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Seems to me that bioware designers got tired of making a culture for everyone in Thedas and just made Orlais a cheap copy of France. I mean those accents some home managed to make the crossover from reality in to DA:O. Any thoughts? --->Diesel Renz Talk 21:50, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
- There is no way for sure to know what part of thedas is based on an actual country. I don't think all parts of thedas are based on countries in europe, I think bioware's inspiration goes farter than that. Although many think all in DAO revolves arround Europe and forget that bioware is located in Canada and in the USA._Alec trudel, July 16th, 2010
every culture in DA is based on a real world counterpart- i believe ferelden is england antiva- is spain orlais- is france tevinter is italy and etc
Yes, it is heavily based on France, and the developers never denied it. Most countries in Thedas have real-life counterparts. Ferelden = England, Orlais = France, Anderfels = Germany, Antiva = Italy, Tevinter Imperium = Byzantine Empire. If you look carefully at the map, Thedas is actually Europe upside-down. Oh, and the qunari are obviously based on Islamists. Polymer (talk) 22:03, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Qunari are not islamists. Qunari are more like Native American... Buddhists.--Thehikki (talk) 21:51, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
The real-world-analogues thing has been commented on extensively in DAO fandom, yes. I do find it kind of funny that you single out the Orlesian/French accent in particular, though. What about Zevran's Spanish accent? Alistair's British accent (his actor is originally from Scotland, I guess). And what about Morrigan's accent? That's how Claudia Black really talks, you know.;)--DarkAger (talk) 22:25, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
The qunari aren't based on islamists. they're more like aggressive fundamental Buddhists. Their only similarity with any muslim dynasty is that they are technologically advanced (Ottomans).Blaze86420 (talk) 23:54, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Islamists treat their religion as a political system. That's the main similarity. Polymer (talk) 00:17, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Tibet was/is a Buddhist Theocracy, Vatican City is it's own Sovereign Nation and if they don't treat their religion as a political system I don't know who does. So no, as Blaze86420 said Islamists are not the only ones. D.Solstice
Lol, yeah, it was obvious and very clear the accents and the analogies, even the common folk voices were clearly british. As for Claudia Black, she is Australian and her accents and voice is one of the many many things I love about her, I do find it interesting that as for Claudia's characters, Morrigan likes jewelery and Vala-Mal Doran have a jewelery box where she keeps all the gifts her father used to brought for her in stargate SG-1, hehehe, there are some things that just doesn't change. I also like Corine Kempa's accent mostly when she mentions "Orlais and Val Royeaux" as for the orlesians, I like when they talk and at the end of their sentences they finished with "yes? no?" because in french I think they usually end their sentences with "oui? ca va? non?" I like that. --Anthonior
yeah of course it is france XD first lets talks about how Ferelden hates Orlaisi. Its the whole england vs french thing. and then the food, alistair talks about the food which is very bland. There are so many similarities.
I am not shure i would call the Thedas map for europe up side down. The Anderfelds= Gemarny and is to north on the Thedas map, Germany is already a rather northern country, and in general you dont get europe by turning it up side down. I know Tevinter is offically based on the Byznatine Empire, but to me it rather seems like the roman empire, though the history of the two places is somewhat different. But most important what country is the Free Marches similar to? --PeterR (talk) 13:13, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
@Peter. We'll have to wait for DA2 to find out what the Free Marches are bsed on culturally and the like. But Politically, they seem to be like Greece, Italy or even the Holy Roman Empire as a collection of loosely affiliated City-States. At the height of it's power Tevinter was more Roman, but since it has fallen it fits more with the Byzantine Empire --D.Solstice
Greece was once a couple of indempendant citistates, but Roman Holy Empire(i guess you mean the the roman empire from the time of emperor Constantin) had a central leader, the Emperor. Italy was split in to fraxions like most of Europe after the fall of the West Roman Empire. The Byzantine the eastern part of the roman empire that lived on, but i dont think they where based on actual city states either, rather provinses. The Free Marchs is any way to small to be compared to an empire. It seems to be some kind of loose union. --PeterR (talk) 16:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
No I meant the Holy Roman Empire as that is what Germany and virtually all of Central Europe was known as for a millenia. Also I never said the Byzantine Empire was city state based, I was just saying that Like Tevinter it is a remenent of of a once great empire. --D.Solstice
HA I found it!Found undeniable proof, maybe, it is wiki and anyone can edit:
1)Orlais is loosely based on the real-world nation of France. Orlesian characters speak with French accents, and their knights are referred to as "chevaliers". More closely, however, Orlais is likely more evocative of Norman England, given its occupation of Ferelden, a country inspired by Saxon England, just as the historical Normans conquered the Saxons during 1066. Orlais was once called Arles.
