(SPOILER AHEAD) After i was able to calm down from solas's betrayal. I was able to focus on less obvious revelation of the dlc. And that got me thinking about two thing, That are separate yet link about what could happen in DA4. First since i dont have another playtrough that is anywhere near where i can play trespasser. I was forced to go on youtube to see alternate ending. More precisly the one in wich the inquisitor choose to disband the inquisition. What puzzle me is that at the end we still see the cutscene where the ( Former ? ) inquisitor with the main leaders of the suposedly defunct inquisition are planning to go after solas. By recruiting help in tevinte., What does that mean ? Does it mean that the inquisition is not truly gone but just "publicly" disbanded. And they go underground not unlike the templar of assassin's creed ? Or does it mean something else i'm just not seeing ?
And the second thing is an image in thae slide-show that peeked my curiosity. It said that after the event in the dlc peoples began noticing that all the elves in orlais. ( And possibly beyond it blink too fast for me to fully read it. ) Were disapearing to who know where to probably joint solas. And i wonder will that impact the race choice of our DA4 protagonist ? And in that same line of though will DA4 force us to choose a side between this "new" elven nation and the tevinter or qunari ? DragonInquisitor (talk) 18:27, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
In the scene where the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cassandra, Harding (and possibly other people?) are discussing what to do about Solas, there are two possibilities. In one, where the Inquisition is controlled by the Divine, Cassandra says that it is vulnerable to Solas's spies and Leliana says that they have more resources to work against him. If the Inquisitor is disbanded, the scene is very similar (same people, same set up) but Cassandra instead says they have no army and no spies. Leliana says "we have what we truly need". I took that to mean that the four (or more?) of them were working on their own.
As for being an elf in DA 4, who knows. Maybe that won't even be an option. I doubt we'll be able to side with the qunari though. Their organization is just too strict to allow for any plot development. The PC would simply have to follow orders, and that hardly sounds like a position Bioware would want the PC in. It's also unlikely that we'll get a chance to join Solas's forces (at least not sincerely). I think Solas will be working in the shadows (so to speak) rather than waging war. Tevinter is too wrapped up in it's own politics and fighting to the qunari to focus on a shadowy organization that only maybe exists (in their eyes). However, it's possible that the PC could be: A) a mage or non-mage from Tevinter that stumbles upon Solas's plot or is recruited by the Inquisition (or the Inquisitor's team); B) An elf that hears about Solas's growing army of elves and either joins and is immediately turned into a spy for the Inquisition/Inquisitor's team; C) a normal civilian from Nevarra or the Anderfels or Seheron or a Tal-Vashoth who gets involved with the Seekers (remember, Cassandra still has them) and through them the Inquisition/Inquisitor's team; or D) somebody else, cause who knows what they'll do at this point. And we'll have to wait a few years before we find out anything. :( Silver Warden (talk) 19:09, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
I don't think the race choices will be limited in DA4. I think bioware will opt to at least have companions who strongly align with with one side or the other (Inquisitor or Solas), while the main character comes from varying backgrounds. In this case, I reckon Harding for the Inquisitor and that elf who saved us during Trespasser for Solas. I reckon we might see a Tevinter Mage who specialises in the fade, and a Vashoth rogue who has been working alongside the wardens, or is a warden (mainly because I want to see a Qunari warden). But as to what the next protagonist will be working for/towards, I don't know. But, I have some ideas for their origin stories. If you choose a Qunari, you are a prisoner of Tevinter, suspected of having key information regarding the Gaatlok and its use in the assassination, despite the fact that you are a Vashoth mercenary who was on a contract in Minrathous. Elf, you are suspected to be one of Solas' agents, and have been captured in the crossfire of the assassination, you are in fact a Tevinter Elf who was born in secret and has lived alongside a kind noble family who kept your existence secret. Dwarf, you are a carta member suspected of supplying lyrium to the enemy, you are in fact unknowlingly an agent of Valta's sent to eliminate Fen'harels carta suppliers. Human warrior or rogue, you are the body guard of a high ranking magister who gets assassinated, or something, you work to find the assassin and uncover the greater plot at hand. If you're a human mage you're a fresh new recruit for that thing Dorian started up with Maevaris, then seek to find whoever murders Maevaris. Basically, Solas' agents do what the qunari planned in the south to Tevinter, and assassinate the Black Divine and other Magisters in that place, the magisterium(?), (kind of similar to the Houses of Parliament or Congress). All so the elven Slaves can slip free while the Qunari and Tevinter step up their efforts against each other. 
