LOVE! I can not express enough how much I LOVE the world of Dragon Age and it's complexites. I'm a creature who likes to observe and analyse, and discuss good and bad things about the games so forth, so on. I Hate Elders Scroll games. I'll go rant on Skyrim's Wiki about that if this goes further, but when I read these: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/12/dragon-age-3/ http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/20/bioware-checking-out-skyrim-for-dragon-age-iii.aspx http://www.pcworld.com/article/246778/dragon_age_iii_may_draw_inspiration_from_skyrim.html I want to go nuts! Hopefully they are just borrowing the large space for more to happen, I just...just...*silent scream*Sir Fritz (talk) 20:48, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
[1]: A synopsis of what pop music is, where most video games are, and where Dragon Age Appears to be going. It makes me sad. ----Isolationistmagi 20:58, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
The example of Skyrim showed us, that it doesn't take a good game, or even a working game, to generate 7 millions of sales. Problem is, that EA is after those sales. We can only hope they realise, that the uniqueness of Dragon Age will help them get desired results, not making another Oblivion clone, coming from Bethesda for the last 6 years.-Algol- (talk) 21:00, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
- ... Just how is Skyrim not a good game? lol uz so funny gui OneDeadTemplar (talk) 21:15, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
This is how the game industry works. This was how Rome came to hold 70% of Europe. This is how Alexander conquered all of Persia and Egypt. This is how Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla revolutionized the energy industry. You take the best things from your competition and incorporate it into your own invention. In Rome's case, much of their strength came from their toleration of other cultures and their ability to adapt enemy weapons to their own needs. For Alexander, it was only his ability to blend cultures with his subjugates that allowed him to dominate that strip of land. If Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla hadn't gone at it, we wouldn't know alternatives to some kinds of electricity. Perhaps the sentiment of the OP was shared by the Latins and Greeks. As a matter of fact, the reverence of Alexander in Egypt was a big scandal in Greece. A lot of heartland Romans considered anybody not from the Italian peninsula to be a barbarian. Йура
21:10, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
Skyrim is a far superior rpg in comparison to DA II.
Also, these news can mean literally anything. The ability to craft weapons and armor, wider locations to explore, a larger world with more npcs to interact with? Who knows. It may even just mean that we will actually get to customize our main character again. Not liking the game doesn't mean you have to be stubbornly ignorant to every element and feature in the game. Lemonaidz (talk) 22:00, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
- "Skyrim is a far superior rpg in comparison to DA II" - no. Skyrim is a very shitty FPS at worst, a single-player MMO at best. I've said before and I say it again: I am effing done cosplaying a SAM turret and knocking the 9001st dragon out of the sky. DAII has many isssues, but at least it actually is an RPG. You know, with roleplaying.-Algol- (talk) 23:23, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed. The only good thing about is Skyrim is... Well i can't think of anything.TheProphet (talk) 23:30, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Funny. I would have said that DA II is nothing but a glorified JRPG - silly me, I thought customizing your character and being able to choose who you want to be (hence role playing game?) instead of having a certain character pushed onto you were all quintessential for a rpg. DA II still has traces of old western RPG mechanics and rules - but I fail to see how the game contains any amount of actual roleplaying. Lemonaidz (talk) 12:41, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with playing other people's games and trying to learn from them. There is a lot of good stuff in Skyrim, not all of it belongs in DA but BioWare is smart enough to know that. In fact, you want to see what happens when developers don't play other people's games? Go play Duke Nukem Forever or Gran Turismo 5. Wsowen02 (talk) 23:40, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
Ouch! I know I can't change any of your opinions but come on, is DA getting to the point where we have to insult other games on the DA wiki to make ourselves feel better? I mean yes Skyrim may not be fantastic to everyone but success doesn't lie and Bioware has obviously and sadly been looking towards the more action open-world approach with DA as seen in DA2 and some of BW comments. Beside while I love DA:O to death and think DA2 is a decent game I think SKyrim is actually more RPGish than DA2 if anything considering you play as the role of WHO EVER THE FREAK YOU WANT AND CAN EDIT YOUR CHARACTER HOWEVER THE FREAK YOU WANT AND HOW YOU CHOICES ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW CHANGE SOMETHING THUS THE ROLE-PLAYING ASPECT!!! (end of my childish old rant, lol). Anyway Algol I understand you do not like TES but still how about you praise DA and please stop insulting Skyrim, just because you hate it doesn't mean it is bad, I personally like DA better (well DA:O at least) than Skyrim but that means nothing. MrRexfire (talk) 23:50, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
