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yeah they are all too ugly to romance, what a bummer

Is it just me or is it that most, if not all, of the possible romance options are very ugly? Cassandra looks like a man (since she is a soldier), Varric is a dwarf, Vivienne is really ugly, Cullen is anti-magi and Solas is bald... :( --Darth Hammu (talk) 18:10, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

I’d rather have them the way they are now than sexed up bimbos running around in steel underwear Blighter (talk) 19:28, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the female elf looks sexy... I dunno I go for the personality, I like damaged women (Morrigan & Isabela)--Dave The Maniac (talk) 19:34, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

  You've just made me realise my 'type'.--2.28.38.139 (talk) 12:12, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, really? I think they look fine, but heck we all have our views. I think Vivienne looks awesome, Cass looks good- bioware are going away from a stereotypical good looking woman in games, (i bet there's more to be named in other games) but i feel as though they've done a good job.Lazare326 (talk) 20:08, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Uhm, excuse me, but Varric is a sexy beast. You be jelly :P WhiteClaudia (talk) 20:19, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Well, maybe his voice is hot, but his height? --189.191.3.182 (talk) 17:01, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

He's at just the right height to give a human woman a good time. Not everything Oghren said was a lie you know. 67.61.238.87 (talk) 06:52, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

I think Vivienne is hot. I mean, she seems like a horrendous person, but she LOOKS good. --TheQunAndFriends (talk) 20:56, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

I can certainly see where the original poster is coming from. Bwahaha. Just according to my tastes, I don't like how Cassandra looks because 'tough' women don't really appeal to me, Solas looks like Zathrian's cousin after a severe crystal meth bender, Vivienne looks ridiculous in those outfits even if I wasn't already turned off by coloured women. Varric... now that is a sexy man. Cullen, seen enough of him already; not interested. As for the female elf? Haven't seen her yet since I've avoided trailers and lots of concept art, but I hear she might have a bad attitude, a la Morrigan, so probably not for me either. EzzyD (talk) 21:12, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I mean! I don't want a Zathrian's cousin! Even Zathrian looked hotter than Solas... and, as for the women, I think the only one sexy is Sera because she reminds me of my childohood's love, Sora, one of the Digi-Destined in Digimon Adventure 01.

Wow, way to be disgustingly racist, what the fuck. Samahl (talk) 11:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

You're not very good at this whole "trolling" thing, huh? But that's okay, I can tell it's new to you. Stick with it, you'll get better. At least, I hope you're trolling because I don't wanna believe anyone is that shallow. Yes, Varric is a dwarf. Well spotted. No obstacle to romance, though, and if you don't believe me ask Peter Dinklage and his hot wife. Cassandra, like many women, has short hair, not broad shoulders and a penis. I'm not sure how those could ever be confused. Vivienne is black. I don't like your implication that's unattractive. I notice you didn't mention Cullen's looks, but I wouldn't worry about the anti-mage thing. He has bigger relationship dealbreakers to worry about, like the complete lack of personality. And yeah, Solas is bald. So's Patrick Stewart, and I know women who would have their vaginas mounted on a hellfire missile just so they could fly a drone to his house and fire it at him. 22:55, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that's kind of rude of you. The man specifically says "is it just me... or?", that is a statement that the following is his opinion. That the reasons he finds the romanceable companions to be undesirable, and it's because of his own preference. You listing why they would appeal to other people doesn't change his own preference. He never said Black women are unattractive in general, he didn't even say that it was because Vivienne is black that he finds her ugly. He just said that she was ugly. So what if it is because she's black, he's allowed to not be sexually attracted to black women. That doesn't mean all black women are unattractive, it just means he's not attracted to them. You calling him shallow, is accurate. and so what? being shallow isn't bad. Being "shallow" simply means he has a very defined perception of what he considers "beauty", and there's nothing wrong with that. Your attempt at being "open minded", and "all inclusive" is irony since you find issue with him liking what he likes. Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 01:35, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

...Yyyyeah, I'm allowed my opinion. And my opinion is that his opinion sucks. Nice defence of shallowness, I didn't realize it was a virtue now. Nothing ironic about it, being open-minded does not mean "agree with absolutely everything anyone says no matter how contemptible and instead give tacit approval to their ignorance by keeping quiet." Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Everyone is not entitled to have their beliefs go unchallenged, especially when their beliefs are immature, ignorant or just plain dumb. 16:06, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Except, it appears you were first to stoop to condescension without reason. I think that's all Kaspar is trying to say, correct me if I'm assuming too much. EzzyD (talk) 21:28, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Let me just point out that there's nothing racist about not being attracted to people of certain races. Let me be blunt, since you may not know much about male anatomy. A man can't choose to get an erection by looking at certain types of people. Some white guys don't get horny when they look at black women; some black men don't get horny when looking at white women. Are they racist? Some men don't get erected over women at all. Are they sexist? Now I wouldn't have worded it quite the way EzzyD did, but that's no excuse to freak out. And by the way, your knowledge of trolling is quite impressive, anon. I'd also like to point out that someone who posts an inflammatory response to someone else anonymously is either very absent-minded or a typical troll. You're free to disagree with someone's opinion, just as I'm free to point out that you took it a little to hard. Sevec 21:45, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'm a dude, don't tell me how my wang works. I'm only anon because wiki won't let me log back in, and yeah, I think it is immature, ignorant and prejudiced to say someone is unattractive because of their race. Or gender. Or anything else about them they can't choose. And even if we put all the gender and race politics aside, calling anyone ugly or judging somebody by their looks is still one of the most juvenile and dickish things you can possibly do with your time. 12:18, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

