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I happen to like Isolde, for quite a few reasons, but I'm just curious if there are any other odd ducks out there who happen to like characters that you wouldn't expect. 110.55.130.121 (talk) 11:35, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I very much liked the Arishok: "FIXING YOUR MESS IS NOT A DEMAND OF THE QUN!". I also always liked Cullen, even when he was a basket case in the Circle Tower in Ferelden. I also liked Ser Cauthrien, from that moment in Ostagar when she realizes what the Teryn meant to do. You can see she wasn't party to his plot in the surprise and disgust in her reaction. I really hoped at some point there would be a chance to get her to stand up to Loghain, but it didn't happen. In her backstory, I guess that makes sense, but even Loghain's own daughter throws him under a bus when given the chance. Loghain deserved the daughter he got in Anora, but Cauthrien was too good for him. --+|| Legionnaire Scout -- talk ||+ 12:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

It depends much on what is defined as "unpopular". Because 'LegionnaireScout', has chosen the Arishok, and his unpopularity can only come from the fact that he is one of the major antagonists of the games. As a character though, he was well voiced and very believable. If it's along those lines, then I would pick Knight Commander Meredith - and to quote her "If you cannot tell me a better way, do not brand me a tyrant!".

On a different level, I would say Merill. I know that allot of people find her irritating, but I can't help but like her Innocent nature coupled with her lack of understanding about the corruption of blood magic. Plus their is the fact that she is voiced by Eve Myles, who plays Gwen Cooper in Torchwood.

I also found it hard, in the end not to like, and respect Loghain. My warden, and he fundamentally were very alike. King Callin was a fool, who didn't deserve to be King. Arl Eamon shouldn't continue to try to maintain his blood line, when their isn't anything good about it. What got me is, why A. My female Cousland Warden had no say in the landsmeet, despite in the absence of her brother her being the Teryn of Highever. And B. the fact that it was never suggest nor aloud that she take the throne in her own right. People said that her father would have made a better king than Calin. And she was of pureblooded noble linage as ancient and respected as Calins. And yet Eamon didn't even consider her a possible candidate. Alister was a bastered, Annora was neo-nobility - and yet they were the only choices. But yeah, Logain, in the end did want was best for Fereldon and Calin defently wasn't.

Taken from a left-field, finally a character you wouldn't expect would have to be Sister Theohild, the women who substitues religious words for food when speaking the chant of light. "The Veal holds no uncertainty for her, and she will know no fear of death, for the Maker shall be her bacon and her shield, her foundation and her--". Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} File:SithEmblemTOR.PNG 13:53, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you don't think there's anything great about the bloodline of Maric the Savior, Moira the Rebel Queen, and Calenhad the Silver Knight, you make thee average tree stump seem like Carl Sagan. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 15:18, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Loghain is a Teyrn and does not vote, either, and neither does Eamon - it seems that the contending parties are barred from vote.

As for Cousland's right to the throne, this is about the succession line: they are not of Calenhad's lineage, and they have absolutely no legal claim to the throne. In a situation when there are no direct heirs, a bastard or a spouse who has been a successful co-ruler are still more plausible claimants than anyone else, no matter the status. - Not to mention that proclaiming yourself without gathering support first would do no good. --Ygrain (talk) 05:40, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Your right, I suppose, on some level. Although the terms of the Landsmeet means that a "noble" must gather support from the Banorn in order to receive and retain the throne, hence any claim with support is "legal" or legitimate. Bryce Cousland did have a notible level of support from the Banorn, with many thinking he would be a better King than calin, whist we dont know how high (or whether he would have accepted his nomination) that does make the Couslands a legitimate choice. Spouses or bastereds have as in direct claim as another noble does, hence why the landsmeet decided rather than the line of sucsession. Anora is also a commoner, many thought her infidelity was a punshiment from the maker for putting a commoner on the throne. We don't know that Eamon or Loghain don't vote, remember that we didn't see every person in the chamber vote. For the good of Ferelon, the best outcome is Anora and Cousland on the throne, for if there isn't a powerplay, Fereldon enters a new golden age not seen since Calanhad. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} File:SithEmblemTOR.PNG 15:40, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

When everybody was pledging their supports in the Landsmeet, I always wanted the opportunity to say: "Highever stands with the Grey Wardens!". That would have made my day. Mandalore 20:27, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

In DA:O I've always had an unlikely softspot for Anora, and usually support her bid for the Throne. I tend not to harden Alistair and I've always thought Anora is more of a victim than a scheming witch. --NickyStuu (talk) 14:26, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

