Alright. I think I have a pretty good idea of where it goes, Morrigan made it quite obvious. She stated that it leads "beyond this world and beyond the Fade" Is Morrigan venturing to the Black City? Did your Warden go with her? Is this truly the end? It was a Tevinter artifact, and the Tevinter Magisters brought sin to heaven, doom upon all the world blah blah blah. So, what happened to your Warden? What happened to Morrgian? King Cousland (talk)
- It wasn't a Tevinter Artifact it was a pre tevinter artefact crafted by the elves of Arlathan. The tevinters just took it. It is pretty obvious to me, that it goes to Arlathan, and that the mirrors function was a fast way of transportation between the capital and the border areas. Now that is not to say that it does not go to the black city. Arlathan might very well be the Black city. That it was the magisters attack on the elves capital that created the fade and sent their capital to the core, that sounds like a nice twist or what do you guys think?---rphb- (talk) 22:11, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
First of all my apologies rgarding the muddle I had with the orgin of the Eluvian. Secondly, I think that's a thought provoking theory (but I don't necessarily agree with it). Now I think about it, the portal probably does lead to Arlathan, but what would Morrigan want there, maybe a place to hide her child? Any ideas?
If you look at the map of Thedas, and indeed the wiki article on Arlathan, you will see that the Arlathan Forest is an area close to Antiva, in fact just up and to the left of Antiva. I don't believe that the Eluvians would take people to Arlathan, as it is in fact "in the world" so to speak. Also, the Black City is in the Fade, and Morrigan states that the Eluvian would take her beyond the Fade, and so somehow I doubt it would take her there. Now, I hope BioWare aren't insisting it is a portal to another world, as that would start to make the storyline in the DA universe get just a little silly. However I don't actually know what, or where the Eluvian will in fact take one who steps through, and somehow I doubt we will find out. Finally, to the comment above, correct me if I'm wrong but we were told that the OGB wasn't necessarily canon? So there is no reason for BioWare to include anything else to do with the child after Witch Hunt, however I hope that I'm wrong there. Personally the whole idea of the OGB is intriguing to me :D But anyway, that's my two cents. WardenCommander17 (talk) 23:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
The Old God Baby is not canon for everyone, no. However, having done the Dark Ritual myself, I'd say that it looks like the Old God Baby is still very much in play for us ritual-doers after Witch Hunt. Some folks thought (and I feared) that the DLC would shut the door on the Old God Baby; if that was the case, we surely wouldn't have Morrigan talking about preparing the child for its destiny to come. As to where the Eluvian leads? Mass Effect universe, duh! At last we know why Admiral Xen of the Quarian fleet has Morrigan's voice! It all makes sense now! (Note: That was a joke. But it would still be awesome in its sheer cheesiness if it were true.)--DarkAger (talk) 00:03, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Im not sure where but I believe its more Important to know when I think it leads to somewhere in the future(but not mass effect universe) I believe she hints to that when she talks to you.--Gdubs (talk) 00:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
The black city may be in the fade, but the elven people have a heaven too and a hell (or "abyss"). it could lead there. and maybe thats where the OGB is. possibly even following that one theory that the elven gods and the old tevinter gods are one and the same, it would make sense that OGB could be there. How many different endings are there? ive noticed three so far: **Spoilers** 1.Morrigan goes into the portal alone. 2.morrigan and the warden kiss and go into the portal together and 3. you stab morrigan and she dies (maybe) and falls backward into the portal. Any others? ***end spoilers*** --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 00:30, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so I happen to think that it might lead to the black city. It would make sense seeing as it is technically IN the Fade but unreachable through it. That would also explain better how the Archons were able to reach the city and no one else has. I mean any group of blood mage apostates COULD do it, (but probably wouldn't). It also might lead to a place where the Old Gods resided before the Maker threw them down. It would make sense seeing as the OGB is apparently already there. Or it might lead somewhere else? But spectating on the OGB, I did the ritual and she still said I refused her. I rather like the idea of having a son with the soul of a b.a. dragon in him. And what's the deal with Flemeth? Maybe she is the soul of an old god too. This would explain how she knew about the ritual. And her appearance (if i rember correctly) coincided with the end of the first blight or around said time. Hello Dumat in old bag lady form. This would also explain her unnatural power. So ya... If you would like to talk more about my talk page is open. (Anatres 221 02:07, September 9, 2010 (UTC)Antares 221)
This is a little off topic, but has anyone thought that the Old God's taught the Magisters how to Fade Shapeshift? Like the Warden does in the game, you know, Mouse, Spirit, Burning Man and Golem Forms? Surely it wouldn't be that much of a step forward for the Old God's to teach them how to Fade Shapeshift into Dragons and fly to the Black City? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but just because in DA:O we can't get to the Black City, doesn't mean it is impossible? WardenCommander17 (talk) 13:21, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
