FANDOM


This Forum has been archived

Visit Discussions
Forums: Index > Lore Discussion > Quanari vs dwarves humans vs elves
Note: This topic has been unedited for 3061 days. It is considered archived - the discussion is over. Do not continue it unless it really needs a response.

who would win? quanari vs dwarves or humans vs elves? to me i think dwarves would win they would go berzerk and they would have an advantage if halfway through the battle tapsters tavern is there and to me elves vs humans i think maybe humans since there are more elves than humans and there technology are much more how should i put this...advanced

Please clarify, are you saying that elves would lose because they have inferior technology or that humans would win because there are more elves? Anyway, Qunari vs. dwarves. The Qunari have more land, better training, better technology, no darkspawn knocking on their doorstep 24/7 except in blights and do not have nobles setting their own cities ablaze with political scandal at the drop of a hat. That being said, Qunari, definately the Qunari, unless the Chantry declared another exalted march to save the dwarves, as it were. (Given the state of things after DAII, that is not likely.) Humans vs elves... again, one side has all the advantages. Let's also consider the history of Thedas. Tevinter crushed Arlathan, The Chantry crushed the Dales. The elves would stand no chance in that war unless they got outside help. (I would want the elves to win, but I am also a realist.) --Isolationistmagi (talk) 21:02, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sign your posts, please.

I personally think Qunari can defeat every race and nation they desire, especially dwarves with no magic. But it also depends on where the fight would take place. Obviously, in Orzammar and the Deep Roads the dwarves would have the home advantage. Qunari might not be that great in small caverns and that. Topside, Qunari have no real enemy.

As for the elves vs humans, it's obvious. Humans already defeated elves when they were much more advanced. The modern elves are even less powerful than the elves of Arlathan and Dales.

But, if it was one Qunari versus one dwarf, I'd have trouble stating the winner. Probably the Qunari, but I'm not convinced.

And as for one human vs one elf - I think elves and humas are equall at this time and it would depend only on the skills of the individuals fighting. Henio0 (talk) 21:08, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

but remember the wuandari tried invading kirkwall twice and lost twice! the 2nd siege of kirkwall the quarnari had 400 soldiors there and the cityguards were outnumbered 10 to 1 so lets see i choose dwarves and the quanari are always blabbing on about how they will conquer fereldan well see well see! and elves vs humans...well i dont know

The failed attempts on Kirkwall? Magic. And Hawke. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 21:30, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

But when the Qunari invaded Thedas, they foolishly attacked all the nations at once. And conquered most of Thedas until the people pushed back. If it was one nation against Qunari in an open war (because the struggles with Tevinter isn't really war) there would be no stopping Qunari. And the Kirkwall Arishok's army was not defeated in Kirkwall, I think. Sure, Hawke, city guards and templars did kill some of his men, but when Arishok was defeated (or the book and Isabela given to him) many Qunari left the city. If they wanted to keep the city, they would have. Not for long without reinforcement, but still. Henio0 (talk) 00:53, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
If Hawke were not in Kirkwall, would the Qunari have left? --Isolationistmagi (talk) 00:56, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think Arishok would leave without the Tome Of Koslun, therefore no Hawke = no Isabela coming back with it. I think he would stay there in the Keep and defend himself. But eventually the templars would manage to enter and kill all of his men. Even the Qunari can't fight forever. :P But even if they could kill Meredith and all the others, the neighbour cities would surely send help to defeat the enemies of Chantry. But I think secretly that was what the arishok wanted. To die fighting instead of rotting in the docks like some kind of bas. Henio0 (talk) 01:01, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. The reason the Qunari left Kirkwall was because Hawke was there. They may or may not have held Kirkwall without Hawke's influence, but we don't know that for sure, so we (or at least I) must assume that Hawke was instrumental to the Qunari leaving. If he hadn't been there, they wouldn't have left. (Interesting theory about the Arishok, by the way. Not sure he's the suicidal type though.) --Isolationistmagi (talk) 01:13, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Qunari vs. humans has been going on for a while, and seems to be a draw -- neither side seems to be able to defeat the other. As for the others ... the dwarves don't have the population to go on the offensive, but they'd probably win a defensive war against anyone. There are just too many ways to set nasty booby traps and ambushes underground. (Given the way they play with magma in Orzammar, I can just see them luring an invading force down a tunnel, then flooding it with molten doom! And they also have some powerful lyrium-based explosives.) The elves would likely lose against humans or qunari, due to population again. Their magic might let them put up a decent fight, but we've seen elves vs. humans a couple of times in the history of Thedas, and the elves lost both times. Elves vs. dwarves would be a draw -- I don't think either side would be effective enough against the other to win. Diyartifact (talk) 00:12, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