I like how you get defensive and tell Ezzy that there's nothing racist about not being attracted to dark skinned women, when, earlier, Ezzy STATES that he doesn't like Viv because he doesn't like women of color. Not to mention, I don't remember Ezzy saying anything about racism here, so it seems you're going on a random wild tangent that's not relevant to the discussion here. WhiteClaudia (talk) 02:36, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

The implication of racism is clear. I may have been the first person to use it here, and if so I'm sorry to bring the ugly word to the table. But it was inevitable. "Vivienne looks ridiculous in those outfits even if I wasn't already turned off by coloured women" Where did he say that he doesn't like women of color? He said he's turned off by them, let's just be clear about that. This entire thread is about how attractive we find the companions. People are accusing others of being shallow or having beliefs that are "immature, ignorant or just plain dumb." I'd like to emphasize that it's not shallow if a guy doesn't get a boner over black women. It may be hard for some people to understand, but race can be a factor in sexual attraction. That isn't shallow, it's biology. So seriously people, let's all grow up and stop discussing Ezzy's choice of words or the arguments that followed. Can we please just put this to rest before it blows any more out of proportion than it already has? Sevec 15:33, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

He can dislike black and dark-skinned women all he likes. That just means more for me. I don't discriminate, I regulate all shades of the ass. Dark-skinned women in particular. If any women were offended by this post; please get to know me -- Soulofshezarr (talk) 01:32, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, not all black women look the same, so that's a terrible excuse for racism. Also, is this wiki solely populated by white people, because the term "colored" is not only anachronistic, but again, racist. Samahl (talk) 11:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ezzy was the first one to use the term "coloured", everyone else is just quoting him. I find it hard to imagine that a person could be utterly unattracted to any of the vast array of skin stones that are culturally considered "black", and not also be racist. But, I can see some people not being physically attracted to certain skin stone/body types. Take Halle Berry and Oprah, for instance. Both women are considered black, yet they look nothing alike. Being physically unattracted to one or the other isn't racist, but being attracted to neither is, because any similarity between the two is cultural, and that's where racism comes from. Silver Warden (talk) 21:58, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

True, but no one called him out for it. Obviously, not being attracted to every individual member of a race isn't racist, but I seriously doubt anyone is physically unable to be attracted to everyone of that race unless, as you said, they find blackness itself unpalatable. Samahl (talk) 22:09, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, a number of people did and we had a short debate about it. Frankly, I thought that debate was over for lack of interest. I said what I said, and make no apologies for my tastes. Additionally, my personal feelings on race or ethnicity are nobody's business unless I choose to tell them. I'd appreciate if this particular part of the thread would end here and my name stop being tossed about along with insinuations about my character. Cheers. EzzyD (talk) 03:44, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

No one called you out for the specific term, which you haven't yet apologized for. Also, I don't care how racist people feel about being called racist. Cheers. (p.s. if you don't want your racism to be anybody's business, don't be racist where everybody can see it) Samahl (talk) 03:59, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

It's not racist though. He just said he didn't like colored women. And he's not apologising for it. Why should he? He likes what he likes and speaks out about what he doesn't like. THat's not racism. Racism is inciting discrimination. Racism is promoting unequal treatment of a minority. He didn't scream and holler for a call to arms, he didn't set a time and date for black people to be hanged by the neck in a tree until dead. He didn't say that black people should stay out of buildings where white people are socializing because they were "unclean" or "impure", or some variation of. He didn't say Vivenne should not be a romanceable character because her skin was dark, and that dark people did not deserve respect, love or intimacy. No, he said he was turned off by colored women. Did he say no one else should be attracted to Vivienne? nope. Did he say that all colored people were fucking ugly? nope. All he said was that he was turned off by colored women. that's all he said. that he, personally, did not find colored women attractive, not that they were unattractive as a whole to anyone, just to him, they were unattractive just to him. He's not increasing their taxes, he's not secluding them to a specific area, he's not denying them the right to live, learn, love. All he said, was that he was turned off by them. At worst! the very worst! it's just rude. that perhaps there was a more delicate, tasteful way of phrasing what he said. (e.g. "Those of the fairer sex, of a darker complexion, are too exotic for my taste" maybe? i dunno) but Racism? no. I don't believe that's racist and given reason why.

