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If you have to choose between siding with Tevinter Imperium or siding with the Qunari in any of the future Dragon age games, which would you side with? (I know it depends on the situation, but generally which side would you rather side with?) Danthehumanmage (talk) 19:58, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

They both are threat to Thedas, may they destroy each other. But I can tell who I hate more, Tevinter. Supporting anyone is a sign of letting be manipulated. No matter, what side you pick they both will attack you after few years. Qunari want to conquer whole Thedas as much as Tevinter wants to restore it's former glory. In politics is only 2 rules - manipulate others and don't get manipulated. Sten said peace treaty is meaningless for his people and they don't compromise.

So many people say Tevinter will never fall, but I don't think so, assassinating rulers or starting a civil war to weaken the country is a 2st step of preparing for an invasion, because 1st one is amassing resources.

If I was forced to choose side like in DA2, what I have no desire to do so, I'd pick qunari, because I want destruction of Tevinter forever. I don't care if people say it's impossible. Dreams give me purpose, even if it's not real, I have something to be going to. (talk) 20:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan.

We don't tolerate that kind of anti Qunari propaganda around here. Henio0 (talk) 20:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
You think you're a king that you speak plural about yourself? I said I'd choose them, so there is no anti-qunari propaganda. Why don't you comment my opinion about Tevinter? By this you show you're on side on the qunari especially by criticizing my opinion on them. You're not unbiased. (talk) 21:59, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
I was being sarcastic, and referencing your ridiculous assumptions that everyone expressing their opinion is spreading propaganda. Henio0 (talk) 07:13, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
When people use emotional words like opression or zealot or brainwashed, then that's a propaganda and I don't use such words and do you know why? Agression leads to Retaliation. You're just mocking me, but your provocation failed. (talk) 09:36, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter because corrupted and fucked up as they might be, at least they're not all brainwashed zealots on a holy mission. With Tevinter there is at least a chance for it to not be... quite so bad. With Qunari they'll either convert you and oppress the shit out of you or lop your head off.-- (talk) 21:07, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

By using "brainwashed zealots" you show you're emotional. I'll counter your opinion by fact Tevinter magisters are no better than qunari if you say about opression. Magisters compete with each other and as Fenris said their biggest satisfaction is enslaving a rival magister. When someone is "corrupted and f***ed up", no minor difference matters to me. To me there is no smaller evil, evil is evil. When 2 mafias compete each otherand terrorize people, they have no love for any of them, they want them both to die. (talk) 21:59, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
My point though, was that there is no compromising with the qunari. It's not a matter of "if" they're going to conquer, but when. And I use "brainwashed zealots" because that's exactly what they are. There is only single purpose to their lives and that is to serve the qun. And that is why I'd rather pick Tevinter. And Fenris also points out that there is no doubt that there are good people even among the magisters. At least they're human and have been raised as human.-- (talk) 17:43, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Does the Blights ring any bells? If that wasn't so bad, I don't know what bad is. :P Henio0 (talk) 21:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Neither; I find them both fascinating. I vote for a perpetual stalemate so that both cultures continue existing. Win-win for me. Hopefully the Qunari return to their Blue-Orange Morality as depicted by Sten (this guy can drop gems for days if asked the right questions) in DA:O. And Tevinter can move towards a lighter shade of Grey instead of the "Imperium Maleficarum" we've gotten for the past two games. -- Soulofshezarr (talk) 23:32, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I suggest to create a table of choice "Who would you support in conflict between Qunari and Tevinter?" with answers "Qunari" and "Tevinter". (talk) 09:37, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

The Tevinter Imperium all the way, for me. I'd rather see the rise of a true magocracy and the prevalence of a stricter, more scientific society, rather than the superstitious Chantry-controlled one we have in most places now. Besides, the Qunari are just wierd. I don't like them. BladedOcelot (talk) 13:32, May 9, 2013 (UTC) BladedOcelot