OP: Before I forget again, you spelled Qunari wrong every time you used it. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 00:51, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

The elves can be crossed off before we even start, they have been defeated and subjugated by humans multiple times. If we're talking armies vs armies, then we can also cross the Dwarves off, their numbers (like the elves) are few due to the fall of their Empire, thanks to the darkspawn. Whilst Humanity has a massive population, and dominates the whole of Thedas, the only species that could put up a fight is the Qunari - as they proved in Kirkwall. Although we don't know if their numbers are greater, fewer or the same as humans they do have the advantage of greater physical strength and, as far as we can see, unification. Humans have the advantage of independent motivations, and survival instincts as well as infighting between different Human nations, in rivalry comes strength. Humans vs Quanari? I can't say, being a Human, I would support them. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 01:35, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget the Circle of Magi. Humans are substantially better at magic than the qunari, which (if I remember the Codex correctly) was the key advantage that made up for the qunari's gunpowder. Diyartifact (talk) 00:30, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

What is this supposed to be some magical scenario where all members of the race joined hands to fight against the other races..?

...if that is the case the elven race would probably come out the better party by the end, assuming they timed it right.

The qunari would assumingly invade thedas again and with all the human nations united be repelled, the humans could launch a counter attack potentially take par volen, though the qunari navy with their advanced gun powder armaments might be able to hold them off for a time.

The dwarves would never want to invade the surface lands in the first place and if they did suffer major morale issues where their soldiers would be terrified of the sky. But with the two remaining cities united they would probably take back much of the deep roads and thrive down there...at least for awhile. Likewise no surface race would have interest in their infective way of life underground, or to deal with the darkspawn every day so the risk of invasion is low.

The elves on the other hand could destroy human civilization. The dalish could wreck havoc on human farm lands cutting off supplies while the city elves rebel from within. Combine the two and human civilization will collapse. Dwarves will start to suffer with the loss of trade with the surface and eventfully die off or strike for a more sustainable life on the surface, would be ramshackle villages around as the remnants of the the human and dwarves always under the threat of dalish raids. The dalish on the other hand would continue their nomadic life growing in number as they take surviving city elves in. Eventually they would found permanent civilizations and reign supreme in thedas, the only threat would be a second qunari invasion from wherever across the sea they came from. In that case the qunari invasion forces would suffer from the guerrilla warfare the dalish would be proficient in and the qunari strategists would not even be able to comprehend.

I see I might of misread and you mean certain races specifically against each other...the human v elf bit above still stands and I think the qunari would still have little interest in the underground realm of the dwarves. That being said they would be able to besiege the surface entrances to the deep roads and effectively cut them off, eventually they might degrade the stalwart dwarven society down and convert many who fled the siege and the qunari would likely be content with that as attempting to invade the thaigs would be a very costly endeavor.174.45.9.40 (talk) 04:44, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