In fact, i think you have something to apologise for. If Racism has roots in having a superiority complex, and hate. Then your comments have proven to be particulaly hateful. "Also, i don't care how racist people feel about being called racist.", "Wow, way to be disgustingly racist, what the fuck", so much hate and derision in your tone. I could be wrong, it is the internet, and so tone is hard to convey, i understand. But if, if you are hating and deriding him. then you are doing the exact same thing homophobic people are doing to homosexuals, what racist people are doing to people of other races. Do you believe you are Justice? that EzzyD deserves to be hated, and derided? That's the exact same mentality Homophobics and Racists feel about homosexuals and other races. If you're not hating and disrespecting him, then i apologise for my needless "lecture" Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 15:13, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the back-up, Kaspar, and you have worded any of the counter-arguments I would have fielded perfectly. Hopefully, this will clear the whole issue up and the thread can recede back into the shadows :P EzzyD (talk) 20:30, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

You know there are degrees of racism, right? There's "we must wipe the scourge of the underhumans from the face of the Earth!" and then there's "I don't think black women are pretty." It's impossible to find all black women unattractive without also having a problem with black people (or at least black women) on some level, because there is no single physiological commonality shared by all of them. Race is defined culturally, it does no exist scientifically, and in order for someone to not be attracted to certain people based solely on a cultural construct that person must have some problem with the race itself. However, it's probably the least harmful form of racism possible. It's equivalent to someone being okay with homosexuality in theory but who get turned of by two guys (or girls) kissing. Harmless if they keep it to themselves, but still a tiny bit homophobic, because someone who truly had no issue with homosexuality would find two men kissing no more revolting than watching paint dry. Silver Warden (talk) 22:19, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

(First, before anything else: "colored" is a racist slur. "Person of color" is not. Stop using racist slurs in your posts.)

Racism is all of those things you said, and then some. It's desexualization of black women. It's thinking that black people are a monolith. It's microagressions. It's exotification, objectification, and dehumanization. Racism is complex and pervasive, and since we don't live in a vacuum, there's no doubt EzzyD's feelings on black women are rooted in racism. It's simple as that.

(Never EVER use the word "exotic" in reference to a human being, by the way. Exotification is a form of fetishization, and it's harmful.)

Are you seriously telling me that the feelings of racists are just as important as the feelings of POC? Do you also think the feelings of rapists are just as important the people they rape?

I don't "hate" EzzyD. I think he's racist, but I honestly don't give a fuck about him. If he's not dating black women, then there's a good chance they'll be protected from his racism anyway (though he's probably racist in other ways). That doesn't mean I won't call it out. Samahl (talk) 01:50, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Oh sweet Maker... i really hope you're joking... that maybe you felt shamed, maybe you felt defensive, and in that whatever you're just spouting nonsense. Because i really, really hope you don't actually believe what you just said... ""colored (people)" is a racist slur. "Person of color" is not." I mean... you have to know how ridiculous that is, right? If "color" and "person" are the subjects of that sentence, then you're just stripping the suffix off the word, and switching the places of the two subjects with each other, and to you, that somehow turns the word from a derogatory slur, to a politically correct statement... wow... just wow...

"never use the word "exotic" in reference to a human being. Exotification is a form of fetishization, and it's harmful".... you must be the most sexually repressed person ever... there is nothing wrong with describing a person exotic. By it's definition, it implies that person is simply from somewhere foreign, something not very common to the speaker's environment. That in itself is not stripping them of their rights or their identity. It's not as though by labelling them as "exotic", you're automatically putting them in a zoo and treating them as animals. No, you're simply saying that they're from somewhere that you've personally never been before. And there's nothing wrong with fetishes. It's completely natural. Done by those that are naturally exploring their own sexual desires in unconventional ways, using unorthodox methods.... Any kind of sexual act, no matter how pleasurable or painful it appears to the observer, is entirely acceptable, as long as both parties are consensual. If either party is not a consenting adult, then yes, the law should be involved as basic rights are violated. But as long as it's consensual, "fetishization" as you put it, is completely natural, and should be within a socially acceptable behavior.

I'm not saying that the feelings of one group is more important than another. I'm not saying the feelings of criminals are more important than their victims. Learn to read please. I'm saying that by indulging in that kind of hate and discrimination, you're indulging in the same mentality as rapists and racists. You're not a champion defending the victimized. You're a brute, victimizing people, just as racists and rapists are victimizing people, because they want to, because they feel justified doing it.

"Racism is all of those things you said, and then some. It's desexualization of black women" The Desexualisation of a woman is actually a good thing. Sexualising them, is what's wrong. It's sexist, because you're no longer viewing them as an independent personality. You're stripping them of their identity, and simply viewing them as an object inciting pure sexual desire. By desexualising a black woman, you're no longer viewing them as a sexual object, and seeing them as an identity that deserves to be treated with respect.