Magocracy already was. It's about Tevinter and Qunari, NOT ABOUT THE CHANTRY, so don't go off topic and stop spreading your hatemongering propaganda. (talk) 15:41, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
I've had enough of your propaganda propaganda. Henio0 (talk) 16:15, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
That's not mine, but BladedOcelot's. You ignore him and do the easiest ignore problem and blaming one, who detected it. And I've had enough of those fanatical hatemongers spreading their epressions of obsessed hatred. They do it to gather allies even on pages which are not about it. They write off topic to express their hatred again and again. That's what I'm sick of. You just support them that's why you're whining on me, because I have differnet opinion. You're manipulated and don't even know it, you do exacly what those fanatics want, you became their ally to spread their hatemongering words to gather more allies. You'll deny it, but it'll be nothing more than a lie. Accusing me will be only a cover your shame you're manipulated and you're angry because someone made you realise this, but it won't change this. (talk) 16:28, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't go off topic. I explained my stance, which happened to be pro-Tevinter. Also, this was my first ever post. I just wanted to give my opinion, on a forum, which happens to have asked FOR OPINIONS. I could care less whether people agree with me or not. It's my opinion. And besides, proper propaganda involves suicide and explosions. BladedOcelot (talk) 12:10, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
You went off topic, when you mentioned you opinion about the chanrty, what isn't in the opening of the topic. Propaganda is a tool of gathering allies by twisting their minds and seducing them, allies for war on this forum. (talk) 10:16, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
@BladedOcelot An advice for future encounters: instead of trying to explain something to our resident village idiot, just sit back and enjoy the show. That's what I do. -Algol- (talk) 08:32, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
I also enjoy provocation if he doesn't do anything funny on his own for too long. :) Henio0 (talk) 08:37, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I somehow doubted he was an actual normal member of the wiki. If that was the case I was going to just leave. But yeah. Tevinter = Win. BladedOcelot (talk) 12:25, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'd support Tevinter. After all, the Qunari possess Gaatlok (Gatlok?) and at least with them destroyed, all the preachy religious people can march their exalted boots up the rear ends of the Tevinters if they want. But the Chantry can't compete with the Qun, so the Qunari are too much of a threat to the Inquisition. --Did I ever tell you the definition of redundancy? 12:46, May 11, 2013 (UTC)--Did I ever tell you the definition of redundancy? 12:46, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'd probably side with Tevinter. While the Qunari are cool, i think they're the bigger threat as with Tevinter there's the constant infighting and slave revolts which should slow them down. --Halisme (talk) 13:09, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I'd definitely side with Tevinter, because I don't see them as a long-term threat to the other nations of Thedas. They're on the decline, and have been for a thousand years at least. They're not the ones with sleeper agents all over the place, either. (In Mark of the Assassin I'm usually compassionate and agree with Tallis about suppressing the scroll, but my current mage Hawke was quite put out when he demanded she hand it over, got brushed off, and wasn't given the opportunity to respond with Crushing Prison...) The qunari could credibly conquer Thedas if they had enough of an edge the next time; Tevinter couldn't, I think. I also wouldn't fancy trading freedom for the secure-but-highly-restrictive Qun. Also, notice how most converts to the Qun are people who have really bad lives in their current society -- mainly elves, probably some peasants as well -- and who don't really have any freedom to lose. From a role-playing perspective, being an adventurer in a game is all about freedom and self-direction; even an adventurer who's part of an organization and has an important duty, like the Warden, has vastly more freedom than a qunari. I can't see a character like that ever seeing the Qun as a good thing, or even the lesser of two evils. Diyartifact (talk) 14:06, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I like magic and often play mages. I can't see getting chained up and having your mouth stitched shut as a saarebas as being any kind of good thing. Diyartifact (talk) 14:08, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter. Not because it's the "lesser of two evils" But mostly because I play a mage, and completely agree with Diyartifact. I dont wish to see any mage stitched and bound like that... If i remember correctly, wasn't the only reason the Qun had mages was because their technology couldn't combat the magic fireballs being hurled at them? Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 18:32, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

