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I was mulling about the lore pages and that thought occurred to me. I remembered the story that Merrill told Hawke in the second game (the one about the pantheon and the forgotten ones) and then it somehow all clicked into place. The Dalish claim that the Dread Wolf was the one who locked both factions in their respective prisons and we know that this is true for the Evanuris but it was all the Evanuris working together who struck down the titans and their works - the dwarves who at the time were not completely sentient. And while seven of the nine usurped the land and installed themselves as kings and later gods Mythal and Fen'Harel gave that land to their people and buried the titans under rock and magic. I believe that this is the great war that elevated the nine to power the same war that Solas mentions in the last scene of Trespasser, the same war that the Dalish speak of but because of time and enslavement they entangled facts and filled in the blanks with fiction. Let's not forget that the nine were immensely powerful mages so I assume it didn't take them long to learn that the blood of the titans - namely lyrium can greatly enhance their magical power and since Mythal and Elgar'nan were the most powerful it is safe to assume that they killed/incapacitated the most titans. Perhaps the lust for power and greed that Solas mentions is the lyrium in Mythal's possession that drove the rest of the Pantheon to strike her. I am also pretty certain the taint is connected somehow to all this mess but I can't figure out how. 91.148.152.82 (talk) 19:24, October 8, 2015 (UTC){Orthodox1057}

That....actually makes a LOT of sense! Even the title "The Forgotten Ones" is appropriate since they were forgotten by the Dwarves and all of the other races of Thedas until Inquisition! This is an awesome theory! I suspect the taint is more connected with the Evanuris who might be locked up in the Black City?? I'm not too sure. 211.31.28.0 (talk) 11:18, October 9, 2015 (UTC) AzureEagle

The Forgotten Ones = The Old Gods?

Interesting theory but what about the Vir Dirthara: Exile of the Forbidden Ones Codex? It seems to imply that the Forgotten Ones were Elves who abandoned their physical forms to become spirits in the Titan war?--96.19.196.152 (talk) 17:23, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

You're jumping to a bunch of unfounded conclusions here. While we know that the Evanuris fought the titans and that their was a war in the past between the ancient elves and something else, we don't know what that something else was. Was it the titans? Other elves? The Forgotten Ones? Evil spirits? Something else entirely? I think the last three are more likely. The battle with the titans occurred during some time when the Evanuris were known as gods, but Solas says the war was what caused them to eventually be seen as gods. I think it's more likely that the ancient elves battled something else first, before they were even known as gods. The Forgotten Ones is a good guess, since they almost certainly did face the elves at some point. But equating the Forgotten Ones with the titans is a big leap in logic. The Forgotten Ones are clearly described as evil beings, whereas the titans at least cared for the dwarves. Most tellingly, a codex entry refers to the Evanuris battling the "pillars of the earth" which is probably the titans. If the titans were the Forgotten Ones, wouldn't the Evanuris call them that, instead of something else? Silver Warden (talk) 19:01, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

The Forgotten Ones are described as evil, but i doubt that's entirely the case. Elven history as we knew/know it has been proven to be rather unreliable at times. 13:24, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Codex entry: Geldauran's Claim. We know at least one of them didn't like the gods. I don't think they were typically evil. Like fen'harel, they were entangled in a sinister lie. But, they existed. And they left messages. As for who the evanuris warred with to become gods, I still believe it was the lizard men painted on the temple walls. Who may also be the scaled ones. Just seems too convenient that they were introduced at the same time that we learn about the elves true background. 14:31, October 10, 2015 (UTC)