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I too am a big fan of Ser Cauthrien, in my first playthrough of Origins I remember being so relieved and glad that I was given the choice to avoid having to fight her. She is definitely my favourite NPC in Origins, and I personally wish she had been recuitable because she did deserve so much better than she got (also, she has such a pretty voice :P). I also really like Petrice, sure she's a complete bitch and I disapprove of some of the things she does, but nevertheless I do find myself liking her quite a lot. Oh, and of course I absolutely love Velanna. In fact, to be honest there are a lot of characters that I like that can be classed as unpopular in one way or another, so I'll just leave it that. Violet Rogue (talk) 15:37, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Does Anders count? Here's everyone's all "Wah terrororrist!", but on Bioware's Spastic Network his fangirling thread is so massively ~*squee*~ I'm getting teeth cavities by merely clicking on it. Nonetheless, I like both Isolde and Anora, too. Isolde is essentially ultimate mama bear, I love mama bears. Anora is Machiavellian politician who's also a beautiful, smart woman. In her place, I'd have denied connection with the Warden in the Howe incident, too. Dorquemada (talk) 15:49, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'm an Anora fan too. But I'll go with Carver. It sounds like most people here think he's an annoying, whiny, selfish prick. And he kinda is on some levels. But I find him to be a very sympathetic character because his entire life is defined an overshadowed by what Hawke does. I can't blame him for being angry and frustrated that he has almost no control over his own life. It's gotta suck having your life defined by being Hawke's brother and everything you will ever do will pale in comparison to that fact. TKismyname (talk) 16:27, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sigrun. She isn't hated, but rather ignored. I'm also a big fan of Merrill. --Appleseater (talk) 16:53, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree I like that umlike Velanna whom constantly B***** about how all humans are evil and blahblabblabala. Sigrun is more practical, plus as someone whom is in the legion of the dead, She is very perky.--SirXblade (talk) 20:00, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm not an Isolde hater. Yeah, she did incredibly stupid things, but she did them in what she thought was in the best interests of her child. And being willing to sacrifice herself to save Connor gives her lots of points in my book.

And like @TKismyname, I'll go with Carver, too, for many of the same reasons. One reason I like Legacy so much is it's an adventure I can take in Acts 2 or 3 with Carver. Gruedragon (talk) 17:46, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Seconding that on Isolde. She is nowhere next to likeable, and definitely stupid, but, yeah, the sacrifice improves her standing with me a lot.

Whom I really like is Cauthrien - I am even willing to forgive her that she dragged my Warden to Fort Drakon. She is in a really difficult position: owing all she has ever been to Loghain, and watching her hero slowly becoming a twisted caricature of himself. I was glad to be able to make her step down. What happened to her afterwards, I wonder? --Ygrain (talk) 05:40, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

The game doesn't seem to be very sure what happens to Cauthrien - although her codex says she was killed if you beat her in a fight, she still appears at the wardens funeral if Loghain also survived. As I also like Cauthrien, I prefer to think she survived (if I didn't get her to stand down) and continued to serve in the Ferelden army. --TheTeaMustFlow(talk) 08:45. Oct 2, 2011, GMT