If I was a mage, definitely Tevinter. Otherwise, I would enlist myself to the Qun. :-P Viktoria Landers 11:49, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter. I've never much liked the Qunari. Don't get me wrong: I'm not a big fan of the mageocracy, but, after flipping through the "World of Thedas," I cannot deny the appeal of their fashion. HELO (talk) 13:26, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter definitely, I will never like the Qun or it's society Edocrack - 127 (Edocrack - 127 16:23, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter. The Magisters are selfish pricks, but that's a lot better than absolutist imperialist collectivist mage-mutilating fanatics. You can deal or negotiate with Tevinter - maybe it's a deal with the devil, but it is something. In the end, the only permanent settlement with the Qunari is one made at the tip of a spear. Tevinter doesn't care about people who aren't relevant to them, which (as Viscount Dumar's decapitated head will agree) is much nicer than the kind of `care` the Qun offers. I believe CS Lewis once said something about the comparative merits of robber barons and self-righteous busybodies... TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 16:37, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Have you never read history of DA World? Tevinter appeareed a millienium before the Chantry, the letter was a reaction on the former. Magisters are not better, sacrifacing people stripped of rights for bloody rituals to defeat competitors is nothing better than imprisoning special people. You act like you forgot about it or you simply pretend you don't know about it. In this Imperium is no freedom, but competition with rule "enslave or be enslaved", Fenris claimed there is nothing more satisfying for magister than anslaving own rival magister. There is nothing special in them and you won't ever change my mind, becuase I don't listen to anyone, so I don't get manipulated like you. And stop spreading your hatemongering propaganda with your extreme atheistic and anarchistic views to make other wikia contributors aggressive. AND NO, NO, I WILL NOT STOP AND YOU WILL NOT MAKE ME STOP. TO me every fictional and real goverment is corrupt, band of selfish lairs caring only about their heads, becuase everyone who gets power becames corrupt. Power is the greatest desire of everyone and those, who have guts, compete for this to have world as they please. Only problem is no alternative exists, so we all have to live with that, otherwise world will return to chaos and men will again become animals directed by nothing but instinct of survival. (talk) 16:49, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
I'd just like to mention that, whatever else I may do, I'm not spreading `atheistic and anarchistic` propaganda, on point of me being a devout christian and conservative-libertarian moralist. Assume Not. TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 20:27, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
Lol XD Are you feeling alright? XD -Algol- (talk) 18:48, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Anon, why in every post you've made are you seeking to create an argument? This is supposed to be a relaxed discussion about the preference of Qunari and Tevinter. Propaganda and Manipulation have nothing to do with it. You are the only Wiki contributor here who is being aggressive. And you seem to have the strange notion that you're understanding of power and politics and the like is more sophisticate than others, rather than simply listening to what others have to say. Stubbornness for the sake of Stubbornness is not a virtue, nor clever.
Tevinter may not be free, but the Qunari have no concept of what freedom ever is. There's not even the capacity of independent thought. And no, I don't believe Fenris ever said that Magisters enslaved other Magisters, their game is one upmanship. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 20:46, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
You don't see things I see, that's why you understand nothing. Every time a topic about mages appears, new anti-chantry propagandas appear and I am sick of that, they all make me puke. That's topic about comparing Tevinter to qunari not to the Chantry, but so many do it, because they are obssessed on their hatred to the Chantry. Their authors use emotional words to draw attention to themselves, because they want others to buy their extermistic views, that's the manipulation by propaganda to gather followers and that topic is an excellent opportunity. You can find Fenris'es note about magisters enslaving mages in on this page Fenris/Dialogue 1st act 2nd dialogue. Refusing to listen is a method of not getting seduced by propaganda, I listen to no politian and I don't get manipulated like rest of their fallowers. Stubborness is a mean to be independent from influence of others. Those propaganda spreaders know only violance, so I speak to them by only language they understand, if making new topics to divert attention from that war fails. I support no side in that idiotic conflict, I simply want no more using emotional words to express own hatred. People see violance and become violent and appearance of next victims is a matter of time. (talk) 21:58, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Erm, how exactly do you know what I've seen?.. And how exactly do I 'understand nothing'. You do get that this is a work of fiction? And people are invested in the fiction, people are entirely within their right to take an in-character hard line view - Chantry v Mages etc, because that's what the people of Theadas would do. If you hate it so much, why are you here?
Refusing to listen, is refusing to learn. This just makes you more susceptible to manipulations, It means you have no judgement. Politicians do often lie.. but you're not going to know that if you don't bother to listen and make the judgement, for yourself. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 00:14, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
You don't see propagandas and true purposes of words used by those anti-chnatry extremist. I don't critize pro chantry extremists, because they don't appear, it would look like a misplaced reaction and you don't understand it, because you lack my suspiciousness, that's why you don't see. Why I do it because I hate it? Ask same question to Anders about being in Kirkwall. Another proof that you don't understand. What can we learn from politicians? Only lying and hypocricy. I refuse to listen to them because that's my way of not getting manipulated. If you support anyone, then you're manipulated by their tryings of gathering allies. All politicians are the same - selfish power hungry manipulators, for who people nothing more than votes. You still don't understand I never listen to anyone. (talk) 07:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Oh I understand; primarily you're attempting to sound knowledgeable about something that you truly don't have the faintest understanding of. Some politicians may lie, but not them all. There are many there because of their convictions. You ignoring what they say is you're own failing, and because of that the democratic process is lost on you.
The amusing thing is, you claim that your method of 'suspiciousness' protects you from these 'manipulations', when infact you've been thoroughly manipulated already; you got those incredibly naive views from someone. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 12:33, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
I trust nobody and that's why I'm still alive, that's suspiciousness. I trsut nobody, so I support nobody. Nobody has any political use from me. Democracy faield my countrymen everytime after my country was liberated from Soviet dominantion, most of my poeple even don't go for voting because all politicians made empty promises. To them dictator or president makes no differnce, nobody cares about ruled people but their support and taxes. You're the one, who attempts to sound knowladgable about things you have no idea about. And I'm done talking off topic with you. What you do now is your own propaganda to make believe your views, but I don't buy any of them, I don't give anyone so much credit like you. (talk) 13:32, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
You're arguments are a maze of paradoxes, they contradict themselves - this is why your perceived knowledge actually come across as pure nativity - especially since you insist on using words such as propaganda in unnecessary places. If you truly trust nobody, then I pity you.
But as you say, this discussion is off topic. And the reason I engaged in it was to explain that you needn't take it so seriously. Qunari-Tevinter.. we're all here because we enjoy the same universe and want engage in it. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 22:00, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Anon or whoever you are person just please stop ruining my thread. It's just...embarrassing. Danthehumanmage (talk) 02:26, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just a reaction for others using too emotional words to spread their extremistic anti-chantry views as an allusion to their hatred to real religious organisations, that's calling for real world wars to destroy religions. Chantry isn't even a part of your topic and they compare Tevinter more often to the chantry rather than to qunari. That's because they are bound to their hate. I'm just a reaction, they are the sources. May they stop writing beyond the topic and not use emotional words, then I'll criticize them no more. If I do what you ask, that will mean I surrender to you, no I don't give up, because I have strong will.