19:49, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
Why do people assume Solas' plot will go at full speed in DA4? Flemeth's plot (that Solas is continuing after her death) was entirely dormant during DA2. Maybe we'll only get minor developments in DA4 and it won't be the main thing.
The Inquisition is under the Divine and does whatever the Divine does, so they can focus on Solas if they want to. If it has been disbanded, the (former) inquisitor and their allies plot on how to deal with Solas on their own. Cassandra, Leliana and Harding are the ones in that scene (plus your love interest if you romanced someone other than Cassandra or, evidently, Solas) which leads me to believe they'll send Harding to Tevinter to recruit "people Solas doesn't know". Disbanding leads to the Inquisitor getting rid of all weak links in the Inquisition, so to keep the secrecy and make sure Solas' spies don't track their plans they have to plot in secret. If the Inquisition stays, then they let a lot of people go and make joining the inquisition a lot harder to avoid spies.
As for the second thing, it's not all the elves in Orlais, it's just many of them. I doubt we'll be able to side with Solas or the Qunari, but the Inquisition's remnants and Dorian's faction in the Magisterium sound like good bets.--ssalgnikool (talk) 20:04, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
- I completely agree with the above statement. For some reason, the whole plot surrounding Solas seems like something you'd actually end the series with. It sounds like a catastrophic event that'll change Thedosian societies forever, whether Solas' plan fails or succeeds. It also seems like a plot that could take place across Thedas rather than just the Imperium. We could get a perfectly full, expansive game with only minimal references to Solas; I almost see Solas as a puppet-master akin to what we all thought Flemeth was, who's working behind the lines whilst Thedas goes through some real tough shit. I could see them building up Solas' threat-factor (not that it's not big already) whilst we engage in a brutal war in Northern Thedas or something. That said, I also believe it won't necessarily be as black and white as siding with Solas or the Qunari.
22:13, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
As long as i doesnt end with the choices: End the world, merge the fade and thedas or control the fade... sounds familar? Id expect thenext game to take place i tevinter and free marches with us as maybe a slave or merc from tevinter or free marches (which also makes me think Calpurnia will be a companion just pretty much building up a army to stop Solas plan/Qunari invasion/Dragon invasion/Tevinter...something to do with Tevinter. Blitzbear93 (talk) 10:23, September 15, 2015 (UTC)Blitzbear93
- Tevinter, Seheron and/or Northern Nevarra/Antiva/Rivain/Anderfels to me are best bets for the next location, I see them picking out at least 3 nations to cover. They're unlikely to go for an open world in the sense of Skyrim, but large locations here and there, just like DAI. Here's hoping for more cities and some villages in vast areas of forestry at least. I could see them do a whole northern Thedas sort of thing. I suppose they're more comfortable with the engine and so on... 10:58, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I remember during the Twitch gameplay videos when Laidlaw was asked about whether or not we could swim in Inquisition, and his answer just made me think, "Oh crap, in DA4 we're gonna be pirates". But yeah, I can see them covering more nations this time around, but in the same style as Inquisition. Lots of areas to divert from the main plot.
11:19, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I remember during the Twitch gameplay videos when Laidlaw was asked about whether or not we could swim in Inquisition, and his answer just made me think, "Oh crap, in DA4 we're gonna be pirates". But yeah, I can see them covering more nations this time around, but in the same style as Inquisition. Lots of areas to divert from the main plot.
While I understand why some people don't expect to be facing Solas' plan so soon, allow me to make a few arguments for the belief we will be. While Flemeth's plan was ominous and vague, we could speculate on WHAT she wanted, or her end goal, but Solas has been very forthcoming with his plan he's going to unmake the world. Theres no wondering (for a full game) what he MIGHT do, he told us what he's going to do. His threat also seems more immediate. We watched as he effortlessly turned those Qunari to stone, literally without lifting a finger. So it's apparent he's getting his powers back. The longer we wait to act against him (or save him I suppose) the stronger he gets. Finally; The Setup. They've practically built this DLC to tease the next game. Massive info dump, showing the Qunari are active in the south now, the fact that large numbers of elves are disappearing, placing Dorian in such a high position of power and having him start his own faction, when we just so happen to be going to Tevinter to recruit allies. Tevinter! Right next to the Anderfels, where we know the Wardens have a bit of a civil war going on. it all adds up (to me) that's the direction we're going. They basically revealed a couple major plot points they plan to focus on.