- I do like TES. I played TES since Daggerfall. But for me TES series ended on Morrowind. And I'm not insulting, merely stating the obvious, especially about the bugs and their "brilliant patching". It's Bethesda, who insults people with this bs they've made -Algol- (talk) 00:05, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I understand many people prefer Morrowind and the older ones as opposed to Oblivion and Skyrim, but DA and Skyrim are completely different games and when compared and contrasted Skyrims love and success cannot be denied. As for the bugs yes there are many, but most are small and even funny only about 3 major gamebreaking ones have been reported, I have not run into TOO many but they are there although I hear the PS3 version has it worse, but at Least Bethesda is with almost daily patches fixing them, Do you remember all the bugs DA2 had when it came out? And it didn't have half as many variables as Skyrim does. But still what do you expect from a game that tracks time, randomly generates whole new quests, changes hundreds of variables, contains dozens of NPCS with their own patterns, many items, dialog, great graphics, a gigantic world, dozens of unique (well more unique than oblivion) dungeons, moves the world on as you ware somewhere else, etc. Something this big and variable is of course going to have many bugs and kinks to work out and most everything else works fine, as I said many bugs are not THAT bad unless you are just really disturbed by glitches, and at least they are trying to fix it. MrRexfire (talk) 00:33, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Unique dungeons? Trying to fix glitches? Really??? They better stop trying. Each time they do it, it becomes even worse. [2] -Algol- (talk) 00:52, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Wow, none of that shit happened to me. I'm glad I bought it for a console.
Hey hey hey, I said MORE than unique than OBLIVION'S not anything else, lol (besides that was WAY BEYOND THE POINT of that sentence)! It's a significant step up TRUST ME, and it is at least twice as good as DA2's repeating dungeons. Look like I said most glitches (dragon's flying backwards, people tripping over nothing, glitched graphics) are small and or funny at most and the worst have mostly been fixed. I have the game and ONLY the second patch made some things worse which were pretty much all fixed with the third, come on I can see glitches get you on a roll but many are easy to put a side, for the most part the worse glitch requires you to restart your system, the game autosaves 24-7 so it's never really as big a problem as you'd think, and as I said with in a whole darn list above, of course it will have many problems to fix it is a huge and random game and they will get most glitches fixed eventually IT ISN'T THAT BAD, can you come up with any other argument? The primary thing that is relevant with the glitches is maybe the PS3 from what I hear it has a glitch that constantly freezes the game WHICH IS BAD but you can't (or shouldn't) judge a game based on those circumstances. How long did you play Skyrim again? Did you have the PS3 version, if so then it's is understandable, otherwise please give it a break! Unless your calling millions of people wrong, misguided, or stupid for loving Skyrim (me included) it isn't that bad of a game maybe not the greatest but it is at the very least decent. That being said I hate that Idea that Bioware is looking at Skyrim for DA3 I like Skyrim as it is an open-world action RPG with minimal emphasis on characters and story, and DA for being a liner tactical RPG with more emphasis on characters and story, so I would hate for DA to try to become a clone of TES. MrRexfire (talk) 03:16, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- There is absolutely no reason at all why millions of people can't be stupid at the same time. As for Skyrim and DAIII, I really don't want them to blend, as it hurts the uniqueness of both games. That's my two euros anyway. ----Isolationistmagi 03:35, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