It's at this point, i realize that you're just overly sensitive. Despite no one voicing their opinion that any group should not live, learn, love, have their rights taken away, be treated unfairly in the eyes of the law, etc, etc, you're acting as though someone has. EzzyD said he was turned off by coloured people. That's his own personal preference. He did not advocate or incite violence or unequal treatment. He could be very polite to coloured people, in fact, he's probably the perfect gentlemen to women of a darker complexion; pulling their chairs out and taking their coats and everything. He just voiced his opinion, his own preference of his choice of companion. That's not racist. You're not calling someone out on their racism. You're just overly sensitive (and probably sexually repressed) Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 10:37, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

We're getting way off topic here. Personal disputes should be resolved on talk pages. In any case, please discontinue this argument or the thread will be locked. King Cousland | Talk   11:42, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'll iterate this once then hold my peace hereafter on this thread. Finding certain colors of skin unattractive is discriminatory. As is finding certain hair colors, body shapes, hairstyles, and sexual orientations. That doesn't make it wrong. In fact, it's hardwired into the human genome that we should be selective about the people we're attracted to, and for good reason as anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of evolution should understand. Not finding people of color sexually appealing isn't a crime and it isn't wrong, and Ez doesn't have to apologize for it any more than I have to apologize for finding blonde an unappealing hair color. Could Ez have framed his words better given the heavy stigmas that are associated with race? Sure, but that doesn't make him racist, and instantly assuming that it does and he should apologize for it based solely on a poorly worded remark of sexual preference reflects poorly on the character of the accuser, not his. I read through this conversation and see people who have been offended jumping to conclusions and throwing about the term racist while all the while making unfounded assumptions about the character of the person they are throwing the word at and unwittingly making exactly the same mistake in judgment that lies at racism's heart. So, perhaps it would be best for all involved if we take things a few steps back, cool our heads, and try and approach the matter in a manner that is non-confrontational and non-judgmental, that way everyone here can learn from it and prosper? ----Isolationistmagi 04:10, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Nobody decides not to date/have sex with someone because they're blonde. That is not a real thing people factor into relationships.

As has been explained multiple times, by both me and Silver Warden, not all people of the same race look alike. Not all black people look alike, not all asian people look alike, not all mestizx people look alike, etc. etc. When people say they're not attracted to a certain race, they usually have stereotypical images in their head of what people of that race look like (or act like), which are then extrapolated to the entire group. This is racist.

Also, it's pretty damn obvious you have nothing more than a rudimentary grasp on evolution if you think it's sufficient to explain away your racism.

My initial reaction to EzzyD was one of disgust because he used a racist slur and nobody here cared. I mean, I would've called him out regardless, but he used a freaking slur. Why are you guys making excuses for him? Samahl (talk) 07:45, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I assume that no one cares because this is the internet, and we are all just reading white text on screen. It'd be very different if someone said that in person. Plus, people say WAY worse stuff online and get away with it. Sadly, using the term "colored" is tame compared to some of the things I've read in forums, chatrooms, etc. over the years. That's probably why people aren't bothered by it.

There are some people who are so shallow that they won't date a person based on their hair color. But comparing hair color to race is inappropriate. There are more skin tones that are considered "black", then their are shades of hair that are considered "blonde". Many, many times more. There are also people who are considered "white" with skin tones that are lighter than some black people's skin tones. Statically, there are more physiological difference between two randomly selected black people than there are between a white person and an Asian person. The concept of a black race has no basis in evolution, so it cannot be selected for via natural factors. Only human psychology could cause someone to view the entire race as unattractive, because the race only exists in the human mind. Silver Warden (talk) 09:09, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

We are in full agreement, though from my experience, love and arousal just kind of... happen. Abstractly, I could say I prefer redheads, but it probably isn't going to keep me from crushing on brunettes if they push all my other buttons, so to speak. Even then, you're right - there's so much more variation within any given race compared to hair color that the idea of never being attracted to anybody of that race no matter what is just... baffling. Samahl (talk) 10:39, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, there's so much variation within any given race that the idea of lumping them all together under such broad classifications can in itself be considered a light form of racism. Moving right along, perhaps "coloured" might not be considered a racial slur where he's from? Linguistic connotations are far from universal. Also, how does one even know what he considers to be a person of color? It could very well be that there are numerous people one may consider to be of color that he might be attracted to because he doesn't consider color the same way others do, it's all perspective.

As for evolution, selectivity of mates is an inborn part of it, and that includes skin color, one need only look at how people of different skin colors developed in different parts of the world to see this. White men didn't first appear at the equator because white skin's an unfavorable trait because of the intense sunlight, and in fact puts one at higher risk for diseases such as skin cancer due to the reduced levels of melanin to shield from sunlight. Conversely, black men didn't develop in the far north of the world because the melanin in their skin acts as a natural sunblock, and that combined with the reduced levels of sunlight puts one at risk of vitamin D deficiency- and US and Canadian governments in fact recommend people with darker skin take vitamin D supplements in the winter because of this. These are facts, and racism has nothing to do with it, so I would appreciate if you do not throw the term at me when you don't know me Samahi, for as I said in my other post that reflects poorly on your character, not mine. Feel free to call me a liar though, seeing as I said my previous post would be my last one and here I am posting again XD

