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I didn't read the Masked Empire but I did read the wiki's telling of it, so I've got the basics covered with Gaspard and Celene. My big question is: who is better ruling material? Briala included.

The Emperor is very militaristic in tone, although not necessarily a warmonger or overbearing, he's a Regent Loghain waiting to happen (in most of the sense). It's not improbable that the Emperor might knock on Ferelden's door and be like "surprise muther******!!!! You really think we're letting you off for getting independence without permission? Empire of the South. FTW!!!"

Now, as to whether or not that's a bad thing is really a question of perspective. If playing Origins made you feel Ferelden then I can see why you'd want to avoid that (unless you think in-cannon the next game will enable you to join the war and win it for you country). However if peace is your desire, then this possible future may not be for you.

As for the Empress, I know she's a real game player and a bit loose around the hemline, but then again, most peace-time rulers are whether they want to be or not. It's just that her time with Briala made her politically unstable. Now her girlfriend feels jilted and is raising all Hell for elven supremacy. However, like I said, peacetime ruler and gameplayer. If anyone can hold Orlais back from hegemony or destruction, it's Celene.

Not to mention, compared to Gaspard, who disdains the game he plays, Celene is already a tried ruler. Is modern Orlais so bad? Well, hard to tell with all the rifts but I doubt the commoners really care one way or another. However, Gaspard's disdain of politics and code of honor means he might be more popular and also strengthen the power of the Imperial Court and the throne in particular--for better or worse.

As for Briala, all I know is that she's eleven. She hates Celene and doesn't think much of the Grand Duke, meanwhile she's plotting to install elves to rule the humans of Orlais. Sounds kinda KKK to me but I dunno...if your side is elven or you know something I don't, having her spin webs around an Emperor or Empress might be your thing.

^^I'd like to be a little more informed on her before I continue about her, though. I mostly only know her from my first playthough of Wicked Eyes Wicked Grace.

Please sign. FYI it's Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, wicked grace is a card game. Or was that a joke?

Anyway, there's too many unknowns to says who is the better ruler. The pros and cons of each make them all valid choices. I do think Gaspard ruling alone is slightly worse than all of the others for the reasons you stated. My personal favorite is to have Briala rule with Gaspard as a figurehead. As Leliana points out, Briala owes the Inquisition big time in that situation, so it is essentially the Inquisition ruling Orlais through Briala through Gaspard, which is pretty cool. Also, I like to take out Florianne in the boss fight, which means Celene has to die. Silver Warden (talk) 19:23, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


Well, playing Wicked Grace with the Empress of Orlais, the next in line to the Throne, and an elven spymaster who is probably the next most powerful elf in Thedas, after a living elven Warden or a Dalish Inquisitor would be pretty interesting. But, in all seriousness, in my opinion, Celene reunited with Briala is probably the best choice for ruling Orlais. While I'm with Gaspard on hating the Game, its not going away. Emperor Kordillus Drakon, the guy who created both the Chantry and the Empire, the guy who almost singlehandedly reshaped Thedas and instituted the world order that rules most of the continent for the next almost 1000 years, failed to get rid of or even significantly weaken the Game. Orlais needs a ruler who both understands and is a master of the Game, and Gaspard is not it. Also, Briala behind Gaspard's throne wouldn't work in the long run, because once either Gaspard or Briala dies, all those changes will be violently undone. You need to change the hearts and minds before you can change the laws. But pairing her with Celene, the steps are more gradual, and by taking things more slowly, they can, hopefully, enact reforms that will last beyond their lifetimes and set an example for the rest of Thedas... Then again, considering how generally shitty a place Thedas is, it probably won't last either way. I mean, if the Dalish homeland in Ferelden given if there's a Dalish Warden didn't work, and Ferelden had just been SAVED by a Dalish elf, what chance do Briala and Celene have? Orlais is far worse in its treatment of elves, so, yeah. Also, Briala isn't trying to install elves as rulers of Orlais, nor does she have anything close to a KKK mindset. She's trying to make things better for her people, who have about as much rights as blacks during Jim Crow, if not less. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 19:31, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

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