Strangely enough, the moment before killing him, I actually felt sorry for Loghain and somehow understood that he only did what he felt he had to do.Noctarius (talk) 10:43, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Not many people on here seem to like Isabela, whereas she's probably my favourite character in 2. S13Kuro [talk] 12:11, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Loghain and Aruishok are actually two of my favourite characters. --Cpt. Miller (talk) 13:09, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Seba—Okay, I can’t even lie in typing. I still love DA2 Anders {I feel a need to specify because that’s the one everyone seems to rag on} Fan-girling aside, I understand him. He’s snippy and abrasive to all of the other companion characters because who in the world can he trust? I’ve always thought it was rather out of character for both Avaline and Fenris to stand back and never turn him in, regardless of Avaline knowing he was helping people and Fenris not wanting to be turned back in as a slave; her great sense of justice and his ‘slaves and mages being captive are completely different’ could kick into over-drive at any minute and he’d turned into a zombie in seconds {with his record of escapes there’s no way he’d just be taken in}. When characters prove they can actually be trusted {Hawke} he’s a total sweet-heart and a fantastic friend. Secondly, Carver. Most people seem to be Bethany fans {for personality or boobs, I do not know} but the only people I know that are as kind and sweet as she is are actually the most two-faced people I know who are actually the cruelest to not only people they dislike but their own friends. Carver, I get. Sure, he complains a bit more than need be because his sibling is the ‘talented’ one, but he’s talented as well, just no one is giving him any recognition, I’d be frustrated too. But he jokes, he gets upset, he apologizes, and at times can really enjoy what he’s doing (Grey Warden Carver to be sure, he’s in part of a secret order that he can lord over his sibling!) and just seems more... Human, to me than Bethany does. I think that’s it... Someone said they like Cullen, and I do to, but I don’t know many people that vocally dislike him. Mrs.AlistairTheirin 14:23, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really tempted to say Hawke here, but I think I'll leave that one alone. ;) Can't really think of any unpopular characters from Origins that I like right now. From DA2: I like Isabella, Carver and Merril. All of witch seem to get a lot of heat. Andy the Black (talk) 14:43, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm also an Anora-fan, actually. I also have a soft spot for Loghain. in Dragon Age 2 it's probably Carver (I've always preferred him to Bethany.)--Jaarlitar (talk) 19:56, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anora and Loghain are the most prominent ones from Origins. From DAII, I'd go with Meredith. While she was mad and over-zealous, I also felt like she was also a victim, left scarred by a dementing childhood experience. She seemed so...alone, and appeared to genuinely regret what she felt she had to do. King Cousland | Talk   20:15, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Like the others I am also an Anora and Loghain fan. They have a very deep reasons on why they become like what they are now. Anora was a strong woman who don't want to be controlled by her husband Cailan. That's why she is so dependent to herself and doesn't want to help others. While Loghain in the other hand is willing to do everything to save his people that he even abandon Cailan because he sees that Cailan is an unworthy to be a King and that Cailan would self-destruct Ferelden if he continues not taking his position seriously.    Asteral9 | Talk  20:46, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Velanna. I honestly have no rational explanation as to why I like her(If I had to guess, I'd say the fact that my character in the first playthrough of Awakening had been abandoned by his lover and was never the kind of guy to care about extra-romantic activities[read bigamy], and she was the only party member I could stand to look at.), but I never really got angry at her for distusting humans. Let's face it, the humans have been complete dicks to the elves, and she was led to believe that humans had killed her sister. Other than that, I always liked Cauthrien for her loyalty to what she believed. --CommanderCousland (talk) 21:28, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know many people dislike Merril, and I do dislike how they completely changed her in Da2 but ignoring that I love the character. People say she is naive but she is well aware of the dangers of what she is doing going as far as to ask others to kill her if worst comes to worst, her problem is that no one trusts her and people like the keeper go and get and get themselves killed for her sake. Not that she inspires much faith so I can't really blame them too much but underneath the weak exterior she is quite strong and doesn't need to be babied. I also love how she responds to the typical "blood magic is evil" and the whole demons chantry spiel from characters like anders and fenris. She is naive about more normal matters though and thus is quite adorable, it's also awesome to watch the cute little thing explode when people do try to baby her like if you withhold that tool.174.45.9.40 (talk)

Gorim. --ShiftyApparition (talk) 22:15, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I would have to say Carver. I didn't like him at first because of his attitude towards me being older and a mage. But when I did a playthrough were he became a Grey warden my feelings toward him changed. At the end when I sided with the mages (which I always do) the convo that me and him had showed me that he had changed and didn't have really that much hatred towards me. Then when I played through legacy as him being a warden it made me like him even more. It was his whole attitude after he bacame a warden that did it for me. Emmalee (talk) 01:48, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I would also have to say I liked Isabela. She was so hilarious and have great sense of humor. I always love the comic reliefs in games and I saw her as one. But the biggest one for me...probably Bodhan. I always loved it when I saw him appear. 71.214.24.206 (talk) 02:31, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. I like Merrill. It took some time to like her, but I think that at least with Merrill, even though she knows that what she's doing is wrong, and can be considered "evil" she still does what she's intended to do. She has a path and she follows it, even though it's a bad one. Unlike Anders, she knows that ALL spirits/demons are evil, and she's not hypocritical like Anders and Fenris. (Dont get me wrong I like them all.) Other than that I like Loghain. Strangely. What he did wasn't right, and nothing can justify it but he had a goal and he was doing what he thought was right in his head. I felt a little bad killing him, and reading his past made me grow a soft spot for him. --Tsukahime (talk) 08:00, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

