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If you don't intend to have Alistair marry Anora, or if Alistair kills Loghain, there's quite a bit of disagreement in the Landsmeet. Anora refuses to swear fealty to Alistair, and that makes puppies cry. Alistair says she can have th throne back if he falls to the Blight, Anora goes "I CAN HAZ THRONE?!?!?!" "I said if I fall Anora, if I fall. I won't kill you while there's still a chance of that." "While there's still a chance of that." So what happens after the Blight? You did the Dark Ritual, or the Warden made the sacrifice, and Alistair sits on the throne alive. Does he have Anora executed? It seems unlike him, but it's not impossible. I, for one, hope she became a street prostitute in Orlais, Loghain will be rolling in his grave. What do you think became of her? HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 22:36, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sophie (my warden who married Alistair) snuck in the the cell that Anora was being held and slit her throat. Then spit on her and walked away as she lay there bleeding to death...Maybe next time she will think twice about betraying someone. 216.221.96.202 (talk) 23:02, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think Alistair would be too much of a wuss to execute her. Personally, I think she stayed imprisoned until he deemed that she wasn't a threat anymore, released her and left her to die alone with sixty cats. ChemistryCat (talk) 23:12, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that Alistair wouldn't be the executing type, Loghain aside, but she was alleged by Eamon to be very popular. That would likely make killing her an unwise move for someone trying to keep order in the lands. I suspect she'd just inherit the Teyrning (or whatever) of Gwaren from her late father and spend her remaining days as just another voice in the Landsmeet (albeit one of the two more important ones below the King). Of course that too can be denied her if the Warden asks for riches and a title, so I suppose the sixty cat scenario mentioned above plays out in that event.--174.3.106.2 (talk) 23:51, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Alistair would probably go as far as to let her live the rest of her life rich in the Denerim palace if she eventually got over herself and accepted him as king. I don't think he'd throw his late brother's widow out on the street, and he was willing to let her take the crown too. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 00:52, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think former Queen Annoya is probably going to sit up in her tower until after the blight, then an unfortunate rumor will surface about how dabbling in blood magic left her completely barren. She's been shipped off to the Starkhaven Circle, where, ooops! Fire destroyed everything. Or maybe she's become a lay sister in the Kirkwall Chantry when, oooops! Someone seems to have blown it to glory with eldritch explosives! Darn the luck.

Really, nothing too bad can happen to the woman. Even given the benefit of the doubt, she didn't know what Daddy dearest was up to, but then she was happy to turn a blind eye to it after Daddy killed her husband, the King, conspired to kill off the only other Tyrn in Ferelden and the Arl of Denerim and replace them with a pet viper/yes-man, sell citizens as slaves to fund his war and assassinate a Grey Warden, who by all accounts she knew to be the king's younger brother. Hangin's too good for her. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 01:09, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I usuallly let them marry, Alistiar gets a wife and may one day get her to fall in love with him or something (plus he gets an heir maybe). and Its probably the safest move because the people of Fereldan love her (and having the king of Ferelda both a grey warden and someone that helped slay the archdemon would help his cred)

What happens to anora? well either two ways in my opinion, A. leads a rebellion to take the thrown after she is released. or B. Winds up bitter and lonely. --SirXblade (talk) 01:15, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Let's just say that my Warden that married Alistair had a plan for her. The only question is if she could talk an un-hardened Alistair into doing it ;) --CommanderCousland (talk) 01:18, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

She could always bribe him with cheese. ChemistryCat (talk) 01:26, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

What he should have done was strip her of her land and title. Reduce her status to nothing more then a made and force her to live the rest of her days cleaning out the chamber pots. GreyWolf84 (talk) 02:48, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

My female Warden-commander and queen of Ferelden, El Cousland, snuck into the cell with her meteor sword starfang and cut her in half, having her dog Spike eat the rest. She loves being queen!!--LoneWanderer's cousin

Why do all you females want to murder her so bad? Because she can potentially marry Alistair? What the shit? HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 03:03, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