And finally, to clarify- I am NOT defending Ezzy's racism if, in fact, he is racist. I am not defending racism of any kind, as I find it abhorrent. What I am trying to do is promote open-ended thought and a friendlier community on the whole, as I personally find an open minded and welcoming community vastly preferable to a close minded and hostile one. If nothing else, I hope at least on that we can agree. ----Isolationistmagi 16:23, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

You can't choose who you find attractive, it's something that just "happens". Therefore not being attracted to a certain type of person isn't racist, and it isn't wrong. It's also easier to make generalizations in conversation, such as saying you don't find "anyone" of African descent attractive. Yet that same person could later see someone with a darker skin shade and be attracted to them. Programmdude (talk) 16:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

MAYHEM ENSUES!!!!--Iddawiki (talk) 10:21, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, just saw KC's post situated in the middle of this whole debacle for some reason, this should be continued on talk pages, if at all. ----Isolationistmagi 16:25, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with Ez on this one. Well... except for the dwarf fixation of course. I've been saying Cass looks ugly for a while now. She looks like Michelle Obama and Mrs. Potato Head after they've been fused together via Seth Brundle's telepods. What happened to the young, beautiful, long-haired, feminine vixen of the anime that would inspire constant pausing of the video to admire her numerous up-skir... er, I mean... design qualities? For that matter, what happened to the significantly less beautiful but still somewhat cute Cass of DA2? I didn't think Thedas would have steroids in that era, but I'm going to check Cass' wrist for a yellow bracelet first chance I get. As if the short hair didn't make her look masculine enough.

But on the subject of hair, that's more than I can say for Vivevean? Vivian? Whatever her goofy name is. Didn't one of her concept arts show that she's completely bald? How are you going to have a black woman in the game as romancible (which is good) but then make her BALD (which is BAD)? Kinda racist BioWare. No basketball team for you. And yes, her outfits make her look like a court jester. So she's a non-starter.

The female elf did strike me as the only viable romance for a male Inquiz. But knowing BioWare they'll make her exclusively lesbian, or... "elf-sexual" (pretty much the same thing really), or a family member somehow, or Anders in drag, or something like that just to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, as per usual.

Leliana? Never was one for sloppy seconds. If her background has her seeking out her Warden love, then logically she should not be romancible. And if she did not have a relationship with the Warden, well... by now she's probably a sloppy forty-second. Which reminds me, isn't she old by now? Like, forty or so at least?

As for the male options, I probably won't play a female Inquiz, but if I do then it will probably be a qunari female, in which case I'll have her snoo-snoo Cullen's pelvis into finely granulated powder. She'll have horns of course... which will make her "horny". :D HA! Get it? High five! Eh? Ehh? Anyone? ... Anyway, I hope BioWare went with my idea of romanible NPCs. There would be way more possibilities in that case. Believe it! (talk) 03:27, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

"Dwarf fixation"? :P EzzyD (talk) 21:28, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Looks are unimportant. Looks can easily adjusted by mods. Much more important is how a character sounds, i.e. voice acting. 84.250.108.71 (talk) 05:08, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Well, you speak of the mods because, maybe, you play it on your PC, but, one as myself who doesn't have the opportunity to add mods to his Xbox 360 :'( --189.191.3.182 (talk) 17:01, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Also, not meaning to criticize, but that also assumes that mods can be produced on Inquisition; since, as far as I can recall, they've not once mentioned there being a toolset available after release. EzzyD (talk) 20:22, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Can't be worse than Isabella, that piercing was just hideous. I'm more interested in there being a variety and for the characters to have depth. Despite all of the faults even DA2 delivered on that score so I don't expect DA:I to fail. BioWare have always excelled at characters and romances. Rayvio (talk) 11:33, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I don't get why so many people think Cassandra is ugly. She's not ugly, she's just not breathtakingly beautiful. She's pretty. Like a seven. Though she did look better in the DA 2, I'm not sure why Bioware decided to give her even stronger law lines in Inquisition.

And I think Vivienne's ridiculous outfit is intentional. It's probably an outward reflection of her personality. The player will have to get over that (or embrace it) in order to like her. Though unless she takes off that damn demon-horn hat at some point, she won't get so much as a second look from my Inquisitor. Silver Warden (talk) 17:49, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I know how to fight, and actually have formal training in swordsmanship, but, and I'm just saying, I'd let Cassandra kick my ass any day. 67.61.234.198 (talk) 18:11, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I would like to say that Vivienne's outfit is actually the fashion in Orlais, that being said I would also like to say that you should expect a lot of that because the game is mainly taking place in Orlais. Sorry had to get that out so the whole "Vivienne looks like a jester" conversation would stop. 216.25.180.226 (talk) 20:48, May 14, 2014 (UTC) B

