After playing through Origins with several characters, I cant help but think the game would be so much more enjoyable if there was a mod that just let you randomly sucker punch Alistair in the mouth. I am really wondering if I should promote him above Zevern on my Most hated Companions list. Its the cry baby wining mixed with the ridiculous anger that boils me. At no other point in the game is he more deserving of a sucker punch then when you do the First Redcliff quest. On one play through, After discovering the possessed son, I decided to use The bloodmagick route and sacrifice the Arl's wife to save the boy. I figured "good enough, she willingly went and we saved a child...yay." and then we get back to camp and Alistair is shouting and waving his hands at me. Now where I want to sucker punch him is that he has avoided responsibility like a toddler since the begining, Morigan even mocks him how he is the senior warden yet he defaults to an untrained new recruit (and this is the man many players put on the throne). This is where I wish the punch mod was in place, yes there are dialog options to tell him that you made a hard choice and he should calm down but its too mild, I think the way he avoids decision making yet wants to yell at you for making a command decision....really *BANG ZOOM to the moon*
tell me I am the only one that thinks this :)
Dupmeister (talk) 12:30, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
It is easy, really, don't put him in your party and avoid camp conversations, the contact is minimal. He never bothered me much as I completely ignore him, and Zevran, my party is made of the characters I love, obviously, so Leliana, Morrigan and others. Wynne made me want to die so I got rid of her and now I just play on easy, it is not like I want a challenge anyway. Well I still have to deal with the imbeciles when I do their personal quests but it takes such a small amount of time that I can just ignore the pain later and that's it. Raoniluna (talk) 12:48, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Oh the first time I played, Alistair was not even in my party and that time around I played the pragmatist and decided to slit the boy's throat. when I got back to camp it jumped to a cut scene that I couldnt avoid and he was again shouting and waving his hands. I really dont mind him being angry, thats fine, have a spine. What burns me is the fact that he is such a pansy, hiding behind the warden and letting him or her make all the choices but somehow feels the right to get loud for you making the decisions that he is unwilling to make. I have a hard time seeing what interest players would have in romancing him unless the game came with a "poison Alistair after the wedding" mod.
Dupmeister (talk) 12:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
I am indeed planning to marry him so that I can become Queen of Ferelden (sort of), and that's all his worth. No, I'm kidding, I'm sure there are people who would like him as a lover I just hope I'm not meeting this kind of people, ever. Raoniluna (talk) 14:06, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
I read that statistically Liliana is the most often romanced NPC in that game and I can see why. Morrigan I think has the most attractive personality, but romancing her is like juggling a live grenade. Liliana on the other hand starts off soft and wishy washy but once you slice her ex lover in two it does wonders for her personalty. Alistair just cries the entire game and even after you verbally slap him in the face and tell him to get over himself, he still has the personalty of soggy toast.
Dupmeister (talk) 14:16, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Originally Alistair was a "Grizzled Grey Warden veteran" but they changed that when they thought it would be weird for a veteran grey warden to follow a new recruit so they made him younger and newer to the wardens i think it's said somewhere that Alistair has only been a warden for maybe a month before the warden joins and in that time he has been kept far away from the action by Duncan so he's basically still a new recruit and he doesn't want to be in the spotlight he's lived his entire life staying out of that light he's been told from the very beginning that he's not going to be king so he never wanted it same with leadership he's never been a leader doesn't want to be a leader but if you read the comics he's much more in charge than in origins --WardenMaster (talk) 15:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
- No, I think Alistair was made a Warden sooner than that. I don't remember if he had been to Weisshaupt or not, but he did spend time with the Warden company. He tells a story about how he ate with them and would get up late to sneak food. He also talked about a Warden who could drink a lot of alcohol.
As for my personal opinion of Alistair, I think he's a crybaby punk. But that's to be expected since his life has been suck since the millisecond he was conceived. A bastard with no father or mother to teach him how to act right. An "uncle" who's whipped. An "aunt" who hates him and has him sent to the Chantry. Raised to be a templar. Not that good at fighting. Never been in a relationship. Had only the murderous thief Duncan as a father-figure, lost him. Had his birthright revealed to him somewhere along the line. Doesn't want it because he knows he sucks. At least he knows it.
That said, I personally don't have a problem with him aside from his crybaby ways. I can tolerate him, just as I can tolerate the faults of all the other companions. I did have a problem with him abandoning the cause at the Landsmeet, but again, that's just more crybaby punk for you. My opinion is that he sucks.