2)The name was changed because Arles is a real town in France
Antiva is not based off Italy, it's based off Spain. Zevran has a very, very clear Spanish accent. It doesn't sound the slightest bit Italian. And if that's not enough, if he's in a romance with the Warden he calls him/her "Mi amor," which is Spanish for (you guessed it) "My love." If he was Italian, it would be "Mio amore."
I know these comparisons, not sure of the rest: Fereldan is England (one hundred years war, french occupation, etc), Orlais is France (same reasons plus obvious accents and words), The Free Marches are Italy (city state structure), Tevinter is Byzantium (fued with Ottomans and different chantry like orthodox christianity as opposed to catholic), the Qunari are the Ottoman Empire (feud with Byzantium, called "militairistic islamic borg" by Bioware Employee, strict religion, mmilitaristic lifestyle), The Anderfells are the Holy Roman Empire (basically Germany) (weak government, landscape, accents, governed by an order moreso than king), and the Grey Wardens are the Tuetonic Knights (govern holy roman empire, vows, elite). All of these also involve names, and I am not sure what Nevarra and Antiva are based off.
No one has mentioned the country Rivain which is based on Spain, and the Qun does seem to be based on Islam, the Qun is similar to Qur'an and Rivain is based on an Islamic Spain who the follow the Qun which suggests the Qunari are Islamic. Also Highever is largely based on Scotland and loosely Ireland with the Scottish and Gaelic names etc.. and Gwaren is based on Wales, however I believe that Redcliffe is more based on Ireland for example Arl Eamon Guerrin and Murdock are Irish/Gaelic names and Tomas is the Irish spelling of Thomas. Desmond Cousland (talk) 22:46, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Dont get carried away Thedas is influenced by real world nations but there not interchangible the Idea that the Qunari Fight against the Tevinter imperium(Byzantine influence) with advanced cannons is why they can seem to be influenced by the Ottoman empire I dont know why people started talking about Islamists the Qunari follow a philosophy similiar (the way I saw it) to Plato's ideal of a perfect state (not exactley the same like with the nations but similiar) where people have a place in society where they stay because a man who has 1 duty can carry it out more effectivley than someone who has many. THE main qustion though is Orlais france NO. Is it influenced by france yes hence the french accents and the use of the word'Cheveliar over Knight. Though i also notice that some Orlesians tend to look somewhat Asiatic perhaps thats why there referred to as Orelsians.--Gdubs (talk) 23:45, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
orlais is franc-ish in a way, through the accents, the fashion and the chevaliers. whilst in other ways thoroughly unalike. there are no references to orlesian culture which are true purely of france. the point is, its a nation with qualities of many nations and a french accent. the same is true of dwarves, a buddhist like caste system, combined with a semi modern, semi medievil english method of appointing leaders. also the dwarves dont worship a single ancestor such as buddha in their faith. all dragon age races are fully fictional --Googlemooglemaximus (talk) 00:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
The Ottoman empire's main religion is Sunni Islam, so those who compare it to that should believe that the Qun is a similar religion to Islam. The Dwarfs are also influenced by Scandinavia. Desmond Cousland (talk) 10:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
@Desmond Cousland Though the Qunari share similarities to the Ottomans that doesnt mean the religions are similiar (Similiar to antiva being based off Italy but the people have Spanish Accents). The Qun is a philosiphy not a religion, the Chantry is much more similiar to Islam than the Qun is and even the chantry is barely similiar to Islam. They also say the Qunari have Mayan like architecture that doesnt meen that they share anything else in common. As I said the Nations and people in Thedas take inspiration from the real world, Inspiration they aren't interchangible you shouldn't read to much into it and start drawing parallels the writers didnt intend.--Gdubs (talk) 16:23, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Although I agree partially there is still many similarities to discuss, the chantry is clearly based the Roman catholic church and the templars are the Knights Templar and the "Exalted Marches" that the templars conduct are the equivalent of the real templar's crusades. I said the Qun is similar to Islam one similarity being that Muslims believe that only their belief is true and will try to change the views of others to their way of thinking/believing just like the Qunari. The Qunari are also similar to Buddhist's with the tea and incense and that there religion is not a "religion" but a philosophy. Desmond Cousland (talk) 18:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
"The Qunari have been nicknamed “militant Islamic Borg” by Lead Writer David Gaider." They are inspired partially by Muslims as quoted by the lead writer. Also you mentioned that inspiration is not interchangeable? You contradict yourself in your own argument twice, showing that for certain nations of Thedas may have more than one real world nation to draw inspiration from and can vary very vastly. Desmond Cousland (talk) 19:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
"I said the Qun is similar to Islam one similarity being that Muslims believe that only their belief is true and will try to change the views of others to their way of thinking/believing just like the Qunari."
