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I have thought about the idea that the Architect is an ancient magister. It does seem to fit seeing the similarities between him and Corypheous. However I do not think that he remembers being one, for one thing he seems to have taken up a name of his own (either that or "The Architect" is his nickname just as "The Conductor" is). But presuming that he actually is one (he is according to himself different from the disciples) he would therefore have the powers that come with it, including the ability to transfer his essence to nearby darkspawn/grey wardens. This is both problematic for the theory (you would abviously be the nearest tainted creature) but also interesting. For one thing (again, presuming that he is a magister) because it would make his return inevitable, as well as his disciples. Caspoi (talk) 16:31, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, this entry Codex entry: A Different Darkspawn? also raises some questions of how many of the seven magisters are still alive, or even cognizant.--FossilLord 19:42, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
Judging from the entry, there are at least two others, one of them possibly being the Architect, if they are indeed the magisters of old. I do think it is safe to say that the darkspawn that saved Amuk was the Architect though (unless there is another polite darkspawn around). I'm also interested about these "Deeper Roads." I know about the Deep Roads, but I don't think I've ever heard "Deeper Roads" mentioned in-game before. I'd also REALLY like to see the Architect and the disciples return- mostly because they were the best part of Awakening and having a talking darkspawn companion would be awesome, especially when we go to the Anderfels (which seems inevitable judging by the epilogue, SOMETHING is going on there. Also: Griffons. GRIFFONS!). --100.36.168.78 (talk) 20:16, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Well, this is impossible since (SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!) Cory is dead... but wouldn´t it be awesome if, like an ancient magister tried to bring back to life the other six... It´s Impossible since Corypheus is dead, and for a future instalment, they wouldn´t use ancient darkspawn AGAIN, like one of the ancients that survived (or the architect)... Archon123 (talk) 20:30, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's possible. The darkspawn aren't necessarily the main antagonists of the series but right now they seem to at least be related to something far bigger. Since we're getting on the spoilers domain, I don't think Corypheus is dead. To my understanding, it is implied that the inquisitor used the Anchor to banish him to the fade since at the moment he didn't have any information about how to destroy Corypheus forever. (Joao gabrielp (talk) 22:31, December 17, 2014 (UTC))

I thought that he became killable after you killed his pet dragon. The inquisitors mark tore him to pieces I think (it would be really stupid to do that move otherwise). Caspoi (talk) 01:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
That raises the question of where was the dragon while he was imprisoned? If he created it afterwards, then it implies he was immortal before hand and actually weakened himself. --Halisme (talk) 18:46, December 19, 2014 (UTC)--
More specifically that he was weakened after the dragon was killed, and more powerful beforehand. I think it is similar to Nagini the snake in Harry Potter whose death allowed the death of Lord Voldemort. Caspoi (talk) 19:47, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
Even with his essence returned from the dragon, you're able to defeat him. I don't think he weakened himself. He just gave himself some insurance, like Flemeth when shes gives Hawke the amulet in Dragon Age 2. 12.146.29.230 (talk) 19:03, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

In terms of Corypheus' ability to body jump, it is possible this is something he obtained later. Possibly the moment after he was freed by Hawke, like something in his head just clicked on. It is also very possible and more likely, provided Cory is the darkspawn who ate the other one, that this power comes from consuming members of the seven. Maybe the Architect and Cory were the only ones left, because being the douche he is, Cory hunted down his brethren and ate them. Doing so grants him more power. It's similar to the myths and legends of the real world about cannibal-ish people, it might be a native american legend I'm thinking of, can't remember. Anyway, I wouldn't mind if that ended up being the explanation, that way there's "Wait, but why didn't the architect get to do that?" moment. AND it means we don't have to face any super-evil-cliche-ancient-darkspawn-magisters ever again, since the architect doesn't know who he is, and now never can.