That couldn't happen. Since for a start the Dalish and the Alianage Elves aren't aligned with one another, in fact the Dalish are as suspicious of outsider Elves as they are of outsiders in general. If in the unlikely event they ally and the Alianage Elves did "rebel from within" then they would be quickly wiped out in a purge similar to what Howe carried out in DAO, they couldn't do any effective damage because Human governments could declare every Elf an enemy of the state, and they would be easily rounded up and killed or arrested, due to the humans being well armed and the elves being almost unarmed. If the Dalish elves attacked human farms then they would cause allot of damage, but the humans would recover, easily and respond with a vengeance. Forests could be burned to take away their hiding places etc. Orlais and Tevinter proved how easily the elves could be defeated, even when their civilisation had greater supplies. The Dalish wouldn't be able to stand against a single human nation, let alone them all.
And the fact that the Dwarves haven't taken back any of the deep roads, indicates that even allied with the other city they wouldn't be able to take back any of it. As I initially said, the Qunari are the only race that could stand against the humans. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 12:56, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
...read the first part of my post.
First off depending on epilogue endings orzamer alone can retake much land under ground and even more with a bit of outside support, the two cities are more than capable of taking back the deep roads united.
Do you really think that the governments could field the manpower to lock down every alienage in every city at the same time? Do you think that every city could survive the loss of their main source of grunt labor like that at the same time? Burn down the forests...all the forest? If they some how managed to do that they would end up dooming the human economy all the same. How would they easily respond when a dalish clan could out move any slow human army dispatched to catch them? If they humans started dispatching armies how are they going to control the alienages and be able to respond to the next location the dalish chose to raid?
It would not be half as simple as you put it. Just look at london(or france for that matter) to see how out of control a situation can get in the modern world where the governments have a much higher response ability and technical advantages over uprisings. And by the end that was not even for any purpose other than the want to loot and riot and died down, racial uprisings with a purpose will never be clenched that easily...that's much the reason the humans were able to take out the elves in the first place.
As for the qunari if the tevinter prowess in combat magic and experience fighting them were to be combined with the ability of the other divine to call massive numbers in an exalted march a united human force could fend off any qunari invasion. The first qunari invasion faced a continent split into multiple factions and was still beaten back, if the modern world of thedas were to unite the qunari would no longer have that advantage, the highly religious people of thedas would be aware of what the qunari do to those they conquer after the first(not to mention see what happened in Da2) and the original technical advantages they had centuries ago would be lessened.174.45.9.40 (talk) 18:59, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
If they had the need every human nation/city that contained a alienage could initiate a purge without compromising the defence of the nation. The elves don't have twitter, they couldn't stage a rebellion across Thedas simultaneously, they couldn't communicate with any other alianage, or the Dalish.
It is true that the dalish could out outmaneuvere the humans but it can't give them an overall victory. As history proved, Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni lead her troops against the might of the Roman Empire and won many battles, but in the end her rebellion was no match for the might of the Roman empire, and it was quashed. And she had the advantage of fighting on home turf and greater numbers - luxuries the Dalish don't have. The Dalish can raid, village, towns or even military bases yet they could not assault one major human city. If they were thought dangerous enough, they could and would be wiped out indiscriminately.
On communication their is also an issue the Dalish have in that they have no way of communicating with one another as their clans are scattered and only meet up once a decade, humans however can just send messages across to other cities.
This hypothetical war against the Dalsh and the Elves in general could be done with out even being considered a "war". As I said the Dalish couldn't challenge a single human nation, let alone them all. The loss of their grunts for general labour, and the damage of the economy would be inconsequential, as the Dalish couldn't cause enough damage how ever much they. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 22:47, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

elves would kill all other races because the elves have helidor the elven mage from level 63 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.27.52.125 (talkcontribs) 14:02, 30 October 2011

better question would be what would happen if each race was at their best. i think the dwarves would draw with the qunari as they can pop up where ever. the human's and the elves would be at the biggest disadvantage as their lands would be close so they would be dealing with each other while getting attacked from different sides. obviously the dwarves would not have the technology to attack the qunari unless the deep roads reach the qunari islands. and the qunari would never be able to beat the dwarves on their home turf. so draw between the qunari and the dwarves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathbott (talkcontribs) 16:22, 30 October 2011

