Forum:Of Noble Birth (Did Duncan fail his duty)

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Coming from this topic the line you need to know is this I must admit I can sympathize somewhat with 91.192.191.221. It seems to me Duncan is just a wee bit presumptuous:

In one play-through, I was forced into the Grey Wardens against my will; and then, "Drink this blood or I'll kill you. Oh, and I forgot to mention, this blood is a slow working, incurable poison." In the Noble human beginning, Duncan failed to save my father from Howe; he promises to save my Mother in return for my becoming a Warden, and he does not. Indeed, he doesn't even try to persuade her to come with us. He certainly doesn't save me as I am able to use the secret passage in my own home without any aid from Duncan. About the last thing we hear Duncan say is, "Don't worry Your Majesty, the plan will work." A fine example of "famous last words". On the other hand, though Alistair isn't the brightest lad in the world, I can't see any justification for his execution. Nor can I see justification for allowing friends at the Keep to die. Maybe Morrigan will bring me a cure for Duncan's poison in the upcoming "Witch Hunt" episode. -- WarPaint (talk) 22:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok Duncan deal to rescue your mother and you was. You had to become a Grey warden. He failed to bring your mother and the door was right there. So having fail to fulfill his obligation why would the Noble still bother. He could of told Duncan to stick and leave. Even if the right of Annulment is done if the part not will, like where most are looking at death or imprisonment. The Noble had nothing to gain from this agreement. I mean the exit was there. He had already done all the work fight to get there. Then Duncan shows up at the end having done nothing to have the right to ask anything of this family.

My main thing is if you where the noble what would of kept you from tell Duncan to stick it?--IceStar100 (talk) 08:21, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

The first thing I'll tell the king at first meeting - "Ok, I have come here to defend Ferelden and I'll join the troops of my brother (he's not here? ok, I can fight in this battles with any others). But Dunkan can recruit someone else, not me". 91.192.191.221 (talk) 08:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Currently playing the Human Noble, so a few thoughts on this: 1] if I cannot persuade my own mother, a Duncan would fare no better. 2] on the role-playing side - given all the heavy fighting (that Howe knight almost killed me), I was exhausted and injured, and even though I would have been able to make it out of the castle on my own, I'd have had hard time escaping pursuers later. It is not mentioned in the game but once Howe found out that I was not among the casualties, he definitely sent men to get rid of the sole surviving witness. - So, I take it that this is how Duncan saved me. On behalf of Ned Cousland, Ygrain (talk) 09:52, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

You say noting stands between you and your freedom but your wrong Duncan does, and as he clearly proved with Ser Jory he is willing and capable of killing anyone that don't surrender to his will. The Right of conscription is recognised everywhere even if you had escaped from him you would have been an outlaw and you had no family or house to smooth things over.

In other words, unless you could kill Duncan right there the only other choice would have been dead. Killing Duncan right there would have been difficult even if did have the time which you didn't as Howe's men were closing in, as he had way more experience then you being a seasoned veteran.

This will of course make you less then inclined to help Alistair in his quest for vengeance, as Loghain's only crime was letting the man who had doomed you die an agonising death and betraying an inept king that properly would have doomed the country.

Their were so many things wrong with Cailan and Duncan's plan to begin with, for one thing they didn't take advantage of the terrain, fighting the horde on the field when Ostegar still had some very nice walls to defend them.

If I had been in charge of the battle I would have stationed just a small section of men down on the field, enogh to draw the darkspawns attention, I would have booby-traped the entire area with pointy stiks and pitfalls and once I had lured the horde into position I would have led the mages cast a nice big Storm of the Century on them, we know how powerful that can be from a single mage, fusing the energy together from a dozen mages would making it incredibly powerful.

this process would be repeated several times and just as the back of the horde have passed, I would flack them with Loghains troops and suprice them with the rest of the force that had been hidden away in reserve, including all the dogs. The Longbowmen I would of course have placed on the walls where they couldn't be reached with mêlée. Their primary targets would of course be the Orgies and the Emissaries which would be the only troops capable of hurting my ranged troops.

Done right this tactic would decimate the horde before we even engaged them in mêlée -rphb- (talk) 10:37, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

This entire topic makes no sense whatsoever. 'Of Noble Birth' is a side-quest that becomes available if a Male Dwarven Noble slept with Mardy; it's got nothing to do with the Human Noble Origin. Not only that, but you're jumping all over the place (Alistair's execution at the end of the game, Awakening and having to choose between Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep, etc.). I'd make some comment about your train of thought, but there is none; you're jumping from topic to topic at random, and have no common idea to connect them. What does Duncan have to do with Alistair's Execution? Or with Awakening? Nothing, as far as I can tell, but you throw them in there anyway. It's confusing as hell. Swk3000 (talk) 10:39, August 31, 2010 (UTC)