@WardenCommander17, you're using logic in a spiritual world which is shaped by dreams and the minds of the spirits that inhabit that realm. I imagine the Black City would be like the horizon, it doesn't matter how fast you travel, it doesn't what mode of transprtation you use, you might reach a set point but the horizon will always be ahead of you, in much the same way that it wouldn't matter if you could shapeshift into any flying creature, the Black City would always be out of reach.--Madasamadthing (talk) 13:36, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
I believe it leads to some sort of God-Jail, where all those outcast gods are imprisioned. It may be Arlathan (the Sunken Elves must be powerful enough by now to rival a God in power, manipulating events like Flemeth does) or the Black City (the Maker, if he's real, has overthrown the other Gods to rule alone in the world), or even somewhere else, maybe some sort of Hell or Demon-Infested area of the Fade, or something like that, but I believe it leads to some sort of Purgatory... And the greatest weapons are aways chained in the depts (not necessarily depts as in bellow... Ah, you got it!). The Bard From Hell (talk) 16:24, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- The Fade were created after Thedas, I have proven this, the question is when was it created. It could be either, by a long lost civilization predating the founding of Tevinter, or it could be with the destruction of Arlanthan. It disapered from the face of the world, it was thrown into an empty space, a space that formed The Fade. Arlanthan would then be the Black City and the portals created by the Arlantheans would then led to their old capital, now in the fade yet somehow beyond. I think that this is the explanation that makes the most sense. -rphb- (talk) 18:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and that dosn't disagrees with what I said: it could be Arlathan, but I believe it has turned into some sort of Hell/Purgatory, a prision were semi-divine mages (the elves of old, infused with tons of lyrium would turn into basically walking atomic bombs in firepower), kept in check in such a way that they could never get out. I know that if I go on in this it shall be off-topic, just wanted to make clear that my theory can work with basically all others. By the way, nice move with the Fade, really smart. The Bard From Hell (talk) 18:14, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, but I actually posted it a mount ago before Witch hunt had even been announced. I don't believe that The Black City is populated though, it is black for a reason, it is either desolated or the home for my "Drow" race (Although I previosly suggested Arlathan to be physically in a cave below it's old location, but we never know.-rphb- (talk) 18:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and that dosn't disagrees with what I said: it could be Arlathan, but I believe it has turned into some sort of Hell/Purgatory, a prision were semi-divine mages (the elves of old, infused with tons of lyrium would turn into basically walking atomic bombs in firepower), kept in check in such a way that they could never get out. I know that if I go on in this it shall be off-topic, just wanted to make clear that my theory can work with basically all others. By the way, nice move with the Fade, really smart. The Bard From Hell (talk) 18:14, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- I am not sure as to how you have proven that the Fade was created after Thedas. Although somewhat dubious, Chantry teaching states that the Fade was the Maker's first attempt at creation, with Thedas being the second. As to the rest of your theories... wtf? Emil Olai (talk) 20:27, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Never expected this topic to be revived, but oh well
. I believe I can answer your question. -rphb-'s theory was something along the lines of, the Fade is younger because everything within it is a (poor) copy of something within physical Thedas. Arlathan was not sunk by magisters, but "transported" (hence the use of the blood of 600 slaves and two thirds of the lyrium in Tevinter). Personally, I think it's a pretty good theory 
King Cousland | Talk 20:38, October 6, 2011 (UTC) - The lives of the 600 slaves and the lyrium was used during the ritual that permitted the Magisters to enter the Black City. I cannot remember excaclty when nor by whom, but that was what was stated by one of your companions in DA:O. It also seems silly that the Magisters would want to enter the Golden City if it really was Arlathan, having been placed in the Fade by the Tevinter Empire in the first place! I do, however, find it to be a viable theory that Arlathan was not really "sunk" but transported to another realm. Whether the Eluvian leads to Arlathan or not, on the other hand, is highly speculative. Emil Olai (talk) 05:09, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Never expected this topic to be revived, but oh well
- I am not sure as to how you have proven that the Fade was created after Thedas. Although somewhat dubious, Chantry teaching states that the Fade was the Maker's first attempt at creation, with Thedas being the second. As to the rest of your theories... wtf? Emil Olai (talk) 20:27, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
HMMMMMMM.... Black City, unreachable, like the horizon? I have to say that nothing is unreachable, nothing. Sure it might take you time to reach the Black City, but it can be reached. The Tevinter Magisters reached it, of course they had help to do it, that is if you buy into what the Chantry is spewing. So, those who weld Magic should be able to reach it with a little help. But, who knows.