My reason for wanting to possibly kill her is because, to me, she is an ignorant hypocrite just like her father; she openly declares, if the warden claims to stand by Alistair, that it is unfit for someone who is inexperienced and who doesn't want to be king, to be king. That's funny.. last time I checked Maric (you know, the previous king of Fereldan, your late husbands father and your fathers best friend), claimed that he was not worthy for the throne because he was inexperienced and didn't want the throne to begin with either, and yet look! He became one of Fereldan's greatest rulers and was loved by all of his subjects. I also don't like how she claims that she is "the only one who has Fereldan's best interests in hand"; I remember someone else making that exact same claim, even when he chose to sell elven citizens to Tevienter slavers, or while he continuously refused help from the wardens to help push back the blight for no other reason than because they could possibly be "Orlesian spies". If I learned anything from Loghains actions, it's that that kind of thinking benefits no one. Plus, I don't take too kindly to people who betray me and automatically claim that I am the nations greatest threat (yeah right..) for no other reason than because I was taking her throne and power from her.

So to answer your question, no, there are many more reasons why we would want to kill her other than because of the possibility of her taking Alistair from us. Sevarian10 (talk) 05:46, September 9, 2011 (UTC)Sevarian10

I can't answer that, but she is a politician after all. One even more willing than most to throw morals to the side to stay in office. She is smart enough to know exactly what is going on and did nothing until the landsmeet threatened her and her father's position, and then if it appears her father would win regardless she switches sides again without hesitation. 174.45.9.40 (talk) 06:12, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I beg your pardon, sir... I said nothing about murdering Annoya. But she is a political pit-viper, and I feel that she'll come back to bite Alistair's regency in the ass one day. Loghain, Howe and Anora were, in my mind, the primary conspirators in the death of King Cailan. Howe got put down, and in my game so did Loghain Mac Tyr.

I do not believe that the queen was privvy to the conspiracy as her father and Howe plotted it. I do believe that she was an accessory after the fact, and having figured it out, did nothing. Even when Alistair and the Warden break in to rescue her from Howe, she was that quick to throw them both under the bus and blame them for her abduction. I don't doubt for one second that Daddy would have done the same to Howe if that weasel proved to be more of a liability than he was worth.

Annoya will also quickly suggest that Alistair be executed, if she remains on the throne because she knows the deal - a political adversary left alive is a cause people can rally behind. She even goes to far as to admit this to Alistair when he rules alone and sends her to a prison cell. Don't make this merely into female PCs offing the competition for Alistair (though some might!). If you didn't assign that reasoning to Annoya, don't get emotional and apply it here. I'm being rather practical about it - it will look like an accident. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 16:52, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

She probably brainwashed ol' dumb Alistair into marrying her anyway. At least I hope so. Dorquemada (talk) 06:16, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Aren't you to one who convinces him to do it? Sounds like you were the one doing any brainwashing.174.45.9.40 (talk) 06:25, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

We talking about "Anora gets locked up in the tower" scenario. Dorquemada (talk) 06:31, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

What? How does the marriage happen if she ends up locked in the tower? 174.45.9.40 (talk) 06:34, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well, she brainwashes ol' dumb Alistair, of course!8-) Dorquemada (talk) 06:39, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

To quote Anders: A wizard did it. --CommanderCousland (talk) 03:35, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

She stays essentially imprisoned (though a pretty luxurious imprisonment) for the rest of her life, unless someone mounted a rebellion in her name -- Mary, Queen of Scots style. No way would Alistair kill her out of hand, but Eamon would ensure he did not set her free either. If someone did try to start a civil war for her, then Alistair would have her executed. Our Alistair is sweet, also indecisive, but not weak or stupid. Methylviolet (talk) 07:46, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

In my version of the DA universe, my Warden Commander pulled her out of jail and conscripted her into the Grey Wardens. If she survives the Joining and has even half her father's ability with battle strategy, she'd be a great asset. She's also stubborn enough to handle combat training even if she's not particularly talented. That way she'll have a good incentive to stay well away from the throne, it'll be far more difficult to get a rebellion started, and she can somewhat redeem herself in one fell swoop. Although getting her to marry Alistair is actually my first choice in those playthroughs where I don't harden him, because alone he won't be much good as a ruler and I don't want him to end up as Eamon's puppet.

