike Hawke who had a canon face. Even if the necessary data like race, gender, skin tone, hair color etc can be read from a save file, seriously, I don't want to see a DA2 messed up half-na'vi half-elf half-cathar version of my elven warden show up in a future game or dlc. I wouldn't recognise any elven character from Origins in DA2 if they didn't introduce themselves. --Heartseeker (talk) 20:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Despite everyone's moaning over it, I'd actually rather like to see my WArden and Hawke meet in the future. I imagine, as Leliana basically tied them to the same fate "that is no coincidence', I'd say theyre traveling together searching or trying to prevent something. They're probably wrapped up in the mage templar war by now!!! I have no problem seeing them go after the witch of the wilds for some reason, maybe her true motives?
My warden sacrificed himself, this is in keeping with the personality that I made for him. He wouldn't birth a god, however free from evil it is. So I don't think that the warden is going to be featured prominently in DA3+, because there are people like me too, who didn't even play Witch Hunt or Awakening (dead warden, didn't want to make a new orlesian one because I wanted to play DA2). I think the whole disappearing protagonist mystery is going to have more to do with Hawke, as he definitely disappears in the end no matter what. Bioware might have done this to further throw the world off its balance, because the champion can't fix [what he's broken ._.] things anymore, and so a new protagonist is left to deal with the world that the Warden and Hawke left behind. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:45, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion the Warden is should not be made a Deus Ex Machina. If the Warden return to defeat something bigger than the Blight that would be a little lame. Cause the Warden's story ended with the Blight, if he sacrified himself/herself that already the end of it. If the Warden survived however whatever choice he/she made in the end as a Grey Warden his/her task was done. Archedemon killed, Blight defeated. Awakening is optional for the Warden's story, as for all of the DLCs. That is why you have the choice to sacrifice the Warden, if he/she was meant to take part in the Awakening as an essential character, there wouldn't be such a choice. The surviving Warden may continiue his/her adventures for a little longer but in the end the Warden disappeared, as heroes always either die or leave, never to return. --Heartseeker (talk) 09:59, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
I, for one, think that my warden will apppear, or at least be mentioned(married alistair). But I do agree on this fact that it will have more to do with hawke. Honestly, I just want to find out what happened to the two of them???