While he's not exactly unpopular Anders from DA2, I like him a lot more than Awakening's version as I've just gotten back to Awakening after a few months and after DA2 4-5 times. Awakening Anders while funny is a bit of a dick with his tone about his mage issues that are present in Awakening, maybe just Greg Ellis's voice maybe that makes me like him less (heard him a too much in the Main Campaign as random NPCs and Cullen, and twice in the stone prisoner, damnable lazy DA:O DLC) anyway... He has mostly the same battle cries in Awakening that he does in DA2 but Adam Howden does a much better job with him, in direct comparison. My mage F!Hawke's always give it up for Anders. Tommyspa (talk) 08:15, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Anders is my favorite character in the franchise, Zevran is my nigga, dawg, I think the Arishok is great. "Friend and enemy blend together in this sea of filth. I can barely discern one group from another. But.. As this clearly means something to you, I acknowledge the risk taken," one of my favpritee lines. Bhelen, I think too. And.. a lot of people seem to dislike Oghren, fuck those people. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 15:12, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

From Origins, I have to say that I liked Loghain. At first I was thinking, "You bastard! How could you leave us all to die?!" But after thinking it over during the course of the game, I think Loghain really was trying to protect the throne from what he thought were the incapable hands of Cailan. I think he truly believed that asking for help from the Orlesians would result in another war, and anyone who played the DLC Return to Ostagar knows that Cailan had indeed contacted the Orlesians for assistance against the blight. I don't think Loghain could take seeing Fereldan occupied once again, and he did what he thought was right, even if it caused much more death than was necessary.

As for DA2, I'd pick both Anders and Merrill. A lot of people hate Anders for what he did at the end of Act 3. I don't. I saw a person who was pushed to the brink, and when his leader (Orsino) was unwilling to protect the mages from Meredith's wrath, he stepped in to force change. I agree with Anders that there was no possibility for negotiation, and that's why I understand his actions. Merrill I like just because you can see the blind determination she has to reclaim elvhen history, and like a teenager takes every criticism and throws it away, convinced of her own rightness. Only after seeing the pain and death caused by her actions, which were predicted all along by everyone around her, does she open her eyes and truly realize she was wrong. I like seeing Merrill come to this realization, especially in a rivalmance. --Atradia (talk) 16:27, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why do you think an apostate ex-Grey Warden would consider the First Enchanter his leader? And Orsino wasn't unwilling, he was ineffectual due to Meredith having too much power and the Grand Cleric not stepping up. Gruedragon (talk) 17:58, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I've always loved Bann Ceorlic and his "I st-st-stand by Looooooghaaaain! Wuh-wuh-we've no chance of victory, otherwise!" Looking at his picture, on the wiki, right now... and that guy over his left shoulder looks a whole lot like a younger Arl Howe Futonrevoltion (talk) 23:50, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Isolde. Well mainly because when she talks it makes me laugh. I like to laugh at pixels tis fun. :P But on a more better note. Anders what he did at the last part of the end act was how can i say this. Pretty cool looking? The Chantry never did anything for me, so I thought well what the hell. And if another Archdemon decides to show its face again well make that same thing again, and blow it sky high in style :]--XOAeros (talk) 12:29, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly? I don't mind Sebastian all that much, in fact I quite like him.... Admittedly I haven't hit Act 3 yet but despite the fact he's a bit of a maker botherer I fins him to be a rather nice guy. - Luke1608

Ser Perth! He was so sweet and a gentleman. Wish my warden could flirt with him....if I had been in there I would have given him a kiss myself! The way he talks to the warden and what he says, just makes him a character I like. Plus, Seamus. I liked how he stood up for what he believed in, even if people didnt like it. AFreeMarcher (talk) 18:15, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm with those who say Loghain and Anora whilst understanding those who detest them. I actually set it up in my game so I saved Loghain so I could sacrifice him and you find that he admits himself he made a huge mistaktes in letting his paranoia about the Orlesisans get the better of him and given that Cailen was flirting with the Empress he wasn't entirely without justificaction especially since it a betrayal of Anora too- in that the abandonment of Cailen to die was almost justified it was everyone else who died that was the tragedy especially Duncan (I didn't play a noble so the slaughter of the Couslands doesn't come into it) but he seems to acknowledge this and is willing to die to pay for his mistakes. I found myself liking his straightforwardness and I think some of what he did may have down to the influence of that slimeball Howe who may have encouraged Logahin 's paranoia for his own ends - I'd put nothing past him. Loghain struck me as a warrior who wasn't really suited to be a politican unlike his daughter. Anora is a cold person and a supreme pragmist who will do what will get the job done and retain her position but she isn't evil and I think someone who doesn't what to be side-lined because she's wasn't born a man or because of the actions of her husband and father is understandable - she's one hell of a public speaker and gives glory where glory is due after the battle. I do think I did the right thing in marriaging her to Alister - he is her complimentary opposite and has the heart, warmth and willingness to the unpopular thing if it's right that she lacks and if you harden him he learns much from her shrewdness and willingness to act upon what she thinks needs to be done.