I can understand why people hate her for her backstabbing political ways, but the first time I met her I immediately compared her to Princess Irulan from the Dune series, a character I admire, so I found it difficult to truly dislike Anora. She's brilliant and more than capable of ruling on her own, but no-one will let her. On top of that she's landed with a glory-obsessed cheating fool of a husband. Her title and the respect she's earned as Queen is the most important thing in her life, of course she's in no hurry to give that up. She might be a cold-hearted bitch when you meet her, but I think that if paired up with someone who properly respects her and is at least close to equal to her intellect, but who also has a good heart, she could develop a kinder side. Hence why I want to keep her close to either the Warden or Alistair. Kestrella (talk) 11:38, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I can't help but to wish that Alistair would go Peter the Great on her ass: lock her away within a tower, and hang Loghain, Howe, Cauthrien and that silly noble that always sides with Loghain in front of her only window. She IS an interesting character, but an annoying one. --Appleseater (talk) 12:47, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Damn...I haven't finished the game. This whole time I thought she was one of the good characters. Grey Warden David (talk) 14:35, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

And that's why you should avoid forums until you've finished a game =P She's not exactly an evil character. Like her father, like any DA:O character, she has her reasons for doing what she does. She's just not all sunshine and roses and let's-support-my-husband's-inexperienced-bastard-brother-as-future-king. Kestrella (talk) 15:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not worried about the spoilers...I'm just shocked to find that people are talking about having Alistair have her executed. Just seems so far off from what I've seen. Grey Warden David (talk) 15:49, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

She does want to protect the people of Ferelden (though whether that includes the elves is debatable), but she also wants to keep her throne and is only too willing to betray the Warden if that's what it takes to stay in power. Not to mention what she does if you let her stay in power and keep Loghain alive. You won't notice this side of her if you follow a particular set of dialogue choices, but taking a different path brings out the formerly mentioned cold hearted bitch. That's why people hate her so much. Kestrella (talk) 16:05, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention that she never bothers to say "sorry" after a certain quest, which I believe she was rather a part of than a victim. --Ygrain (talk) 16:17, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

That, too. I was honestly rather surprised that she didn't have an "accident" at some point after that little incident, considering I romanced Zevran in my first playthrough. Still, I maintain that she would be capable of redeeming herself under the right influence. Kestrella (talk) 16:32, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I side with the Anora haters. Scheming types willing to betray anyone and anything in order to keep their power receive no mercy in my playthrough, provided that I can afford the luxury of choosing their fate the way it should be. Therefore, my Warden promised Anora full support, then crowned Alistair and executed Loghain with his own hands. Anora remained effectively cut off from anything vaguely resembling power for the rest of her life. Should there be a rebellion in her name, hardened Alistair would not have a problem to execute her --Ygrain (talk) 15:06, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, he would.. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 22:35, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

If she poised a threat to the land or to his dear pal Cousland? As easily as that /snap fingers/. --Ygrain (talk) 14:50, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see hardened Alistair having a problem executing any spawn of Loghain if necessary. He really hates the man and Anora, hardened or not. Xelestial (talk) 23:24, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

If he was willing to give Anora the throne if he died over say.. Arl Eamon, or even a Cousland Warden, I don't see him being willing to have her executed. It's his brother's wife, the rightful leader of the country he loves, I don't see him killing Anora, I just.. don't. Maybe.. but eh. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 23:27, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Considering I always have that whiny, spineless goody-goody hauled off and executed with a stinging rebuke and gladly put Loghain MacAwesome in his place, Anora winds up ruling Ferelden with the capable advice and oversight of my morally bankrupt, staunchly pragmatist Blood Mage Warden. Likely with long discussions about foreign policy in her chambers. Long, long discussions.

in all seriousness, I have no idea why people loathe Anora so much. Her father murdered Cailan. Big whoop, Cailan was an utter moron about to sell his countrymen back into bondage to a tyrannical empire they'd only just escaped a few decades ago. Big loss! She betrays you if you betray her. Oh, snap! Reasonable reciprocation! Yes, she's sooooo evil for doing exactly the human thing to do. She wants to have a major claimant to the throne executed to prevent a disastrous civil war? See every European monarch ever.