Henio0 stared about the propagandas and you ignored him, because it's so easy to brand anonynous and not mess with named ones, that makes you a look like ignoring problems. Why should I listen to you, if you ignored me when I suggested to to create a table of choice "Who would you support in conflict between Qunari and Tevinter?" with optional answers? You ignored my suggestion and showed no answer. Refusing is better than ignoring. Now you dare to tell me what to do expect I'll listen to you. How wrong you are. (talk) 07:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter will rise again! Death to the Qunari! Glory to the Imperium!—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I disagree, but at least you do not write off topic. Good move. (talk) 07:36, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

As much as I do enjoy someone sticking up for the Chantry, (and at the risk of feeding the troll) I find it necessary to point out; you appear to be making the same kind of wild and blind accusations you're accusing us of doing... The bottom-line topic is Tevinter v Qun. In the context of Tevinter, yes they own slaves, it's a HUGE part of their economy. Blood magic had the capacity to sac an entire city, and take a group of mages to the black city within the fade. I don't condone slavery, or use blood magic, but as a fellow mage I'd have to agree it's a topic worth exploring. Political intrigue is nothing new within Thedas. It sounds more like you're anti-mage and less pro-chantry. There's constant talk of Fenris when he recalls Tevinter... personally I would take what he says with a heap of salt. He's the polar end to Ander's who believes ALL templars want mages dead, which isnt the case at all. Just because the Magister's use blood magic to gain political edge over a rival isn't really any different then the game Bard's in Olais play, or the crows in Antiva play... how's the line go? "In the game of thrones, you win or you die"? The propaganda that anon seems to spread is you show up to tevinter and at the border they ask "Can you do blood magic?" and if the anser is "no" they slap a collar on you and hand you to the person behind you who answers "yes". There's more to it then that... Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 07:24, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