Sign your posts. That wouldn't be a better question because the status of the individual races is a reflection of historical ability and strength. The fact that humanity has been the most powerful species in Thedas for all known history speaks volumes. The Elves don't have lands because they were defeated twice by the humans, who took both Elvhenan and the Dales from them. The dwarves can not pop up from where ever, as you could see in DAO their were very few exits from Orzammar, and they could be easily closed by both sides in times of crisis. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 18:33, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I have something to say about the humans vs elves thing remember valenna the power she possesed to control the tress the wild sylvan and the wolfs sure the humans got more advanced weapons... but the elves got nature on there side... and if it was all elves vs humans what allies do humans have? nature i dont think so the closest thing to nature for them is mabari


If it was the full might of each faction brought to bear, I would have to say that Humans would win, because elves lack technology, and the Dwarves/Qunari simply can't match them in numbers. But if it was, say, Dalish vs Qunari vs Ferelden vs Orzammar, Orzammar and Qunari would be at a stalemate, because the Dwarves could hole up in Orzammar indefinitely, as no amount of cannons could breach iron gates such as the ones they have. Food wouldn't be a problem either, as they have proven before that without trade, they can survive on nugs and mushrooms. -anonymous

huh?! what! the elves have nature come on! the sylvans are strong!

I think the Qunari Vs dwarf depends a great deal on your choise concerning the anvil of the void. If the dwarves could use the anvil of the void to turn outlaws and prissoners of war into golems they would have a huge advantage. However since the Qunari outnumber them and are slightly more technicaly advanced then the dwarves and can use gunpowder and therefor canons they might be able to pull it off. Also, it might depend on who you made king of Orzammar, if Harrowmont is king he will most likely only allow dwarves of the warrior caste to fight which would put them at a dissadvantage. If Bhelen is king however the dwarves will most likely have a whole lot more warriors at their disposal. Also there is the problem that it seems unlikely that either race would be able to invade the others homeland. I doubt dwarves are skilled sailors and since qunari ships have canons they would be able to defend Par Vollen and Seheron easily. On the other hand the deep roads would be no ideal battleground for the qunari, they wouldnt be able to use their cannons efectively in the narrow tunnels and since the dwarves seems to be able to build some nasty traps in the deep roads, some that might involve lava. Not to mention the darkspawn that the Qunari would not know how to fight since the blights never reaches their lands and so they would be at a dissadvantage. Not to mention the complicated tunnel network of the deeproads which the dwarves who must have maps over, even though they have lost some of their old thaigs and most of the tunnels the legion of the dead must still be very familiar with all the tunnels.

In the end I think none of them would be able to defeat the other.

As for humans vs elves, humans, no doubt in my mind, the elves have allready gotten their asses kicked a number of times, they are scattered all over the worlds in small tribes and would most likely not be able to make an army. Even though they might be able to burn farmlands and attack villages their numbers would still make them easy to eradicate.--Blighter (talk) 20:36, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

i have something to say about the dwarves and who you choose about king because remember in awakening if you took the tablet it shows how hirol let the casteless fight the darkspawn so that means the dwarven court would probably let the casteless fight and kal hirol has soldiers now.. so yeahUser:Akira14-6


I'm not certain of what the context of this is, but if you mean in a large scale racial war sense, it's a tough call. The Dwarves have great warriors, but they're pretty few now and would probably be overwhelmed numbers-wise. The Elves, it's a tough call. They seem to make great assassins and mages but their people have been oppressed for so long, they don't really have technology or unity on a full racial scale (Then again, neither do most races). Humans aren't particularly advanced, but they're by far the most numerous in Thedas and pretty balanced, skill wise. Their sheer numbers are what have allowed them to remain the dominant race. As for the Qunari, I would say they have both the ability and technology to dominate. I'm not sure how they'd fare against other races in sheer numbers, but I recall Fenris hinting that the Qunari probably could sweep through and dominate all of Thedas if they really wanted to and are just biding their time. I would be curious, though, to see if the Dwarves could hold out until the end of the fight or if the Elves would finally band together and really make a stand for themselves. --64.121.107.163 (talk) 04:03, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.