There are no 'good'or 'bad' people in Dragon Age. (Excepting of course, Arl Howe. And even his actions make sense in the context of medieval politics. Still, sick, sick man.) There are people with motivations. Some of them are better than others. Grey and grey morality. Is leaving people to die on a battlefield bad? Of course. Is doing it with the intent to save countless other lives? Arguable. Anora is part and parcel the type of character for the setting. By contrast, her actions even skew toward the more pleasant side of the spectrum, in that she's not a mass murderer, doesn't poison people or summon hordes of demons, or ship elves off to Tevinter, or blow up religious institutions.

Sometimes, good people don't make good leaders. Sometimes, you want a barracuda on your side. Or a hot, blonde barracuda with dazzling blue eyes. In closing..

"Be a man, Alistair. For once." Trollface. 98.198.53.85 (talk) 09:16, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ya know, I've played Origins more times than I can count and I've recruited Loghain more times than I can remember as well, but not once did I ever consider having Alistair executed. He survived with you through Ostagar and let you commit every foul deed you wanted, with little more than a small objection in the name of stopping the Blight.. Killing him IS evil, there's no two ways around that. You reeeeeeally can't defend kinslaying on such and out and out no grey area level.

Don't take that as me starting some weird flame war about your real life morality though.. Your Warden's just a dick.HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 09:59, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think the poster above referred to Anora, in who's case executing Alistair would be a rational -if indeed cruel - thing to do. As for the Warden, if he's a Cousland with the goal to marry Anora, this too is the easiest way to secure his place. Still a dick, though. Anyway, speaking of Anora, I really liked how an intelligent, unfettered, Machiavellian politician archetype was also a young beautiful woman. It was nicely refreshing, and while I probably wouldn't invite her to my tea parties, as a character I liked her just fine. Dorquemada (talk) 11:30, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anora is hot?! Pretty, yes, but I've always had the feeling that she was an ice statue, rather than a real woman. Being a female myself, I'm not particularly inclined to side with womanizers, but were I married to Anora, I would have sought other women's beds, as well.

As for Alistair's questioned manliness... one who stands by me in good and ill, no matter the odds, and will gladly lay down his life to protect mine, is a man enough for me. - And I say this as one who played a male Warden and never romanced Alistair. --Ygrain (talk) 14:50, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe she wouldn't have been so much of an ice queen if Cailan had been a proper husband and at least tried to share some of the responsibilities of running a country, even if he had taken a mistress. As is I get the strong impression that Cailan spent his time chasing after skirts or glory while Anora kept Ferelden together, and he never even noticed.

As for Alistair's manliness... he follows you around like a lost puppy, does everything you tell him to, and then bitches about it afterward if it conflicts with his precious Chantry morals or his own personal needs. Let's not forget he abandons you if you recruit Loghain, without giving you a chance to explain or considering the notion that maybe Riordan made his suggestion for a reason. Oh, and how quickly he switches gear from "I don't want to be king under any circumstances" to "I hereby seize the throne and execute this traitor to Ferelden." For someone who supposedly views Duncan as his example in life, he sure isn't all that good at the whole "whatever it takes to stop the darkspawn" bit of being a Grey Warden. He's a sweet strong-hearted guy, certainly, but like his brother he's too childish with too little common sense for my tastes. Kestrella (talk) 15:32, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Alistair has some immaturity and flaws as a human being, but overall he is an honorable guy (and loses some of the immaturity if you harden him) that would give his life to end the Blight and protect the Warden. He has his limits of course, which make him so very human. Xelestial (talk) 15:34, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't claim he was perfect. As Xelestial says, he is human, with faults and flaws that come with it. Yet, his good sides are such as I value highly. Concerning his immaturity, he had had half a year when he could actually start shaping his own life; not awfully much. I believe the game fell short on depicting the change he must have undergone during that year in the Warden's company; by the time of the Landsmeet, he can't have been the same idealistic puppy he was at Ostagar. - BTW, have you ever told a hardened Alistair that you were going to support Anora's claim? -10 approval is not a small number.