However, I think that the Eluvian's were in the world long before even the Elven people came to what is not Thedas. The Elven people just had open minds and figured out how they worked. I believe these Eluvian Mirrors lead to places all over the world and not just to places in Thedas. And, if that is the case then Morrigan's statement that the Baby is in a safe place would be accurate, because only she knows where the child is. I also believe that when one steps through the Eluvian one has to know or at least some idea of where they want to go. I am sure that Morrigan found this out on her travels. Anya (talk)19:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
It says that all of the fade is the same distance from the black city, no matter where you go in the fade, the city is the same distace away. (I asume the fade is situated like a circle, or a sphere) but, logically, if you somehow got closer to the city, you would no longer be in the fade, because the fade is always a set distance away from the black city, therefore you cant get to it via the fade. The horison is actually a fantastic analogy for it. --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 19:33, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- That fits into my Ancient Civilization thesis, but with unreachebel you must understand it like an equation. In f(x)=X^-1 x never reaches zero, it gets closer and closer but it never gets there. Some places are unreachable by conventional channels like the equation, some places are practically unreachable by conventional channels like the stars.
- In the Fade the Black City is like Madasamadthing said it's horizon. It is the zero in X^-1. The Black Fade is equidistant to every point in the fade, just like the centre of the universe is equidistant to any point in the universe and the centre of Earth is equidistant to any point on the surface of the earth (practically so Warpaint I know about the poles but just follow me okay)
- In this regard you cannot reach the centre by travelling along the conventional space, you need to travel through a higher dimension through a hyperspace. It is unique in the Fade that the centre is visible, light shouldn't be able to travel through the hyperspace unassisted and unbended, this can be explained with that the Fade is not physical and does in fact not have objects. It is what I in my latest essay "How we know we don't live in Matrix" what I call a VI type universe. It holds both the second and the third subject but no objects. I hadn't really imagine how such a universe would look like before DA:O was published, great work BW team.-rphb- (talk) 19:38, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
What if Eluvian is a time portal and brings Morigan and her child to past, in order for her child to be the Maker or Andraste? Cause who is better to be a prophet than someone whocomes from the future. (Sorry if there is something wrong with my post. I'm new to this)
Taz.bones (talk) 17:50, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Timetravel is impossible, and would also be stupid. It has no place in such universe. Frozenkex (talk) 18:48, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
Evidently it led the the real world...174.45.9.40 (talk) 18:40, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
- I do not understand this reference. Is it supposed to be a joke? Emil Olai (talk) 05:47, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
Before the DA2 backlash i wonder if Hawke was created as the Flemeth champion and somehow you were they key for Flemeth to return to the black city. Now i believe in DA3 at some point you will choose to help Flemeth or Morrigan conquer or save Thedas and the black city plays a role. Somehow Hawke and wardens are in the game as represenatives of the 2 factions and you can have a brief interaction with one or both (sort of like the advisors to bhelen or Harromont) and they assign you tasks (probably one has to do with the black city)but you can always change your mind at the end and betray one of them171.159.194.11 (talk)Maxx Cousland.
I think this might be a pointless plea, but it's really better to ignore everything -rhpb- says. Ever. It's just a matter of time before he starts dragging the 'Hitler must be defended because' arguments into this topic, too. And here I go, ignoring my own advice...
The Fade was created first. It's there in the Codex. Even if you disregard the Codex version as the chantry version, you have in no way 'proven' that the Fade was created after the physical world. It's stated pretty clearly that the spirits of the Fade actively shape the Fade in semblance of what they see in the minds of dreamers, which is why it looks so surreal. The Fade could just as easily have been nebulous and shapeless until the creation of the physical world and its denizens, which allowed the spirits to conceive the forms the Fade now takes.
Arlathan was a physical place. Not the Black City. Not in the Fade. I have no idea where people get this idea. Especially since someone who actually WENT to the Black City has now cropped up in the story, and who certainly would have noticed if Dumat just shuttled him to that hole in the ground southeast of the capital.
Crazy theories with no basis in the game aside, we're on topic, now. I think it was left deliberately vague as to where the Eluvian leads. The one that Tamlen and the Dalish Warden encountered led apparently to the Deep Roads, or to the Black City itself, based on Tamlen's comments and the fact that he got a face full of the Taint. Even that's not set in stone.
We're also assuming that they all lead to the same place, or can't be made to lead somewhere else. Morrigan may not be the soccer mom type, but even I doubt she wants to raise the kiddo in the heart of Taint City. Y'know, especially considering what happened the last time he came in contact with the Taint. She evidently sent the kid through before the Warden arrived, and was about to join him when she sensed their approach. So, wherever it leads to, I doubt it's the Black City. Perhaps the Eluvians have their own pocket dimension for a communication channel? Populated with tiny fuzzy blue.. Wait. That's Nightcrawler. Nevermind.
MathiasAmon (talk) 22:17, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. While Tamlen's comments seem to suggest that what he saw was somewhere in the Deep Roads, or at least underground, this guarantees by no means that it was Arlathan, nor that what he saw was the only place to which it could lead. Heck! We do not even know whether or not it could lead him to the place(s) he saw. In codex entries about the Eluvian and the Arlathan Elves, it is merely theorised that they where used as means of communications and transportation. How this would function is highly speculative, though it seems sure that they could be used for scrying. It might well be that Tamlen did see Arlathan, but if the mirror could lead him there, or only to realm mentioned by Morrigan, is by no means sure.