As for my custom characters, with Izen Cousland I think Alistair was more tolerable in that his crybaby punk ways were present but also manageable. Izen was Teyrn of Highever by the time he met Alistair, which means he actually WAS in authority over him. So it makes sense for Alistair to follow Izen's lead, despite being a Grey Warden for longer. Besides, Izen didn't like to consider himself a Grey Warden anyway, having been conscripted and forced into the order. So as Teyrn, and as one who had seen combat before, and as one who was highly skilled, being the leader of the group came naturally to Izen. As leader, he himself was much more understanding and patient with Alistair than I would have been. Izen and Alistair were like brothers toward the end.
Varos Amell on the other hand was all too happy to point out Alistair's crybaby punk attitude. And oddly enough, I actually found Alistair to be a better character in that playthrough. Varos mocked Alistair, made fun of the templars and their lyruim addiction, trash-talked the Wardens, and did not care about anyone but himself. Alistair, in turn, seemed to take a much harsher personality. Did I find him more tolerable? Not really... but only because there was nothing that bad about him to tolerate. I actually thought he was better as a character when he hated my custom character's guts. Then when he was hardened he maned up even more.
So, it's a strange thing with Alistair. He only goes soft and continues to be soft if you enable him to do so. If you treat him like crap, he toughens up. Maybe because that's what he's used to, being treated like crap his whole life. Believe it! (talk) 18:13, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
- I do not actually think that Izen had more authority than Alistair, not technically. The life you had before you became a Grey Warden should not matter (again technically). I would not say that Duncan was a murderous thief at the time Alistair was recruited, even if he had been it before. If I understood your landsmeet point correctly you mean that he leaves the Order if you make Loghain one. To that I will point out that Alistair had after Ostagar begun pouring all his hatred and frustration over the situation (not without cause) into this man and that it then is understandable that he would not stand the idea that not only would this man avoid his rightful punishment but also join the Order himself. Otherwise, good points. Caspoi (talk) 19:07, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
- What do you mean? He was Teyrn of Highever. If not right away then at least after Ostagar. If the life you had before should not matter, then neither does Alistair's, yet he is considered an heir and an eligible candidate for the throne. As for Duncan, I would say he stole the Cousland away via conscription even though he had already used it on Alistair and Daveth. He also coldly murdered Ser Jory. Given his past, he should have known better than to do those things. He should have been more understanding. Alistair didn't have to stay with the party, he just had to stay with the Wardens. That's all. But he didn't even do that much. Ooh, the Wardens did something that offends his sensibilities? Join the club pal. Izen had to chug 30-year-lifespan limiting toxic swill that can possibly cause nightmares in some, increase hunger, and let all darkspawn sense where you are. And Alistair's complaint is that Loghain will now have to chug it down as well? "Boo-hoo! Loghain will finally learn of the true sacrifices of the order he tried to wipe out in Ferelden or else he'll die trying. Whaaa! I don't wanna be a Grey Warden anymore. I foreswear the duty that cannot be foresworn because I didn't get my way. Oh and while I'm at it I'll walk out on my best friend whom I should be trusting right now, and that goes double for my half-sister whom I promised I would help after all this was over." Yeah, he could have at least stayed and helped Goldanna escape. I hate Alistair! I HATE HIM! Believe it! (talk) 23:27, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Thing is would you want a guy who basically murdered nearly every one of the only friends you've had in a long time, would you even want to be on the same team with him? I sure as hell wouldn't that's why I kill Loghain my self every time. Killing Jory was necessary if he lived then he would have blabbed to everyone he could find the truth of the joining the wardens would not be trusted and viewed as monsters and no one would join if they knew the truth of the joining then the Wardens would die out after that when the next blight comes around the world is fucked no one will be able to stop it! There are some evils that can not be fixed, one grey warden does not make up for the lives of all but 2 of Fereldens grey wardens that died at Ostagar. We the player didn't get to know the other wardens the same way Alistair did, think of it this way if a man murdered all of your friends then some one wants him to work with you would you be able to work with him knowing what he did?--WardenMaster (talk) 00:49, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
How can you not like Zevran?! How??? ;) he's my favorite by far. But sucker puch alistar, hell yeah, a drunk with missing teeth, nice Deco (talk) 20:09, October 27, 2014 (CET)
Interesting point on treating him like crap, of course its Bioware's fault. Alistair could have been saved the humiliation of being the most whiny Companion, All Bioware had to do was keep Jowen in as a companion option. With Jowen in the party Alistair would have seemed like Sten by comparison. Jowen never makes it through a play through. If there was an option to kill him in the origin story, I would. he usually meets his grizzly end the moment I see him in the basement of Redcliff castle. Its the voice I think, it does something to my brain and I see red.
Dupmeister (talk) 19:12, October 27, 2014 (UTC)