I liked Anders and I think he's a man dirven to do a desparate thing as no one seems to be doing anything to stand up for his people. He acknowledges himself that it may not be right but he can't see another way. Merril is a contradiction but she's meant to be I loved her (for all the reasons others do) and at times wanted to slap her (for all the reaons she's hated) and I think she was a well designed character in that respect.

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Fenris, Arishok, Anders, Sebastian to some degree. Xelestial (talk) 19:05, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I love the Arishok... and even though what Anders does pisses me off and bothers me to no end, I find his character incredibly intriguing. He is an incredibly interesting character, especially if you consider him in Awakening and how he has changed... I don't know if he counts though, since there are plenty of people who love him out there... I would have to say Meredith. She's a crazy bitch, but a bad-ass crazy bitch. And in Origins... I don't know really... I would have to say Logain.--Ser Mea (talk) 16:43, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Merrill, for all the reasons stated above, and because she is so damn cute! Also, she's the only romance option in DA 2 that's isn't all melodrama. Andres and Fenris are both "don't love me, I'll hurt you, I'm evil, you're too good for me!" and Isabela goes out of her way to declare that love isn't for her by over sexualizing everything. Merrill is sweet, honest, and accepts Hawke's affection at face value. She's like Alistair in that sense, which is somewhat ironic given that the two would probably hate each other. --Sandal Amell (talk) 19:18, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I actually thought Isabela's romance was such a relief after doing Anders' and Fenris several times. It seemed so simple and sweet, though of course not as easy as what I've seen of Merrill's, which is very endearing even if the girl drives me nuts sometimes. Xelestial (talk) 00:26, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I think Flemeth was one of my favourite characters in the games. There is so much about her that we don't know, many rumours and mistruths but little fact. I will be interested to see if they reveal what she truely is in Dragon Age 3. I'm also a trekkie so its good to see/hear Captain Janeway without that Chakotay fellow hanging around (shame Tuvok and Reg Barclay are in though lol). I also liked Rendon Howe, and while his character was less complex than some others and seemed to be driven more by his greed and ambition, I felt he made for a mid-game good boss (especially for human noble characters). Zebramanii (talk) 02:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Of the party members, my favourite characters were Oghren & Leliana from Origins, Anders from Awakening/DA II and Varric and Anders in DA II. I enjoyed the conbversations with Oghren and his banter with the other party members. I thought Leliana was cute (partly due to the accent) while with Varric, I liked that even though his business dealings were not always above board, he was often looking out for the other party members. Anders I liked but I'm not quite sure why. At first I didn't like him that much but after playing Awakening and DAII he has started to grow on me. Zebramanii (talk) 02:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sister Petrice. I like how dedicated she is. I like that she perfectly represents my views on the overzealeous. I like that she tells me where to go to kill that bastard tempar what's his name. I like how she stirs up Kirkwall to the point that Hawke can become the champion. I like her manner when she tries to hire darktown thugs. I like watching her almost get robbed in that alley. I really like watching her get reprimanded by the grand Cleric and I really LOVE watching her die. The only thing I really don't like about her is that I can't kill her. Yep, Petrice is all right in my book.--Isolationistmagi (talk) 02:42, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

It's DA2's Anders all the way for me. I think the reason many don't like him is the whole super-terrorist thing. We don't want Bin Laden or Timothy Mcveigh as a role model and Anders fits into that same mold. but despite the fact that Anders is funny, smart, romantic and yes.....sexy, he is a compelling character. I have always felt that DA2 is not about Hawke but about how Anders starts the war. Hawke has always seemed a facilitator to me. I usually romance Fenris but when he leaves, it's Anders I turn to. Great romance scenes! He has some great dialog in MOTA with a female Hawke lover that's fun too.