Darth Hammu, I'm glad you posted this because I've been thinking this for a while, and I agree 100%. I don't find Cassandra attractive because she looks too masculine-mean (whereas Morrigan was more of a sexy-mean). Vivienne just looks old to me. In some of her pictures she has very defined cheek bones, and tbh the first time I saw her I thought she was an Old lady. I assumed she was a dark version of Wynne. The Elf, from pictures I've seen, sort of looks like a Dwarf--maybe I'm just used to the super-skinny elves in Dragon age 2, but I was a little confused and shocked when I saw her. Out of the three of them I guess I like Vivienne the best, but I would have to see her without the ridiculous thing she has on her head. The male companions that we've seen, (who may be romance-able), are so much better looking. Cullen has a billion fan girls, and Solas is a more refined, mysterious looking Fenris. I'm not trying to be shallow, but my Inquisitor is going to be a jacked badass who saves the world from hordes of demons. I think he's going to be out of their leagues, combined, looks wise (definitely not personality-wise, he's gonna be a jerk). Danthehumanmage (talk) 22:25, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

No one's going to say it? Fine, I'll post it. Vivienne is Maleficent in blackface. Believe it! (talk) 00:01, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

you're absolutely right haha Danthehumanmage (talk) 00:12, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

If only Vivienne looked as good as Angelina. She actually makes that ridiculous headdress work. Silver Warden (talk) 20:35, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

The very premise of this topic makes me cringe. Ugly as synonymous with 'I don't find them attractive' is worthy of more than a bit of side-eye. 14.201.65.88 (talk) 00:28, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

The only thing unattractive about Vivienne is that her outfit, especially the horned headpieces, and unless most of Orlais dresses like that and/or silly outfits are brought up in conseversations, than I'll always look at her a bit fuunny.--69.235.5.22 (talk) 03:06, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Orlesian fashion is supposed to be fairly flamboyant (remember that woman Leliana mentioned who put live birds in her hair?), so it's not that weird, especially if she changes into something more reasonable when she gets away from court.--173.66.179.36 (talk) 14:16, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

My inquisitor is probably going to remain single for this game, the ladies are hideous and I'm unlikely to agree with most of the males opinions (Pro-mage so Cullen is out, Varric was a rival in DA:II) In fact only the solas might have similar interests but he's probably going to be more of a friend than lover. Hell even the elf woman (Sera) looks like Spok from star trek with his hair died blonde and oranges stuffed in a bra... so overall un-impressed.--Shaerala (talk) 22:48, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Were the romances ever attractive to begin with? ----Isolationistmagi 02:58, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Most of them. All of the female LIs from Origins and DA 2 are of varying degrees of hotness. Alistair is handsome. Andres is not bad. Never saw the appeal of Zevran or Fenris, but then I don't think any male elves look good. Silver Warden (talk) 05:56, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

there are akot of things about the LIs availible now that i DONT like but in all im sure idd get used to them , i actualku kinda like Aolas in one of the pictures he actually looks realky good (his face is pretty) bit of a shock that basically all the chracters have short/no hair but when youre working and fight alongside people regardless of looks you end up biuld close relationships its enevitable that my inquisitors going to be closer with one of them than all the rest, appearnce doesnt really factor in so much for me as i choose personality over all that (not to say i dont have standards of course its just who wants to be with some really hot but really empty and shallow?) maybe thats why i like Mass Effects romances alot, my chracter after ME1 awould only evr romance aliens because while the species and looks were far different i felt more compatible with theyre beliefs and personalities than with the (in ME2) two human LIs and besides who didnt want to romance Garrus? hes like MEs Varric (only without chesthair) as for what i actually think of the looks , i dont really have any opinions on Sera Cullen o(who i like in DAO and DA2 but thats the whole fangirl thing) or the others except Cass who sadly does look quite alot like a potato and Viv whos taste in clothes are ridiculous even for an orlessian (i prefer comfort and practicality over appearance and high fassion) but that doesnt matter too much anyway since im only going to romance males (at least for the first few dozens playthroughs) and their personalities and stories are my forcus more than how good they lookBlitzbear93 (talk) 11:30, May 16, 2014 (UTC)Blitzbear93

I said it before and I will say it again. Love should not be all about the looks. It should be about character and personality. Supergodzilla118 (talk) Supergodzilla118 18:50, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Why does nobody mention the scribe? the girl at the back? there are at least 4 options Cassandra, elf girl, Vivienne, and the scribe girl, hmmm Cassandra feels like the Aveline you can romance, Vivienne did give me a Wynn vibe and personally i dont think she will be a love interest since she looks to me (this is an opinion and just because i think something doesnt make it true :) ) like she is a bit old for the normal range of love interest ages. Cassandra may look a bit more boyish but i guess shes a tomboy and you dont know how she will be in terms of personality besides i still expect them to change the charecters a bit since i still have no idea why varric has droopy eyes now. Scribe girls has long hair in a bun and the elf girl Sera looks like the initial model in the concept art for bethany just as an elf. as for the males Cullen has fangirls so hes in XD, Cole personally is the only one besides Cullen that meets up with normal Bioware standards for love interest looks at least in dragon age than we have varric, the iron bull, Dorian or the magister guy gives me the hints he might be the gay love interest (the mustache just gives me that vibe) tho he does fit normal love interest looks and age and besides that we have solas and the grey warden idk its hard to speculate when we still dont know xp. tho i just want to say that bioware did romances like jack which was not a girl with your usual looks and tali someone who you never really see her face so and of course Garrus (my favorite romance ever by bioware) and lets face it turians are ugly but garrus sure is sexy ;). So you never know how their personalities will warm up to you and make you change your opinions don't forget everyone has a type and normaly that involves personality :)Faye_Cousland (talk) 04:33, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