The "Loghain affair" is something I can understand quite well - if Riordan ever suggested my Cousland that he should spare Howe and make him a Warden, and Alistair backed that suggestion, neither of them would make it out alive. - Just saying.

I have no intention to defend Cailan, since he did seem quite a fool, but I can't help wondering if he really didn't care about running the country from the very beginning, or if he avoided it because Anora kept reminding him on every occasion that _she_ was more capable. --Ygrain (talk) 16:16, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

The thought of sparing Howe and making him a Warden just causes blind rage within most people who played a Cousland. It really does put it in perspective. Xelestial (talk) 16:48, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, very true. Although my Cousland would likely have resolved the situation by gutting Howe on the spot and announcing that since he's dead the matter of recruiting him is a non-issue. On the other hand, depending on your playthrough, Alistiar has at that point stood by while you slaughtered an entire clan of elves, let a rapist walk free in exchange for his vote, sacrificed several cages full of elves in a blood ritual to increase your own strength, defiled Andraste's ashses at the request of a clan of dragon-worshipping madmen, killed his adoptive father's son/wife, killed one of the greatest dwarves who ever lived at the request of a madwoman who'd admitted to allowing her entire house to be turned into either food or broodmothers, killed one of the people who'd traveled with you for months because she disagreed with your decision to defile the Ashes, and probably a couple more things that I don't know about because I've never made a truly evil Warden. And through it all he's done nothing more than yell at you. And after all that he lets you force him to marry Anora. Then you do something he really doesn't like and instead of doing something about it he essentially tells you he's willing to let the darkspawn win just because he's pissed at you. The only way to get him to man up is to shove a few home truths about life and other people in his face and then essentially kick him onto the throne, with him being resentful about the process every step of the way. That right there is why I can't respect him. Kestrella (talk) 22:38, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

The proverbial last straw if you play an evil Warden... and an unexpected backstabbing and desecration of all he held dear, from someone he loved and trusted, in an emotionally straining situation. Perspectives. As to why some of us are willing to forgive the need to kick some facts home - [1] Alistair was the solid ground under my Warden's feet; without him, he would have become a monster. --Ygrain (talk) 07:30, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Alistair was in some way a voice of reason compared to some of the others in my party, and plus I think Alistair would be a great king, Sure if my Warden wasnt there things might not have turned out so well (Darkspawn Chronicles) but My warden was really only there to encourage his valor and confidence in himself, I dont think he is stupid, I just think he needed someone to tell him he needs to stand up for himself. He helped me out a lot with the circle tower quest because instead of slaying connor or Eamon's Wife (cant remember her name), Which probably would have pissed Eamon off, I chose a more practical and safer method to use the circle of magi by his suggestion. (plus If you throw in Jowan to fight the demon it sort of redeems him a bit, although he gets sent to the circle) Point is, Out of all my Companions I think he is the most well rounded (better than Sten, whom argues that your not a grey warden, and that he can do better than you, yet loses his sword, Plus I want to see Sten's look upon his face when he realizes how dangerous the joining is)