DA:O was Cullen even though I played as a mage and never sided with him, and I was a female so he had a crush on me which made me giggle. DA:O-A, Nathaniel I loved how much he hated me and I'd be as nice as pie! DA2 Andres, I'd forgive that man with his sad tortured look any day :P Can't help it complicated relationships with these pixelated men, is probably the only drama I can handle and do over and over again ;)  Hollowness | Talk | Contr 02:51, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I always tend to go with the 'whiny bitches' (as many call them) like Anders and Alistair. So I suppose they are kinda hated? Anyways, I think I have a weakness for men who actually shows there feelings. It's so cute! I must say that Cullen is also a favourite, because he had a crush on me, and was so shy, haha! (: But I really hate Anora! Even though I understand her, and it is hard with the father she has, but I just can't forgive her for trying to exile Alistair! I swear that if she did it, I would kill her and run off with my companions, including Alistair, and turn away from the Blight, so it would consume the land! Then I would have my vengeance! Buuuuuuuut, I'm too good hearted to risk innocent peoples lives. I would consider it though. Anyways, I also like Fenris even though I disagree completely with him. I've done so many things that I would only do for him. Isn't Jowan hated too? If so, I would say that I like him just fine. He did so many horrible things, but he did it to get away from the Circle. The way they keep the mages.. 'tis unfair. But that's another disscusion. (; --NanoNinja (talk) 21:26, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Nice thread:) My choices would be:

• Merrill. Can't possibly realize why so many people hate her. Blood magic - I see nothing wrong with blood magic, demon consorting - I would not recommend that, but sometimes desperate times need desperate measures. But the main point is that for me, Merrill brings the words 'cute' and 'adorable' to a whole new level:)
• Anders in DAII. People are quick to brand him a 'terrorist', even if there is no such thing as 'terrorism' in fictional Dragon Age universe. Mixing up a video game and real life is not a good idea. On the whole I do support his ideas and would change little, if my Hawke was aware of his plan. I'd just stash the bomb in another place, probably shoved it up Meredith's... throat.
• Velanna. Even my human Warden would be the first one to admit that most humans, well... are scum. The Dalish were deeply wronged, and I sympathize with them, and Velanna has every reason and right to hate human society, human culture and human religion - that doesn't mean she hates every single human in particular. It's a pity that the option to give the land to the Dalish is presented only to the Dalish Warden, as I would gladly chosen it with any other origin. And we do not see any possible result of this option in DAII.
• Finn and Ariane from Witch Hunt. They brought up a lot of warm feelings in me, despite their brief appearance. "I'm alive!!!" (after a fight) and ""Warden, your dog is lecturing me again" were great:) Sketch from Leliana's Song made a cameo in DAII, so I'd really like to see those two again.
• Seneschal Bran. Yes!!!:) Well, I don't like his personality really (good politicians are rarely good people), but I like to troll him with sarcastic Hawke's jokes and like the way he reacts. Also the references to Mass Effect's Ambassador Udina were good, reminding us that politicians are the same in any world - real, fantasy or sci-fi.-Algol- (talk) 22:46, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Terrorism : the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion

Anders blew up a chantry (filled with preists and probley a few civilians) to start a war. Just a bit of juxtapstion for ya.CrowInvictus (talk) 12:29, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Good job, you've found a nice real-world definition of terrorism. Now please give me an example, where I could find a condemnation of killing civilians for some cause in a fictional Dragon Age universe. You know, fictional, with pixelated people, dragons flying around, magic and such. Even if Dragon Age universe is very loosely based on real-world medieval Europe, there never was a "terrorism" in medieval Europe. So please, stop mixing real life and video games, it's bad for your health.-Algol- (talk) 17:28, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

To clear-up, I don't confuse fiction with reality. However, terrorism is a conscept. An idea or a notion, something that is abstract. It can be applied to either fiction or reality. In fact part of the litercy art is the making of comments of ideas and conscepts.CrowInvictus (talk) 04

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I know Flemeth and Morrigan aren't exactly unpopular, but they don't seem to be very well liked and they were 2 of my favorite characters. I don't think they're as evil as most seem to think. I still don't like Loghain but after recruiting him and getting to know him better I kinda agree with Anora about him. He was a good man consumed by fear of an old enemy and manipulated by an old friend. Cailan was a good man but not such a good king in my opinion. Unfortunately, it seems to be extremely difficult to be both a good person and a good ruler. Orzammar for example. Harrowmont was clearly the better man, but in the end I believe Bhelen made a much better king. I really liked Anders in DAA and I'm disappointed what they ended up doing with him in DA2. I was also glad I could talk Cauthrien into standing down and I wish I could've done the same for Landry, but at least he died in an honorable duel. Oghren, Zevran, Shale, Sigrun and Varric are also among my top favorites. I like where they're going with Sandal too. I hope he's recruit-able in DA3. Maybe if you import a save where the Warden was a Dwarf Noble they could have them meet again and investigate the possibility that they are half-brothers and possibly meet Sandal's mother. If Dagna got an Apostate Circle in Orzammar, maybe Sandal could even be the First Enchanter.

