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Now, since the realease of Dragon Age Inquisition I have been thinking that the Forgotten Ones of elven mythology might have been the Old Gods, powerful gods opposed to the elves and sealed underground, but what with both Trespasser and Descent I have come around thinking that it might have been the titans. They did actively fight wars against the elves (wars which saw the rise of the evanuris, it would seem) unlike the old gods, whose relationship with the elves has become all the more teneous now that the humans lack hardly any responsibility to the fall of Elvenhan. They also seem to have been locked in the abyss/put to sleep (and this is not even the abyss as in the deep roads but far below that), something that seems to have happened around the time of the creation of the veil. Another good point is the fact that they lack any known names and have been largely forgotten unlike the Old Gods. You opinions? Caspoi (talk) 16:44, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I would have to agree with this theory given what we have seen in the the DLCs. In fact, I was looking at similar theory by Lady Insanity [1] that you might be interested in. It gives some good insight and is backed by some of the things found in the world and lore floating around. DhampireHEK (talk) 17:41, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

The titans might be some of the Forgotten Ones, but all of them? Dalish lore says that the Forgotten Ones brought pestilence, malice, and curses. Granted, that's probably only a half truth but I doubt it's entirely baseless. I think that Forgotten Ones may be a collective term for various being the Evanuris fought, some of which were the titans. Others could be like Malvernis, who seems to be more in line with what the Dalish think of the Forgotten Ones. Even the Old Gods could fall into this category. I've got this pie-in-the-sky theory that whoever or whatever made the kossith also went to war with the ancient elves, and was one of what they considered the Forgotten Ones. It could be simply that to the Evanuris, if it was not one of them it was an enemy to be hunted, killed, and forgotten. Silver Warden (talk) 21:00, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I may have missed something but where did it say the Evanuris warred with the titans? I know theres the painting in the deep roads section which says mythal struck down a titan, but I didn't get the impression it was a war. And, tbh I dont think the elves would have warred with beings who shaped the world. They definitely mined Lyrium and... something else, which is what I think led to mythal striking one down. But the forgotten ones themselves remain a mystery. The only codex we have supposedly from a forgotten one is Geldaurans claim. Which is strikingly, qunari like in its use if the word "mastery". Think it was something like "i will strike back in mastery" and the qun teaches that loss of ones self is loss of mastery. And mastery of ones self is mastery of the world? Or something like that. But from that one codex, we have evidence that they spoke elven, and resented the gods. And, they could write codexes. So, titans could number among the forgotten, but definitely arent them whole. The plague they represent could even be the blight, which was a creation of the titans, but sealed away when the sky was held back. But thats an out there idea. Which kind of rewrites some lore. 21:40, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

The Titans seem to have used dwarves as warriors, they can't have rolled over completely as the elves started to mine them and there are elven reliefs I believe that show elves warring with people of the deep. Caspoi (talk) 23:58, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I missed the elves fighting with the deep reliefs. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting the titans rolled over completely, but we know that they fell for some unknown reason, which despite the suggestion that it was the veil, I'm not entirely convinced. If the titans came before elves and after the titans fell, the elves rose, it does raise the question of what happened to make them fall? Just because the dwarves continued to mine lyrium doesn't mean they couldn't have fallen prior to the elves being born, mining lyrium could be a way to keep the titans alive, or for their continued existence to remain hidden. To be honest, if the titans were beaten by 7 powerful elven mages (I'm excluding Ghilan'nain who ascended and Fen'harel who was not a god) who were generals in a war, I'd be a bit disappointed at the scope of power Titans hold. Titans, should be more than that. They shouldn't fall victim to "lesser" beings, otherwise... well, shit. If the Evanuris ever get out, Thedas is well and truly f***ed. 00:27, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

I am going with the second alternative, Solas seems immensively powerful, has only a fraction of his true power and does in no way indicate that he is the most powerful of the elven "gods". A group could be tremendously powerful. Caspoi (talk) 08:12, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

What makes you think he has only a fraction of his true power? I think by Trespasser he has not only all of his own power but Mythal's too (or at least most of Mythal's power). That makes him like two gods in one. Of course, not all of the Evanuris are likely to be the same in terms of power. I imagine that their leaders, Mythal and Elgar'nan were more powerful than the rest. Silver Warden (talk) 19:30, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

I think the power they hold, may be obtainable by others. Or its gained through knowledge held only by the Evanuris, and their sworn guardians. Which is why Andruil was able to let Ghilan'nain ascend to godhood. Andruil gifted the knowledge to her. Similarly, Mythal's guardian, Solas, used his knowledge to obtain equal power. And then challenged the evaunris after mythals death, if the idea that solas was her sworn guardian ends up being true, the whole wolf thing intrigues me. Anyway, I agree, some will be more powerful than others but in the end they were roughly the same. The only difference between them was themselves. Some were impatient, some greedy, others enjoyed war. One enjoyed vengeance. What makes them them is what set them apart in ability. 22:10, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

As Solas did not recover his Orb he never returned to his own full power and while he did gain Mythal's power (or part of it) I did not get the impression that she was at her full strength either (although as she has had more time at hand she was still more powerful than him, technically). Caspoi (talk) 01:07, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

So you think the majority of his power was in his Orb? I don't know about that. I think the Orb needed power to be used, but that it wasn't his power per se. Even if it did contain some of his power, I doubt it contained the majority of it - why would Solas place the majority of his power in the Orb? I think his own power came back to him after having been awake for a while - Trespasser takes place two years after Cory's defeat. If you count the year the Solas was awake before Inquisition, plus the year of Inquisition itself, that's four years. It's implied the he regains power over time (it's why he let Cory have the Orb in the first place) so the longer he is awake the more powerful he gets. If most of his power has yet to return, that means he will become even more powerful by DA 4, which I doubt. There's no reason to make him even more OPed than he already is. Silver Warden (talk) 19:56, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

If Solas only had to wait for a while to be able to unlock it why did he let Corypheous take it then? My overall impression is that the Orb contained a massive part of his power (just look at the Breach) and that is why he wanted it so deerly, taking Flemeth's power seems very much a plan B after all. Caspoi (talk) 21:18, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

What if, courtesy of the veil, Solas could never return to his full power. He wanted cory to unlock the orb, and die in the explosion, then he could take the unlocked orb amd claim the anchor. Then enter the fade physically, which is where he would regain his full power. And take down the veil. Now, the power we see him weild in Trespasser is not his. Its Mythal's. If his power would simply come back over time, he wouldn't have needed her. Also, I believe he enhanced hi base powe in the game, somewhat, by bring us to Skyhold. AKA Tarasyl'an Te'las. The place where the sky was held back. And there is a very blatent reference in Trespasser to that name. So possibly, being there brought back his power. Because, thats where he expended it, and morrigan does say the magic of the place has seeped into the stone. 22:27, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

I think that this is likely too. And yes my theory is that Skyhold is where Solas created the veil, and possible where he will undo it. Caspoi (talk) 22:49, September 25, 2015 (UTC)