--SirXblade (talk) 20:49, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

To Alistair's Defense, You cant entirely blame him for leaving the wardens, Loghain tried eliminating them rather than trying to be pragmatic, And if your a cousland you can understand him more than anything because well if you recruit Loghain, you might as well recruit Howe. Plus I always took the more pragmatic choices, Made Zathrian kill himself because he could have solved the issue of the Elves and the Werewolves by ending the curse before it gets worse, I destroyed the Anvil and sided with Harrowmont because I want a more stable and lawful Ozzamar (plus Bhelen would just be the next Stalin/Hitler) Sided with the circe because I needed them to save Connor because I need Eamon's support and I spared Avernus because instead of murdering fellow Wardens he should be doing things in a more Humane and reasonable way, Plus having Alistair and Anora on the throne to me made sense because Alistair can rub off his more good nature onto Anora and Anora could rub off her pragmaticism and assertiveness on him, and It makes the land more united.

and plus Morrigan wasnt really any better, Hates the Chantry because they oppress mages (who could not only help allot with the darkspawn, but also help you with the child), but is perfectly happy that you slaughter the circle and siding with the templars, or Lets side with the dragon worshiping people that not only have tried to kill you multiple times, but would put a very powerful assit in absolute danger. Or lets attack Flemeth because she wants to posses her even though we dont have any proof or really any reason to attack her, Or ignore all the sidequests that proof to be absolute benefical because I'm not getting paid a million gold. Let me guess, should we spare the archdemon because it could offer us a better future as the rulers of darkspawn? Great logic there Swamp Witch. (I dont hate Morrigan, I can see her goodside, but then again thats why I recruited everyone except loghain because I can see strenghts and weaknesses)

--SirXblade (talk) 23:37, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

To be fair, it's unlikely you know Vaughn is a rapist and even less likely Alistair does ("Vaughn raped my cousin but I didn't kill him because he bribed me" doesn't make for the sort of story you're likely to tell), the Dalish are pretty freaking hostile and the werewolves have pretty good reason to be mad at them, Branka could be considered as being willing to make sacrifices for the good of her people, and you may have been playing one of the Origins that didn't fervently worship the Maker. And Alistair is pretty secular and liberal for having lived in a Chantry for half his life. He may be upset with the outcome of how you dealt with Connor, but it may very well have been the only possibility in your playthrough. Those things can be justified; letting the killer of his father-figure and his brother not only walk free but be elevated into one of the positions he considers to be the greatest and most glorious in existence, when he has the opportunity for revenge right in front of him, not so much. Imany (talk) 05:05, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Simply put, I thought Anora was a bitch. I respect her but she crossed my Warden by lying to her and took her father's side like a spoiled daddy's girl even when he killed her husband (no way would I forgive my dad for doing so). I don't view her as evil but I don't like her and didn't think she or Loghain were good for the country, and I didn't view her as the rightful successor either. Xelestial (talk) 15:18, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I liked Anora on my first playthrough, but when I played again and said I would'nt make her queen and she betrayed me I found out that she was a greedy b**** who would do anything to keep her power and then hang Alistair the minute she takes the throne. Other than that I liked how inteligent, pretty, and cunning she seemed to be. MrRexfire (talk) 16:04, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that hanging Alistair thing pretty much destroyed any good thoughts I had about putting her on the throne. My first playthrough she was on the throne simply because my Elf Mage didn't want to lose Alistair, but when she tried to hang him I felt I couldn't let someone that ruthless and distrustful be on the throne. I guess my Warden is kind of self-centered, but she doesn't typically let anyone who crosses her live. Xelestial (talk) 16:51, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Simply put, it's a matter of perspective. Specifically, Anora's perspective. She (like her father), believes she is the best hope for Ferelden (which I agree with either alone or alongside a Warden husband), however (once again like her father), her arrogance and long-term vision sometimes interferes with Fereldan's short-term needs: namely the victory of the Grey Wardens. To conclude, Anora is vastly intelligent, an excellent ruler and administrator, and a committed patriot, but will sacrifice almost anything for her goals, and work to undo those who oppose her. She's one of my favourite characters though, and the wife of my "canon" Warden.