EDIT: I also liked Master Wade. He was funny, good at what he did and strangely overly modest. Gorim's cool too, kinda wish the Dwarf Noble could've recruited him. Master Ignacio's another one of my favorite minor characters. I love egging him on when he tries to be covert. One that I can't say I liked, but I thought he played his part very well was Vaughan Kendalls/Urien. I knew I wanted to kill him before he even opened his mouth. I had a bad feeling the first time I met Rendon Howe in Highever Castle but I didn't really want to kill him any more than Loghain until the dungeon of the Arl of Denerim's estate. Jowan was one I'm not sure if I like him but I do pity him. He just has a knack for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm also much more willing to look at the demons objectively than alot of people seem to be. They are spirits, in essence, the same as humans, dwarves, elves, korrith, etc. Some have just lost control of themselves to their desires, like Justice/Vengeance. Even non-native spirits of the Fade can become demons. The Baroness of the Blackmarsh for example and the woman in the shadowy crypt in the Blackmarsh Undying. They can be calmed too and turned back into 'ordinary'. They seem to lie about as much as mortals, maybe less even. They usually only kill for survival and I can hardly fault them for that. Few seem to be actually evil, most just seem curious about the mortal world just as mortals are curious about their world. Not saying demons are good but plenty are at least neutral it seems. --Vampire Damian (talk) 00:03, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Aveline: Because she may not be the best character in DA2, but she was the most DEVELOPED character: As soon as you meet people like Anders and Fenris for the first time, you already have a good picture of their personality and aims, which make some of their plot quests kinda unnecessary for character development and they become a little boring, but Aveline, she's like a childhood friend, you 'grow up' with her through trials and tribulations, from Donnic to Jeven.

Loghain: Because I can understand his goals and aims, but I dont agree with the execution of his plot: Arl Howe as a sidekick? Blood Mage to poison Arl Eamon? Abandoning many to die at Ostagar? Not very effective for winning support. But I do respect him for his volunteering to kill the Archdemon and atone for his sins through a heroic death.

Zevran: I will never understand the reason why THIS guy does not have a fan-girl movement, and yet, emo forever-alone douchebag Fenris and whiny,Justice-charged Anders do. I mean, he's everything a girl would want: Handsome, charismatic, charming, awesome accent, goes both ways, liberal, dark past.(Though I wouldn't know much about that since I'm a man XD)

Justice: I found his adventure and discoveries in the mortal world quite touching to be honest. And I would say that him experiencing the sins and vices of the mortal world, and yet Awakening passing those events as touching and enlightening, I feel that was quite a good job on the narrative's part.

Carver: I wouldn't say I like him cos I don't, but I COULD have liked him. How? If his jealousy and hatred of Hawke was played in a more subtle manner: They could have perhaps toned down the amount of whining and low-blows(blaming you for Bethany's death jumped the shark for me), made it so that his jealousy and spitefulness was bottled in until in explodes in betrayal, for example tipping off Hawke to the templars or something, and then coming out with the fact that Carver constantly felt in Hawke's shadow, and this was his moment to step out. If it was played that way, then I could have liked and understood him. Flemeth: One of the few things that DA2 did right: It increased the sense of mystery and hidden potency of the character, making you truly wonder at the end,'Just who the hell is Flemeth!?"

Ser Cautherien: She is perhaps one of the most loyal people I have ever seen, not a dog like Ser Varnell, since she can at least think for herself when she needs to. It's just a pity she was deathly loyal to the wrong person, and that really made me guilty for killing her in my first two runs, since she died in loyalty to lies and deception. That's why I spared her for the other times. SunflashTehMace (talk) 16:34, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of Shianni ! A strongly minded elf, with a purpose is deadly --GreyWard3n (talk) 20:22, December 11, 2011 (UTC)GreyWard3n

I don't like Ser Cautherien - I would have saved her if my persuasion had been high enough but ultimately despite her good qualities listed I did enjoy kiling her even on easy as I can't entirely forgive her either in or out of character for telling my warden "to shut up thrall your betters are talking" - now my Warden may have been an elven mage and ergo looked down twice over for something she couldn't help being but she'd got used to been treated with respect for being a grey Warden and even that bitch Jarvia wasn't that rude and she knew there was no way on earth that the toadying Howe was a better person than her. It's a shame that Cautherien didn't live to see Loghain come to see my Warden as an equal.