ive said before and ill say it again ,Garrus!!! ♡ especially with his ME2 scars (i like that but no im not a krogan) id choose Garrus over any of the DA romances any day (even Varric)i definately prefer personality to looks (though sometimes looks are nice too)Blitzbear93 (talk) 07:19, May 17, 2014 (UTC)Blitzbear93

Ugly is a bit of a strong-term; it implies a certain negativity to the person, as though they look wrong in a literal sense vs an opinionated one. I'll admit, I can be attracted to darker women, but Vivienne doesn't look good to me- probably the headdress. I'll agree she strikes me as older in her current pictures.

Hopefully they change her a little because Cassandra doesn't look good to me in her picture from the Companions(Inquisition) page. I mean that's a HELL of a lot different than her Dawn of the Seeker appearance, (Which I liked) and I think she looks worse than her DA2 appearance as well. The elf girl looks nice enough, her hair looks a little odd but I think that might be changed/fixed because that looks just weird to look at, especially compared to her concept art... although I don't know what to think of her concept art haha. Speaking of blonds, in the big companion picture who's the blond guy behind Solas with the dopey hair in his eyes? Friendlysociopath (talk) 23:10, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Vivienne is fine as hell. If Varric ends up being bi I'm going to have a really hard choice to make.

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I'm almost definitely not romancing Vivienne, but she's still cute as heck. I don't get what your guys' deal is (barring racism, but anyway).

I thought Cassandra was beautiful in DA2... I'm not sure how I feel about her in DAI, but I'll reserve judgment until I actually get to see her firsthand, in-game.

As for the guys, I'm pretty sure Varric won't be a love interest, but on the off-chance he is, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with his dead eyes boring into me. Seriously, he looks like he went through some deep shit between DA2 and Inquisition. I probably won't romance Cullen, because he's a templar and probably still anti-mage (though I did romance Fenris once, so it's not impossible), but there's still Mustachio and the possibly-Cole rogue...

I mean, it depends on their sexuality, honestly. Cullen's straight, unless BioWare decides to pull another Suddenly Sexuality with him. Everyone else is up in the air. My guess - or hope, I suppose - is that Cassandra is bi, along with Cole-lookalike, Vivienne is straight, and Mustachio and Sera are gay. This speculation is all baseless of course (though if accurate, would mean I wouldn't have to have opposite-gender romances in any of my playthroughs, hehe), just the feeling I get. Samahl (talk) 11:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

The confirmed companions seem to be maybe mediocre looking at best and so far Cassandra is the only confirmed romance option as of now. There are still 3 unconfirmed companions who may just so you know be better off in the looks department than the other's as we know. Varric and Sera as of now while not confirmed romance options are probably the the best looking as of yet although if all this preaching about Cullen being a companion is indeed correct, then you could toss him into the melting pot as well. On the other hand, yeah, maybe the current lineup of possible romances might not be the most desirable of characters, I mean if Vivienne looks like that in game, I can safely say that I wouldn't touch her rotten pussy with a 10 foot pole, but you don't have to jump to conclusions. So far all we've seen is concept art and they may look a bit different in game compared to the concept art for better or for worse. So you may not have a pack of fuck toys like in DA:O where plenty of your companions were almost unrealistically beautiful, Morrigan for instance were she real, I'd be mistaking her for an angel of some sort and Zevran, well let's just say you can't get much more attractive than that. But as I said before, not all hope is lost, there are still 3 more slots for companions and they just may be painstakingly attractive if that's what you're worried about. _{Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ} ^{I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang.} 23:30, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, Morrigan was modeled after a real person, some model Bioware hired. For the life of me I can't remember her name, but I think they did the same thing with Leliana and some other characters. They aren't digital copies of the models, but believe some of them were "based on" (for lack of a better phrase) real people. Silver Warden (talk) 23:53, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Woah, really? I need to see this (and Zevran, if it's the same deal with him). Samahl (talk) 00:30, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

What?! Is that official? If so, then why did they have concept art like all the other characters? Believe it! (talk) 06:04, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Victoria Johnson is the model for Morrigan and Alexandra Stein is the model for Leliana. To the behest of my knowledge. I'm 90% sure of that, but could be wrong. B.S.S.T. (talk) 20:53, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Iron Bull is like the sexiest man in the series! Hope he's a gay romance option. --71.240.181.165 (talk) 11:55, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

