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As you can tell by the title who would you choose and why? For me it's Templars since well the Templars job is to keep the world safe from Blood Magic and possesion. And look at how well that goes when people don't go through the Harrowing. Yes not EVERYONE turns to Blood Magic but for Companians and a PC Mage it dosen't count do the specilizaiton option. Yes it's good to have freedom but at the cost of you possibly destroying cities or getting possessed? Not worth it. Lord Warden (talk) 21:40, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Mages. No matter the evil of a minority, how ever large, there is absolutely no excuse for trampling on someone's freedoms. You say "it's good to have freedom," but you take it for granted, you've never had your rights restricted in the way the mages have. It's very very easy to say it's for the greater good when you're not the one being oppressed and raped. Rathian Warrior (talk) 22:07, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well first off that is a good point but the "minority"? Most of the Mages you meet are Blood Mages or are possibly being possesed. Since the Mages have freedom they can easily be possessed. You'd let them be possessed by demons and wreak havoc across Thedas? Lord Warden (talk) 22:12, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

My mage would take the third alignment, that of the Tevinter Magisters. The Maker has blessed me with such powers that it is my right to rule.
Though as the real me, I would side with the mages: As William Blackstone said: "better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer". One should not be presumed guilty because of ones birth, when they have committed no offence themselves. -- The Divine would cast the whole of Kirkwall as guilty for an act committed not by it's Circle Mages, but by an Apostate, condemn a whole city to death.
This is 'peace for the many at the expense of the few'... it was inevitable that the Mages would rebel, and that many would support them. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 22:15, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't played DA2 yet, but were my Warden involved his decision would likely be to aid the mages. They're not a victim party, but they deserve better treatment than they're being given. He sympathizes with their plight from an elven-perspective EzzyD (talk) 22:59, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks the mage-templar plotline has gotten much more important than it should be? Seriously, with DA2, DA3, Asunder, Legends and DotS, you'd think that's all Dragon Age is by now. It's getting annoying how much it's getting hammered into our heads how important it is, even though logically, it shouldn't be. Hey, lower the pitchforks and let me explain.
Everybody seems to assume that this conflict is going to lead to the end of the world, or at least a world-wide war; that it's going to tear nations apart and destroy cities or whatever. But if you look closely, it's just the templars and mages fighting each other. The mages have holed up in a fortress somewhere (somehow managing to organize themselves into ONE coherent faction despite coming from different areas of Thedas and being further divided into different fraternities, some of which supported the circles) and the templars are going after them. How's that supposed to rip Thedas apart? It's just a larger version of Uldred's uprising, with conveniently only two factions (where's the radical offshoots? or the moderate peacemakers? or the ones who just want to get away from everything? or heck, the conservatives who want everything back to normal? why are there just TWO factions?). It doesn't really concern any of Thedas' rulers, and only tangentially relates to the dwarves through the lyrium trade. Plus, if your PC isn't a mage or a templar, then how is it supposed to concern you?
Is the conflict going to cause problems? Certainly. Would it make for interesting background stories? Yes. I just can't see it carrying a whole game on its own. A series of books? Absolutely. But not a game.
As for the topic; if I had to choose, I would say mages, but I'd still like to find a way to maintain watch on the mages - they shouldn't be punished just for being what they are, but if they go bad there should be ways to deal with them. Matt-256 (talk) 23:58, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

[1] - still alive.

P.S. Mages -Algol- (talk) 00:45, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, there is a rather long older thread for that, no need to open a new one) Asherinka (talk) 00:58, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Would prefer to win the argument in the existing thread, yeah, not the new one. Rathian Warrior (talk) 01:33, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to see more of a mages live in their own country in their ow country. That way they can make their own rules on how to study magic. That way they are not going to be evil in the chantry eyes and can study magic with more mages. They can also makes rules on how magic and blood magic have to be study. Also, if you get possess then say you then get killed or maybe made tranquil if that helps.--James.rosing (talk) 02:45, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

They did that. It's called ancient Tevinter Imperium. And look what happened. GabrielleduVent 03:59, March 18, 2012 (UTC)




@Matt: How this "little" conflict is able to concern whole Thedas? Well pretty much because of Tevinter, I think. I can not imagine that the mages of this nation will stand still. They will certainly aid the mages. And take the opportunity to grasp more land in order to get back to their old shape. And then the templars on their own would be outnumbered. So the other nations have to react or they would see themselves against an army made of mages, slaves and demons. Without own mages by the way.

Also what about the family of the mages? Instead of locking up their relatives they would hunt and kill them. Will the parents of a mage really accept this and let it just happen? In the case of Connor even nobles could be affected. I do not know if Eamon is still alive, but would he stand in silence when his son is in danger? --84.58.175.38 (talk) 07:38, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not one to choose sides like this, but in the conclusion of Dragon Age II I sided with the mages because I don't think that it was fair for the Templars to kill all of the mages because of Anders, who isn't part of the circle.Concerning the conflict, I don't think the Chantry should be oppressing them the way they've been doing it, but I wouldn't fight for the mages unless forced to choose a side. Magic isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, the Chantry is using fear to control people. --R0B45 (talk) 08:28, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


Ok, I'll write it once again: we already have an active thread, Forum:Templars_and_Mages. I kindly ask everyone who wants to say something on the subject to write there, since opening two active threads at once is not a good idea. It would be great if someone closed this one and moved all posts there. Asherinka (talk) 09:28, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Locking due to this thread effectively being a duplicate. As has been mentioned, we already have a recent thread on this topic, and so I ask all users to direct their posts there. Chantry symbol King Cousland | Talk   12:40, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

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