You ignored my previous notes that I don't criticize pro-chantry wikia contributors because they don't appear, You went off topic at least 5 times in one note. I never wrote anything about blood magic as a bad thing, now you're the one blindly accusing. Difference between hiring bards and using blood magic is no death of slaves is required to kill a target just money hire an spy. Spending money or sacrifacing lives of people beyond this conflict, that's answer for your question. (talk) 07:36, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yay, I get to have an unpopular opinion! I would side with the Qunari over the Tevinter Imperium. Out of the two powers, I think it would be better to have the Qunari take over rather than Tevinter. Relatively speaking, of course. --Agent047 (talk) 11:48, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if it'll help, but you're not alone in your opinion. I think in similar way. (talk) 12:43, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
We stand united togehter then! Arishok for President 2016?--Agent047 (talk) 22:23, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I've got to go with Tevinter on this one, if only because I really like playing as a Mage and being bound and chained my entire life would suck. But honestly, Tevinter did build and help make old Thedas which becomes modern Thedas over time; the Qunari have contributed little to actually 'help' the world imo. Lastly, Tevinter just seems like the lesser of two evils; Qunari either kill or convert, while I can hope somehow somebody like Sten would take charge and a more moderate view would become dominant- I doubt it very much. Not knowing your life sucks doesn't make it suck any less, although that applies to slavery in Tevinter as well I suppose. Friendlysociopath (talk) 17:42, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Tevinter had been building Thedas for 8 centuries, a 1 century later the Imperium collapsed because of Andraste's rebellion, Northen part only defended itself, when rest of the land was took from it's influence. For next millenium other countries like Orlais, Ferelden, Nevarra, Antiva, Rivain and Anderfels created their cultures and builded own villages, town, cities, houses. temples, castles and pallaces. They did it without help of the Imperium. Froniters of the new countries changed in wars and the blights. The Sten appeared in DA:TWS as the newest Arishok and he wasn't different from his predecessor, he needed to be defeated in duel to listen to advice of his former companion Alistair. Qunari are a conservative people, their change is doubtful. Their kill or enslave is no diffent than Tevinter method. Killing and enslaving people from other lands is nothing special, nobody thinks about giving authoniemies to conquered lands. Qunari don't sacriface their slaves for rituals unlike Tevinter. Qunari don't lie and keep their word, if they officially agree. They wrote a treaty, but they admited they only want to save strength for next war and Arishok openly said that one day his kind will return. If you see Tevinter as lesser evil, then you should know they are less organised than the qunari, every loyal soldier knows his place and they have technology which can compete with Imperial magic. So wrok on organisation of troops, if you want to fight against an army organised like a modern Japanese company. (talk) 18:47, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Your first statement only goes to prove Friendlysociopath's. Tevinter branched out and it wasnt until the territories were lost that those other cultures could thrive and build. Just because Tevinter didn't physically send their own people to build them is irrelevant. The imperial highway used in Fereldan is a primary road used by merchants and travelers alike (including 'The' Warden). "their kill or enslave method is no different then the Tevinter method" Is what this whols post is about, having to choose between the two, given they are both depicted as enemies within the games themsevles. The Qunari are powerful warriors, and are more technologically advanced, But that's all they have, and thats all they'll contribute. Qunari invasions at one point were so bad, "Both Divines, white and black, declared Exalted Marches and for the only time since the Schism of the Chantry, they worked together." <---- That is what a true threat can cause. Like in the case with the Felicisima Armada, people who were once at each others throats set aside all differences in order to have a unified front against the Qunari, no different then a blight. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 17:57, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

As a Templar sider, I choose Qunari over "Legal" Maleficars MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 05:39, 25/05/13 (UTC)

If anyone could take down Tevinter, it'd be the Qunari. The Tevinter magisters rival eachother, while the Qunari are organised (understatement, I know) and are never divided. Anyone who differs in any way to the Qun is not tolerated, to stop time wasting. The Qunari have much more advanced technology than Tevinter, and the rest of Thedas in general for that matter. So I think it's possible for a full on war between the two. Regardless, I'd definitely side with the Qunari, simply because I'd consider them better allies for the reasons I just stated. Oh yeah, and because Sten is just awesome. --CrackFoxJunior (talk) 22:06, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Anyone else think that the Qunari-Tevinter War would be a good setting for a "Battlefront" style game? Or an MMORPG, I suppose, though that's not really my cup of tea. (talk) 12:28, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

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