To drag this forum back on-topic though, I think it's likely that she'd be left to grow old as a "guest" of His Majesty, maybe permitted some freedoms in time such as being escorted through the market or have her run of the palace grounds. I see her as a Mary Stuart type character, who'd incite her very own Babington Plot. I think that if she did incite rebellion, hardened Alistair would reluctantly execute her, but soft Alistair would probably just keep her imprisoned or exile her to some Maker-forsaken city in the Free Marches. KC. | talk 16:44, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Funny, I feel that the best hope for Fereldan is a Warden King/Queen in combination with either ruler :D I have to agree with your assertion that a soft Alistair would just exile or keep her - he would avoid dealing with the situation. Xelestial (talk) 16:47, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

*Grumbles to self* I thought I put that already :P Fixed! KC. | talk 16:50, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I can see an Anora rule turning into those 8 years of George Bush, where if you question the people in charge, you're a traitor a not a Ferelden patriot. ANYONE who kills Grey Wardens, especially when there's only three in a country during a time of Blight, is a total piece of shit with obviously no regard for anyone's well being. In Legacy, I was pretty much ready to side with the Mage lady, but then she was going to have me kill some Grey Wardens, F9.

It was not better for Ferelden to have Alistair executed, no matter how you look at it. He's obviously the choice for a better ruler, because money and power is not a vice to him. But even if you think Anora's a better ruler because she's a tyrant and will make people listen to her under threat of death, executing Alistair doesn't make her reign anymore secure, because anyone who knows Alistair (that means you, Warden) knows he would never plot a rebellio to capture the throne he doesn't want. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 21:21, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I was inclined to side with Janeka as well but the notes that I picked up in the race through that last floor practically screamed that she was completely under the influence of the Magister under the Hellmouth. Her own notes indicated that his influence was overwhelming everyone. She sounds like she is the better (aka not decaying or mentally impaired) choice, but she isn't. I wouldn't kill Wardens out of hand, but they can be wrong, like everyone else. Dragon Age: The Calling is entirely about the Warden Commander getting it completely wrong. So is the Origins DLC Warden's Keep.

Back to the main subject: Anora's driving force for everything she does is to remain Queen. "Kill the last Grey Wardens and sacrifice many many citizens and the long term prosperity of Ferelden, while my father kills off the rest of nobility (the Guerrin and Cousland families)and sells the elves as slaves so I can stay Queen? Yes please!" Yeah... she's a pit-viper.Legionnaire Scout *talk* 21:54, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the Wardens got it wrong in Warden's Keep, after all, we've seen plenty of blood mages with a firm grasp over demons. Avernus was just too weak by then, and everyone probably knew it. But it was .. A. Get killed by the soldiers, B. Get killed by the demons, or C. Manage to control the demons and kill the soldiers.

I think that's a gamble I'd have to take if the option was there. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 22:00, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't actually considering Avernus' actions as the failure, but the actions that put the wardens of the keep in that dire situation: The Warden-Commander attempted a bloody coup of the Ferelden throne, and it backfired. Massively. Although, letting a blood mage experiment on hapless test subjects? Both my One True Warden and One True Hawke would grimly disapprove. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 03:33, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

She'd already been Ferelden's sole effective ruler for 4 years by the start of DA:O, and is well-loved by her people. Pre-Blight Ferelden does not exactly scream "ruled by a tyrannical fanatic hell-bent on slaughtering all opposition." She doesn't attack Eamon or any of the other nobles who stand with Alistair in the Landsmeet. To me she doesn't seen like the type to kill anyone who questions her. She'd likely prefer that questioning be done in private, but I think above all she's a very intelligent politician who knows a good point when she sees it. She's also constantly advocating for unity against the Blight, rather than joining in with her father's attempt to grab absolute power, showing that she truly does want what's best for Ferelden.