This is sadly true. Cassandra looks too manly and I don't find Vivienne at all attractive. I haven't seen much images of Josephine but the ones I have seen, I was not a fan of. I don't find Sera very attractive either. I am also not into men so I obviously wouldn't find any of the male companions attractive. I wish they'd have romance options more like Isabella or Leliana. This sucks :( SkullGamer (talk) 03:43, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't like any of them either. I mean, I didn't particularly like the female romance options in DA2, but at least I found them attractive. Even Morrigan and Leliana, my two favorite love interests of any Bioware game, look terrible in DAI. I thought I was the only one who thought this, especially with Sera, with everyone fawning over her and treating her like the sexiest creature in existence (heck, even the devs said they would romance her in their playthrough during the Q&A), but when I see her, she looks like a meth addict, which made me question my taste considering 99% of community likes her. I mean, I'm actually attracted to Iron Bull more than I am to Sera, and that's saying a lot since I'm not attracted to males. Glad to know I'm not alone though. And I'm not saying that they have to be attractive for me to be attracted to them, though it certainly is part of it. For all I know, they could be written so beautifully that I fall in love with them for their personality alone (still wouldn't be able to look at Sera's face without cringing though). But considering I don't have access to that yet, and can only judge them based on their physical appearance, I'm not the least bit interested in any of them. Primary Faction (talk) 04:41, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, none of the romance options are physically attractive to me either. I'm definitely going to be going with Cassandra for my main Inquisitor though, as that seems like it makes the most sense. Jamie Jones54842 (talk) 06:28, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

I have to say, I find all the potential romance options pretty underwhelming. Then again, I haven't cared about the romance options since Origins, so I'm not that concerned. Luckily, the main story looks like its going to be pretty interesting, so that will hopefully make up for the less interesting side plots. I will probably romance Casandra, since she seems like a pretty interesting and important character, so I want to learn more about her (even if I think here new iteration looks pretty terrible compared to her DA2 version)--Darkly Tranquil (talk) 10:07, July 9, 2014 (UTC).

If you want a perfect romance with some photo model, go play a dating sim. This game is about saving the world, not about getting some npc to spread his/her legs. Be glad they even bother to include this in their game, for it causes a lot of controversy, and fans are constantly critical when it comes to this topic. --M. Shields (talk) 12:52, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Romances are one of the things that sets Bioware games apart from other RPGs like Skyrim. The romances serve to enhance character development and interaction, and make the main character more than just the typical "hero saving the world". Its not about it being a "dating sim", its about creating a story with complex multifaceted characters who interact with each other on a more sophisticated level. Although admittedly, it sometimes falls a bit flat on the execution. --Darkly Tranquil (talk) 08:00, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Just because so many developers include sex as an endpoint for romances doesn't mean that's the players primary interest in the ingame relationship. CLuhrsen (talk) 00:02, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Very nice, I'm romancing Vivienne, every single playtrough... . she looks damn fine too me, just don't romance, it's optional. ;) signed Deco

Anyone who says Vivanne is ugly is crazy. I'm not nuts about chicks with no hair but given what we have to work with in the game she's pretty hot. Totally romancing her or at least trying to. Picking the right options for her is hard. That being said I Appaluad bioware for stepping outside of the box and adding a different type of romantic companion. Variety is important. Wish she had hair but I applaud them just the same. Signed DarkMaraJade

Too bad you can't romance her. NutMeg29 02:28, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Cole would be a better option for Female Characters considering how Bishōnen he looks and its wasteful not to make him an option anyway it would be better if the next game added Bishonen Love Interest for Females as well as More Beautiful Woman for Males though only Cassandra and Sera are the only good looking ones in the game and maybe ad Love Interest of both male and female love interests to have no connection or belief in the chantry Graf Gaius (talk) 00:48, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

I'd love to romance scout Harding or Dagna their so cute! --144.136.77.84 (talk) 01:44, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with you all, These charecters are all beautiful! and i have to agree Dagna and scout harding look amazing Dagna is so freakin adorable ! - Faye Cousland

Yup. I too think everyone's beautiful. We even gained a qunari romance option, but unfortunately we're still lacking a dwarf romance option in the series. This makes me sad. :( (Joao gabrielp (talk) 22:31, December 1, 2014 (UTC))

They should ad a Female Qunari as a Romance Option for the next game as long as the hair is better than the Inquisitor and maybe the hair of the Female Qunari Concept Art wold do Graf Gaius (talk) 03:44, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a Good Idea Femto Von Godhand (talk) 22:13, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

The Most Unatractive Romances for Female Characters are Blackwall with that Beard and Solas with the Vampiric Looking Bald Head Graf Gaius (talk) 22:18, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

The females in DA3 are very unattractive indeed. In DA:O you had Leliana and Morrigan, in DA2 Isabella saved the day, in DA3 you have Cassandra scarface, bald Vivianna and Josephine the nose...( 62.235.167.228 (talk) 23:16, December 8, 2014 (UTC) )

Vivianna is not a romance option and yeah Josephine is unattractive while Cassandra is fine with the scar Graf Gaius (talk) 17:14, December 9, 2014 (UTC)