Anders in DA2 is there to mayke you see that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and like many real life terrorists he was driven to his actions by tyranny and indifference of his so-called betters - one he describes Orsino turning himself into an adomination as a desperate act from a a desperate man he could have been talking about himself just as easily.

Ser Pedantic

Hmm let's see... The Arishok, Carver, Merril, Morrigan, Tamlen and Sten are my favorite characters, not necessarily in that order. My characters always have Qunari sympathies (except my Blood Mage, who still sided with the Templars hoping to eliminate any competition). I prefer the Templars in virtually every scenario as well. If only it were possible to outright declare support for the Qun. I imagine that the central plot of the game would change in Act 3 if such was done. I always thought that Carver's personality would be better suited to joining the Qunari than Templars when he starts talking about looking for a sense of purpose. --Felixuselegos (talk) 15:24, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Anders is my favorite character in the franchise (c). Besides, I really liked Carver, the character development if you make him a Grey Warden is amasing. Asherinka (talk) 20:28, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody has brought up the rhyming "poet tree" yet?
Seriously though, Anders. He's probably one of the most controversial characters yet. There are people who outright hate him, there are people who look up to him, you might have some mixed feelings towards him, but face it: you just have to have some kind of strong opinion on him if you have played DA II. Lemonaidz (talk) 21:24, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

lol I kinda forgot about that old oak tree. One of the few demons I almost always let live. I liked him...or it...I think 'it' might be the better word since I don't think it had a gender. --Vampire Damian (talk) 21:50, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sigrun: A couple people have mentioned her here and I'd like to throw my lot in with them. I LOVED her! I thought she was adorable. I had yet to play through ANY of the dwarven origins before playing Awakening. I didn't really like the dwarves and playing as one didn't interest me at all. Then I met Sigrun and that all changed. I gave both the origins a go (Loved them both) but I stuck with my castless dwarf all the way through just so I can see what kind of dialogue pops up with her and Sigrun. I REALLY hope they bring her back somehow. At least as a cameo!

Isolde: I found it hard to like this character as a person. But as a character, I thought she was EXTREMELY well written and so well voiced! When killing Conner, her voice acting as she begs me to spare her son breaks my heart every time. Especially when she says, "You are a woman. If this was your son, wouldn't you move the mountains to save him?" I would! :,(

Carver: On the outside, super annoying. And yet, I think I like him best out of the siblings (even though I LOVE Bethany). He makes Act 1 so interesting for me. He and my Hawke bicker and argue all the time and sometimes my Hawke will get so frustrated with him, she'll saying something really hurtful and then I feel so bad because the look on his face! Wonderful animation. And then when you show him who his namesake is. It kind of gives Hawke a chance to patch things up with him. I still have yet to play Warden Carver. Will be sure to do that soon. --98.151.222.92 (talk) 21:59, January 8, 2012 (UTC) TurboTwistedFire

Though I certainly don't agree with some of the stuff DA2 Anders pulls (especially applauding if you sell Fenris back to Danarius, that really pissed me off and made him seem incredibly hypocritical), I did actually like that they decided to make him more than just "Alistair, but a mage" this time around. I also did like Merill; quite a few people get really annoyed by her, but like Aerie from Baldur's Gate 2, I actually really like that this kind of naivete and innocence can exist in a world where almost everything is some shade of grey (usually a darker shade). I also like Anora, since she's willing to do whatever it takes to come out on top during the succession crisis, but not one bit more - there isn't any backstabbing just for the sake of it, or playing the "I did what I had to" card after crossing the line at the speed of sound while juggling flaming swords like Howe and her father did. UrLeingod (talk

I actually found that bit with Fenris rather believable. I mean, their hatred to each other is a thing clearly past rational thinking - which, incidentally, isn't exactly Anders' forte anyway. When your long time archenemy suffers like that, the joy should overcome minor nuisances like, say, you thinking slavery is bad. Or your bestest buddy/frenemy Hawke being an irredeemable piece of shit in given situation. Dorquemada (talk) 10:35, January 9, 2012 (UTC)