Executing Alistair does make her reign more secure. Not because he himself would rebel against her, but because a "rightful king" is a very powerful rallying symbol for anyone who's unhappy with current leadership. It's a cruel thing to do, but effective. Alistair is in no way an obvious choice as the better ruler. He's inexperienced, has spent his life under either Eamon's, Duncan's, or the Warden's thumb, and tries to shirk responsibility at every turn. He's definitely a better person than Anora, but as Orzammar's future with Bhelen or Harrowmont shows, the higher moral ground does not a better king make. At the time of the Landsmeet, the quickest and most efficient way to unite Ferelden and put a person on the throne who you know is capable of ruling and will do whatever it takes to make sure the Blight is stopped, is to leave Anora in charge. Kestrella (talk) 22:38, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

You've just described Jimmy Carter's Presidency in a nutshell. Probably the greatest man who should not have been president. But I don't think that Anora would do whatever it takes to stop the Blight and protect Ferelden. She has adequately demonstrated, however, that she would do whatever she has to to stay in power, just as her father did and justify the reasons later. She reinforces this by wanting to execute a Grey Warden, who just happens to have the greater claim to the throne by birthright, even though the Blight is on their very doorstep. She clearly is not putting the safety of Ferelden foremost, or considering the Blight as the top priority - she's securing her position. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 03:33, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

I guess it's really in all how you look at it as far as better leadership is concerned. I have two PC's who's eyes I look through, a formerly poverty stricken city elf and a circle mage gone apostate. Neither of them are going to care about how much experience Alistair has as a ruler. Recovering from a civil war and a Blight are the perfect time to start over. Alistair's a mage sympathizer, and under his reign, he appoints a city elf to his court, where as Anora calls for an assault on the alienage. If keeping structure and order maintained is all that matters, we might as well all convert to the Qun. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 22:48, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, though my "canon" Warden's choices reflected what decisions I would make put in his position. However, I think you're comment about city elves is somewhat unfair, as a CE Warden would have no way of knowing what their chosen monarch would do until the coronation. KC. | talk 22:55, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I guess, but DA:O supposedly takes a year, and it certainly doesn't take a year to play it. Everything in video games are minimized, from the size of areas to relationships, simply because you can't fit it all in. I'm also an autistic little weirdo that lives in his own little fantasy world and I like to think that my City Elf with maxed Alistair friendship would have had quite a few conversations with him about the struggle of elves in the alienage and what they would do if they had a chance of doing something. Whereas, with Anora, you simply don't know. This is all bias talking though admittedly, at the end it's simply a loyalty factor. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 23:00, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

While I thought Anora was a total bitch, she seemed to be an excellent ruler who was good for her country. The best thing for Ferelden seemed to me to be Alistair + Anora co-ruling -- Alistair can be the figurehead and ensure the royal bloodline continues, which would help stabilize Fereldan politics, while Anora handles administration -- but I was playing a female human mage who romanced Alistair, and who selfishly decided to keep him for herself. This was probably the second-best option for the kingdom of Ferelden, but the most pleasant one for Alistair, Anora, and my Warden. ;-) As an unexpected bonus, it was also really cool to see Alistair make his cameo in Awakening, and as a Warden instead of a king in DA2. Diyartifact (talk) 05:36, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

In my playthru Anora is Rapunzled in a tower somewhere in Ferelden, spared death by Alistair even though she stabbed him and the Warden in the back. Hmm. I think having her locked away at the Warden's Keep is fitting. Yeah. That way sad Avernus has someone to talk too. I think maybe I'll give her a happy ending too. Yeah. While locked away she learns humility from the toils and tales told by the Drydens and she falls in love with Levi. Together they have lots of babies. Yep. Then around the time Alistair is meeting with my Hawke, the beloved King that Alistair is has given Levi full Seneschal-ship of the keep and it's surrounding area. That's what happened to Anora in my canon. I dig that. Zambingo (talk) 18:38, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

She became Alistairs personal sammich maker. She stayed in kitchen all day making sammiches for Alistair. One day she forgot to give him mustard so he had her arrested and thrown into lake calenhad with a chain around her foot.--213.64.251.102 (talk) 22:37, September 11, 2011 (UTC)