All of it feels so immediate, why would they work all this set-up only to put it on hold till DA5? DA4 would just feel like a waste of time since we have knowledge of whats going on in the "background" during this time. It would make it harder to care about whatever we were doing during DA4 knowing Solas is out there plotting and amassing his forces. That type of knowledge honestly held back the Trespasser DLC a bit, the whole time WE the player know Solas is the dread wolf, but the Inquisitor doesn't, so most of the DLC is trying to set up this mystery we have to "solve" when we already know the answer.
So if say; we were to play a former Slave from Tevinter who escapes, and is on the run because their escape also let free a bunch of other slaves. You become the "Liberator", and with the help of Dorian, start to amass a force to stand against the "evil" faction within Tevinter. You will have to make allies with the Fog Warriors, Solve the Grey Warden Civil War, make treaties with pirates, probably by killing the 1 pirate who is known for shipping slaves, ensuring the rest dont traffic people, and Ultimately take down the Magisterium, leaving it open for Doriam to take over. Then post credits, Samuel L Harding will appear and tell us about an alliance with the Inquisition. (Dragon Age: Liberation) I don't know about you, but for me, the ENTIRE time I'm off solving these problems I'm just going to keep thinking about Solas, whats Solas doing?, How are these decisions effecting Solas' plan? I can't believe I'm going to have to wait like 2-3 more years to find out about Solas" and on and on and on... It'd be hard to focus. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 17:16, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- The thing is, you can have a plot (something along the lines of an actual Qunari invasion) that has ties to Solas' plans. I don't think it'll be a plot out of the blue at all, with no links to the events of Trespasser, in fact I believe it'll be a plot that has tie ins to Solas' plan. Plus, I just feel as though Solas' plan could be more effective if Thedas is preoccupied with something else; though if his plan just requires him getting rid of the veil and letting the world burn, then yes, I don't see him waiting much longer. I think the Anderfels (featuring a battered order of Wardens that's on the brink of extinction) will feature alongside that. However, if they do indeed go for the whole Solas being the big bad in the next game, then I just don't know what they'd top that with in the following sequels. Yes, there is no need to top the ante *looks at DA2* but the difference is that the Fade and everything that surrounds the Ancient Elves forms a major part of the lore in the DA universe. It has tie-ins to everything else, almost.
- If the next instalment is the final one, which it probably isn't, then I'm totally with the plot revolving around Solas, but how would you follow such events? Basically most of the mysteries of the fade will probably be answered *he says optimistically*; I don't see what they could do to create more substantial questions to keep fans interested in the mysteries behind the DA lore. Yes, you could have an epic blight led by two archdemons and what not (despite how problematic that sounds(, but following a plot that's probably going to answer the main questions surrounding them too, I just don't know. It kinda demystifies it. I'm still adamant we will eventually lead the Wardens in an instalment, but I am starting to doubt that too. Though there is one major fault with my opinion, in that they could go beyond Thedas after DA4. That way, they'll be able to add more things into the DA universe. They could exploit the whole Executors things after this Solas thing I guess.
- They also have to be careful that they don't make DA4 basically DAI:1.5. Solas, despite how complex of a villain he could become, has goals that are all too familiar with Cory's. He could succeed I guess, causing a God War in Thedas, I guess. But the game will also feature other plots (which will of course distinguish it from a familiar plot), so I just hope they don't make it too packed and convoluted. 19:05, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Well off the top of my head if they needed to up the ante, Theres still the Titans reshaping the world, theres a ton of other mythical Lore that could come to surface (the stuff we can only speculate about). They could up the ante with actual Divine intervention from the Maker Himself. The plots as of late seem to be revolving around casting doubt the Maker exists, while also showing the Elven Pantheon and Dwarven pantheon have some truth to them, it wouldn't surprise me to see them want to prove to a single PC (and by extension the fanbase) that the Maker does in fact exist.