Also, Caspoi, you just pointed out the awesomeness of something. One of the codex entries states that the seven original magisters did not know each other by their true names, and so they had code names like Corypheus. The Architect would be a fitting codename, but I don't know which old god would be best. Conductor of Silence.... Architect of... Chaos? Beauty? Mystery? Night? DeakialSig1 14:06, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, if you end up with Calpernia as your nemesis in DAI and you do all of her quests, you learn that Corypheus actually wonders what happened to the other Magisters who breeched the Golden/Black City. He almost seems to lament that he's alone. So, if he was among the three arguing in the "Deeper Roads," he ended up with a pretty powerful form of amnesia in the end.
It's possible The Architect may just be a new version of emissary with "strains" of the original Magisters; i.e. a throwback to the original source. While I like the idea that he's one of the original Magisters who suffers from severe amnesia and doesn't remember his origins, the possibility that he's something new is attractive. Also bear in mind that if he is one of the original Magisters, he doesn't seem to have the same sort of powers seen in Corypheus. He doesn't call to Wardens. He does not seem capable of possessing tainted bodies (although it's possible that we just don't see it if he's killed by our Warden-Commander). --The Serge7 (talk) 14:25, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, didn't know about the Calpurnia stuff. I sided with the mages, so I got boring old samson. So I guess that throws my idea out the window. Damn, I kinda liked that once I found out about the darkspawn eating one another. Seemed like that would be a prime way to retain your own mind and gain more power. In terms of the body jump ability, it could be that, if the architect was a magister, he lacked this talent. Maybe he just wasn't very powerful to begin with, or the body jump is a unique skill, kind of like a specialization ability. I don't know... I'm kind of lost now. And more importantly I am dreading the reappearance of another Magister.
I agree with you on the Architect though. It would be much more interesting if he was something new, but also tied to something old. I wonder if there's another magister out there who has a similar skillset to Ghilan'nain, the creation of new and fanatastical creatures. Maybe they experimented with their own blood and a broodmother. Or...they fathered him instead.... I'm not 100% on whether a broodmother just spawns darkspawn without needing fertilization.... Anyway thats a bit weird to think about. Is there any chance that one of the magisters was a woman? An ancient darkspawn magister Broodmother? Working for centuries in the deeper roads to spawn an army of super-darkspawn that will end up being the "enemies of the shadows" mentioned in the epilogue. DeakialSig1 14:58, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

So something has just occurred to me regarding the Architect... the fact remains that he could very well be a magister of old. Now before you go and say that he doesn't have the body hop ability, he may well do. Corypheus could have jumped to Anders or Carver, or Bethany, if you let them become wardens and brought them with you. But instead he jumped to Larius or Janeka. The tainted person who was farthest from him. In awakening, we have Utha and Seranni. One is a warden, the other is heavily tainted and pretty much full blown ghoul. Like Larius. His warden side has transformed him into a ghoul. Thus, it is possible when the Architect was slain he was drawn to Seranni, because of the level of taint affecting her. So basically, I'm in the boat where I believe he lived on, like Cory, unless proved otherwise by the writers.

On another note, that codex entry about a different darkspawn is dated as twenty years old. Thus, the friendly darkspawn could in fact be the Architect, attempting to learn more on the current state of affairs topside. He does seem like the sort of darkspawn who would drink tea and eat biscuits... On another note though, the story the writer recalls is from his grandsire's grandsire. Assuming this means his father, that is four generations past (again, assuming he is not trying to say "my greatx12 grandfather passed this story down"). So, does some time around 70 years per generation seem plausible? So some time around the storm age/steel age three magisters began arguing in the deep roads. This is actually quite remarkable, Cory was imprisoned several centuries ago. The other magisters remained, and Cory knew nothing of them when he awoke. So, there is at least one other living magister of old, somewhere out there in the depths of the deep roads... Just some things to ponder. DeakialSig1 17:26, January 16, 2015 (UTC)


As for different darkspawn, did anything ever say what the Mother/childers came from? She looks like a hurlock (former human) broodmother but she spawns insect-like darkspawn instead. Maybe another part of an experiment of the Architect's? Or could she have been an ancient magister herself? Vampire Damian (talk) 00:53, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

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