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So I created a new character and I decided that she would be the utter prick of the universe because.....why not?

My approval rating with Alistar is at -100 and he has yelled at me several times. After I let Redcliff get destroyed he damn near burst a blood vessel in his head but he seems to stick around. I wonder if its possible to get him to leave the group. I know several NPCS like Sten and Orgren will challenge you if they get mad enough....is it possible to push Alistar that far?

Dupmeister (talk) 13:37, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

No, Alistair will never leave you during that time because he must always be present at the Landsmeet and even if you can loose him there he will only be replaced by Loghain, whom you can't loose either. Caspoi (talk) 14:57, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thats a shame. it would have been interesting to see what the Landsmeet was like without him.

Dupmeister (talk) 15:08, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Why be an ass?? seriosuly... just because you can??? that sounds kinda childish. -- 15:11, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

People will sometimes play as jerks or "evil" characters in a game for the same reason that a man might play as a woman or vice versa - because they want to play as someone other than themselves. In fact virtually every game provides an opportunity for the player to vicariously experience life as someone else. Games where you can play as another gender, or as an alien or fantasy creature, or as someone who does things that you would/could never do in real life without dire consequences (mean/evil) are simply taking this concept a step further.

To treat a game world as a real world is actually quite childish. Doing things "because I can" is exactly what a game is for. The characters in the game are not real people whose feelings or lives you need to worry about. Feeling bad about being "mean" in a game means you have developed an irrational emotional attachment to something that is just code. That is childish. It's somewhat understandable with games that have very realistic characters like Dragon Age, but people who can separate themselves from the game world and treat it as a playground are treating as it really is - a playground. Where you can be mean without consequence. Where knocking over blocks is not the same thing as knocking over a building. Where making a sand castle and then stomping on it like a giant is not the same thing a destroying a city. Getting emotionally attached to a game is childish. Treating a game as a game is not. Claiming that people who treat a game as a game are being childish is both childish and ignorant. Silver Warden (talk) 20:39, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

well mainly because I wanted to see how the NPCs reacted and how the game might differ if I made different choices then normal. If being being mean to the fictional characters in the video game on my computer somehow offended you then I apologize. Dupmeister (talk) 15:28, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

No offense, just wanted to understand why? never understood why people do that... but your response was cool, I get why. Also, I've stumbled with many players that wanna be mean 'cus they cannot be mean IRL so yeah your response was a great reply.

Sorry for any offense... thought you were the childish kind of gamer -- 16:29, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

No worries.

Part of what I love about games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect and the like is that you can play the game over and over and each time you can get new scenarios and new dialog based on your choices. Although I have always found Alistair to be an annoying character, I always kept him on my good side. so this run though I wanted to see what happned if you didnt get along with him.

Letting RedCliff get trashed was actually a happy accident. I stopped in town simply to get Sten's sword and didn't want to do the RedCliff quest yet. so when I backed out of town I was a little surprised that it actually gets totaled. up until that moment I didn't realise you could do that. Since then I have been seeing what other troubles my mage could get into ;)

Dupmeister (talk) 17:05, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

I liked the idea of turning Alistair into a drunk in DA2 but could never get myself of being such an ass, that's the problem when you're a nice guy... you never feel ok with being an ass.

The only mean thing I did, only because I feel that's what Ferelden needed, is harden Alistair... he becomes a good king from what I read in the epilogue of DA:O -- 19:09, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

So let me get this straight Dave, every one of your playthroughs have basically the same outcome because you can't get yourself to pick different options? Like, in every playthrough you do in Origins Alistair becomes King? You have no curiosity in playing the game in a different way? Just for the sake of appreciating the work Bioware put in the game in the first place? Wow. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.105.155.60 (talk)

I did one playthrough of the sacrifice with a mage, one of a cousland and another of a Dwarf... made different choices (Like supporting Harrowmond ) but the being an ass options never, I just cannot be an ass in a game 'cus we are heroes and we should live as examples of what the world needs.

Yeah I did explore them either via youtube or actually took them but ended up returning to my original option in a save game.

Finally I love BW, I played their games since they were created as a company. Everything they make is sooooo good but like I said we are heroes not dicks, never understood why someone wants to a dick IRL or in a game.-- 16:28, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

So you play RPGs without understanding the concept of role play? I'd ask why but I think the better question here is how. BTW, watching something on youtube is really not the same as earning that experience yourself, but whatever. Silver Warden (talk) 19:30, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

I had 1 character where I picked the most evil dickhead options I could. Made him a human noble warrior (seemed like the most appropriate). Ugly, mean looking bastard. Ferelden was practically a wasteland by the time I was done with him. I let redcliffe burn. I punched Isolde in the face and killed Connor. Made deals with demons. Let the high dragon/cultists live, Slaughtered the elves and the mages. Supported Bhelen and killed Caridin and Shale. Tainted the ashes and killed Wynne and Leliana. Killed Zevran when he turned on me in Denerim. Would've killed Sten in Haven if he hadn't run away with his tail between his legs. Killed the captive city elves, Had Alistair executed and Loghain died killing the archdemon. Made myself king with Anora as my queen. Can't remember exactly how things went in Amaranthine but I remember most of my companions there were dead or missing by the end too. Killed Morrigan in Drake's Fall. Man, I hated that character. Total scumbag. Vampire Damian (talk) 01:44, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

I tried to do the bad boy character once before. had a city elf rouge who hated humans. wanted him to make all the wrong choices but then he fell for Liliana and the love of a good woman turned him around, reformed his opinion of humans and had him making choices that wouldn't disappoint her.

Dupmeister (talk) 13:16, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

In no world ever is every main character going to be a super-nice person who helps little old ladies across the street or feed the orphans. There will always be a place for the pricks, bitches, crazies, and the apathetic. They change and enrich the worlds in RPGs. To always be a "good guy" gets a bit boring. It doesn't make you an evil person, it just makes you a normal. I've done the same thing Vampire Damian has done, and enjoyed it. Then I went good girl the next time through. That was fun also. Don't be afraid to try something new and stab that crawling wounded soldier in the face today! BlueChaosFaerie (talk) 09:01, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Killing that soldier if one of the few things I've only done once or twice. Most of the other evil or selfish actions in the game at least have some practical benefit. Killing that guy is just pure sadism. The Warden would have to be a psychopath to do that, and those kind of actions only work for pure chaotic evil characters. It's fun to make one play-through like that, but all of the other extremely selfish or purely pragmatic characters would at least claim that they don't have time to help him. Silver Warden (talk) 19:06, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

I lost track of how many times I used that shiv with that evil character of mine. I remember that soldier, the prisoner in Ostagar, the merchant in Lothering, the rambling crazy guy in Redcliffe, Connor, Genitivi (though I think that was an actual knife rather than that shiv that usually got used) and Morrigan for sure. And that character dated Morrigan and had a kid with her (normal, not old god). She seemed to truly believe he loved her right until he stabbed her. She seemed to have this look of sadness and confusion in her eyes as her body fell back into the eluvian. And this evil prick in that canon is now King of Ferelden, among other titles. I think he was also made Teyrn of Gwaren and obviously Arl of Amaranthine and Warden-Commander of Ferelden. He was far worse than Loghain, Howe, Vaughan and Bhelen put together. Vampire Damian (talk) 00:00, February 13, 2015 (UTC)