Wow...You really broke my expectations with that last one, yes millions can be wrong and or stupid, I did NOT SAY THEY CAN'T BE, but that is just rude and incredibly arrogant, self centered, and once again missing the point of the whole sentence to say such a thing. As I said I do not want them to blend either, but man I just wanted you to understand that yes it has many glitches but they are not THAT BAD ask anyone who has played it regularly, it is a beloved game with all around great ratings, millions of fans (who are not all stupid contrary to you apparent beliefs), and THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT RPG's, not all opinions are fact I'm sure you think that everything you've said is all 100% factual but, sadly it is not. You must have not played the millions of licensed and failed crap video games that come out every year, Superman 64, Shaq Fu, Phantasy Star Universe, Spider man the Edge of time, Castlevania 64, Duke Nukeum Forever, THOSE are inexcusably bad games they are bland and nearly painful to play, SKyrim is not THAT bad. Besides You are only addressing the glitches which I HAVE said what times now that they are mostly small and funny or easily curable, your forgetting the contorls, the graphics and everything else! The story and characters may not be good or engaging but that is just how TES is, don't tell me you were expecting anything different? Besides it is a freaking the point is to have fun which many are doing, many of my friends, neighboors, and family are enjoying this game and you just insulted us all whether you meant to or not, I'm not sure what you hoped to gain this obvious hate rant but just leave it alone. MrRexfire (talk) 04:25, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
MDR mille fois! Read the signature friend! I haven't even given an opinion on Skyrim, as I haven't even played the game a grand total of four hours! And I assure you, I am not arrogant enough to deliberately make such a statement about a game I have barely played and intend it to be an insult. I think you read too much into my post, or I accidentally said more than I meant to. That was meant as a simple statement of fact, I wasn't trying to attack you or anyone else. It's just a fact of life that millions of people can be wrong and stupid about the same thing at the same time. I mean, look at the Holocaust and more specifically, the majority of Germans. They thought that Hitler and the Nazi party had their best interests at heart, but we all know how that ended. Or there were those who suffered American propaganda about the Vietnam war. And then there's the paparazzi... that's a different kind of stupid. The "get a life" kind. And for how many years AFTER it was already proven that the world was round did our ancestors think it was flat? And then there are those people that get tricked into buying two of the same thing because they think they're getting a value when the truth is it is all a sham. I never meant to say that millions of people are wrong about Skyrim, although it appears that it was taken that way. It was just my two cents. Sorry to have offended you. ----Isolationistmagi 04:45, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh heavens, I was about to go to sleep but I felt like I missed something! I'm so sorry I thought you were Algol! Oh god now I feel so stupid. You have not offended me at all, I was getting very heated and defensive as you can see, I understand what you were talking about now and I thank you for not getting mad, I'm going to crawl back into my sad little hole now....MrRexfire (talk) 04:52, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- It's okay, no harm done. ----Isolationistmagi 05:04, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Newsflash, MrRexfire: when someone says "Game X is stupid", it does not automatically mean "And so are all people who enjoy it, nyah nyah nyah!". It is you interpreting. So, well, next time try to take it just as "Game X is stupid", nothing more - you'll find way less things to be offended at and it is definitely a good thing. That, or make Bethesda pay you for defending their product so earnestly. Dorquemada (talk) 08:21, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry look what I gone done now...See when I was talking..well typing to Algol I said unless he was calling the people wrong or stupid to buy and love the game then that was messed up, then when I thought he said "who said millions of people can't be stupid at once" I thought he was answering my question as in "who said those millions of people who brought the game aren't stupid?" but I was talking to the wrong person and interpreted it badly, I'm very sorry I usually don't offend easily at all, especially when it comes to video games. I just felt a small personal attack if that was how he was going to answer my question but it wasn't him, and Isolationistmagi obviously meant something very different. I won't cause that problem again. MrRexfire (talk) 12:11, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
I've played Skyrim on and off. It may just be me but after awhile the game becomes kinda stale. The bugs are not as bad as a lot of people claim. What killed me on it though was the character and story. None of the characters was appealing. I mean the companions was just about worthless after they introduce themselves to you the first time then they might as well become another nameless NPC from there on out. So it boils down to dungeon crawling again and again.DarkDabber (talk) 04:34, January 12, 2012 (UTC)DarkDabber