- As you said tho they don't necessarily NEED to up it, and in the case they don't theres still a double blight we could face (also with griffons) theres the new College of Enchanters and the new Circle rivalry, there's the "clean up" involved depending on how close Solas gets with his plans. If we're being REAL honest, DA;I was just Origins 1.5 (minus the actual origin) You need help, and each faction has problems preventing them from helping, so you and a small group go around Thedas and help them; and in turn amass an army and gain influence, put 2 separate people on 2 separate thrones, kill some Dragons, and face the final tainted near immortal enemy. Oh and then you go into a DLC where you chase down the one member of your party who left you mysteriously at the end for some answers, and both of them end up leaving through a mirror. So I could say they "found a formula for success" as both Origins and Inquisition did quite well for them. It wouldnt surprise me to see them keep the trend going till the goose stops laying golden eggs.
- Edit: both also had a side story DLC where we go back into the deep roads, at first fighting darkspawn then new enemies, had nothing to do with the main story, raised more questions then answers, and one of your *new* party members dies before it's over. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 19:39, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I completely agree. I also know exactly how they could up the ante after Solas is defeated: the Evanuris. Facing them is practically inevitable. You don't just mention something like that in a game and then never follow up on it. My guess is that Solas will do something that frees them right before he is stopped (or killed), thus setting up even more deadly foes for DA 5. One elven god is bad enough but 7 (or some smaller amount if he "deals" with some of them)? Consider the ante sufficiently raised. Silver Warden (talk) 19:45, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I could totally see that happening... right when you think you've won, 3 Evanuris thank you for helping to free them... roll credits. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 19:53, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Isn't this how most BioWare games go anyway? Gather a certain amount of whatever in different hubs and face evil? KOTOR, ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, DAI? DA2 didn't follow that route and it's been forever since I've played Jade Empire.
- Regardless, Solas says he "had plans" to deal with the evanuris and if he can be relied upon for one thing, it's for terrible plans that don't work out. Flemythal also says Mythal was "betrayed" and Flemeth seeks to avenge her in a reckoning that "will shake the very heavens" so SHE could have actual plans to deal with the evanuris? I just wonder why she had plans at all if Solas threw the fit of the century and locked them away after she was murdered. Theoretically speaking she's already been avenged unless she's talking about something else.--ssalgnikool (talk) 20:02, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
Not all elves have joined Solas, so you won't have any problem being an elven character. Next, assuming (which I have done for a very long time) that the next game is set in Tevinter there are probably two major plots, the Qunari invasion and Solas' plan to end the world. They are probably not mutually exclusive (remember how Dragon Age Inquisition bound all the subplots like the Mag-Templar War and the Orlesian Civil War to the major plot regarding Corypheous), if nothing else because the Qunari are among the few who are actually aware of the Dread Wolf's existance (and possibly at least some part of his plan) so unless you were broached by "inquisition" agents already in the prolouge or something you might be told about this by the qunari when you entere some kind of semi-peacefull discussion about their motives and such. You will probably not be able to side with Solas because of how game changing his plan is, which would ruin any sequel, but you might choose to work for say the qunari (who offer their extensive spy network and resources as you track down Solas) or the Tevinters, with all their magic and such. These two are of course probably mutually exclusive at some point I presume and whoever you choose will probably affect how their war goes on. The Inquisition, whether officially disbanded or not, will probably recruit you at some point in their hunt for Solas and are another obvious revealer of the "true" plot. Inside Tevinter itself there will be different factions vying for power and you will probably also affect their political system, assuming that you do not simply let the qunari roll over them. The Grey Wardens might also be involved but I suspect that they let them slide yet another game, for one because having too many different plots in the air can weaken the integrity of each one of them (as the Inquisition proved), second because while not impossible it would be hard to tie them in here (unless we are shown the reason for Solas' dislike towards them) and third because they are not as immediate and we need something for another game. The player might be of noble origin if they are human, slave as an elf, slave or possibly mercenary as qunari or tradesman or embassador as a dwarf, though honestly getting back the choices of origin where you can for instance be just a normal commoner might be nice. Caspoi (talk) 20:00, September 15, 2015 (UTC)