Muslims believe only their religion is true? Give me a break, name me one religion that doesn't present itself as superior and the only path to heaven. And before you make a reference to forced conversion please read actual history, especially if youre making a seriously misguided statement. If anything, Christianity was responsible for the majority of forced conversion and religious wars thoughout human history. Blaze86420 (talk) 21:59, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes Christianity was the worst for it, I agree, I already mentioned the crusades by the knights templar... the equivalent to the exalted marches. The Christian crusades were often against Muslims and the most exalted marches were against the Qunari. It is clear that I have read actual history AND for that matter some of the Qur'an. What I said was not misguided it was only misinterpreted by you. Desmond Cousland (talk) 14:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
@Desmond Cousland I apoligize if I were not clear, I did not say the inspirations aren't interchangible I said the real world and the countries in Thedas they reflect are not interchangible as they have only taken a little bit of inspiration from our world.--Gdubs (talk) 15:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
It seems that it is more than just a little bit however, obviously it its not fully inspired but a lot of aspects can be traced to real world events. Desmond Cousland (talk) 19:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing to clear up really. I said that Muslim's try to change the views of infidels. Christians do the same with non believers, as you said and I agreed. Just because the Christians are worse for it, it does not mean that Muslims don't do it. For example the Muslim Brotherhood in Arabic countries are a group that constantly try to instil the Qur'an on Muslim people and the inhabitant's of the Arab countries, they despise anything westernised and non Islamic. They have said the will do this non violently, other groups such as the Taliban will use any means including violence to achieve similar goal. Now since I have said this I am not saying that Christians don't have religious terrorists, both the IRA and the UVF used violence to instil Catholicism or Protestantism on each other. You perhaps misinterpreted that I meant only Muslims do it but I never once did such thing. My view was never misguided. Desmond Cousland (talk) 00:22, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
It is not shared by all religions (that is a misguided statement). Christians may be the worst for it but the Muslims and the Jews come in at second worst. Since the role of Christianity is taken up by the Chantry it appears that the Qun is similar to Islam, in more than one way may I add, but this is one. David Gaider quoted them as the "Militant Islamic Borg" does this not suggest anything to you? Another reason that the Qun is like Islam is that their religion/philosophy is like a political/governing system. Desmond Cousland (talk) 02:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
"Another reason that the Qun is like Islam is that their religion/philosophy is like a political/governing system." And again you fail to realize that the same could be said for any religion. Any religion could be used a governing/political system, theocracies and state religion isn't unique to Islam. And to be honest, I don't care what the intended inspiration was, when I played the game Islam was the last thing that came to mind when Sten began explaining what the Qun was all about. If the devs we're attempting to mimic or at least borrow some of Islam's principles, then they haven't done a very good job. Blaze86420 (talk) 04:02, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
- There have been a few theocracys of other religions than islam yes, but very few in comparison. And there is a big difference between a theocracy where religious law is supreme, and a nation where the crown is supreme and only keeps the religion as long as it is useful...like england which is what ferelden is based off of. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
I could retort, however my main point has already been stated. If you don't believe that the Qun has some similarities to Islam then that's your choice, all religions could be used as a governing system but only few are. I also believe there is some inspiration from Buddhism what with their philosophy and their culture from what Sten says is possibly Asian in nature, the Qunari are also fanatical about the teachings of the Qun just as are the Muslims in the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. Similarities between the Qunari and Buddhists is that neither believe in a true deity. Desmond Cousland (talk) 14:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)