IMHO the Skyrim world is large and beautiful, but it feels so empty without any notable characters to care for. Couldn't make myself play it. Not my cup of tea. I hope whatever Bioware are up to with DA3, they will retain things they are strongest at - plot and characters. And good interface for PC players - Skyrim is awful at that. If they'll change anything else - I don't mind. Asherinka (talk) 05:38, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
I loved DA:O and I am currently loving Skyrim. I don't think on this wiki we should either be worshipping Skyrim or slaughering it. But, I do think it's valid to ask why 7 million people bought the most high profile fantasy RPG of 2011, which is being universally lauded as game of the year (bugs aside), and why that was Skyrim and not a Bioware game called Dragon Age. I'd love to see Bioware have the courage to take on board at least these elements of Skyrim:
- incredibly detailed character and race customisation
- organic skill developments (I do NOT want to press a button and have something awesome happen every time)
- much more flexibility with armor and weaponry crafting, enchantment and customisation
- much less linear plot
- much more open world
- totally unique environments
Skyrim and Bethesda at least had the courage to invest in those things. No, it was not a perfect game. But will I be playing it in 3 years time (as I am with DA:O)? Yes. Is it reasonable to hope the same of DA3? Yes. --NickyStuu (talk) 09:52, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Why are you even trying? The amount of ignorance in here is beyond any rational thought. Nobody adressed any of my points, nobody will adress any of your points. Lemonaidz (talk) 12:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
I haven't played Skyrim but I find it slightly hard to believe it's got more/worse glitches than DA. I love DA but there's just so many glitches. I can barely even play DAA unless I do everything in a specific order. So many bugged effects, equipment and quests...it's amazing how good DA still is in spite of all of it. I have no problem with Skyrim, my brain is still trying to understand why so many people are so obsessed with CoD. Nothing against CoD fans, it's just that those games bore the crap out of me. But more on topic, I would also like more detail in character creation. At least give us some preset alternate body types. I'd even be satisfied with choosing our race again. Appropriately unique environments and characters, avoid changing stuff just for the sake of changing stuff. So many things in DA2 that just don't look right. Particularly the darkspawn, the elves and Flemeth. Bigger areas might be nice just so long as we don't end up running around a large empty pointless area. I think if multiplayer is put in we should just keep it local, no online. You put online multiplayer in a game and things tend to go badly for most other parts of the game, IMO. We don't need DA turning into WoW. Not to mention if they only had local multiplayer, then they could have a very neglected market covered. Game makers seem to often forget now that there even is such a thing as offline multiplayer or that gamers might have friends/family/significant others in the same house that might want to play games with them. I can't even think of any offline multiplayer RPGs. --Vampire Damian (talk) 14:47, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
(This following rant may contain Strong Language and other things minors and numpties may not want to read first thing in the forum)
Oh, great here we go again... Really does anyone who has some sort of basic intelligence would know how this messed up world works! Stop trying to compare two games which only similarity is that they are RPGs! But they are done differently! Dragon Age is a TACTICAL while the Elder Scrolls is OPEN WORLD! Whatever! That's why Dragon Age uses companions, for tactics! You don't do that in the Elder Scrolls series! That's more focused on letting you go anywhere! Now here, boys and girls is where the fun part is! If EA notices that in The Elder Scrolls series, this open world concept is maybe why it's popular than maybe they think maybe taking that idea and making it in our own way! Maybe our games could be as just as good and make just amount of money!!
So, for all you haters, who can't put two and two together and figure out, that they should be cursing at EA for trying to get people who don't like Dragon Age but love the Elder Scrolls games, to come and play it so they can get more money. It's EA, who's fucking up your "perfect" game, just like they are with the Sims series! Really... the next expansion pack is basically Sims 3: Late Night.2... why do you think there are people from 18th Feb to 25th March are boycotting the game because they are fed up with EA's money grabbing! Stop hating something that has nothing to do with EA, with Bioware, and most importantly with DRAGON AGE!!
Oh, before someone complains about this, I like Dragon Age as much as I like Skyrim and when I finished Skyrim I'll be as just amount bored when I play it like I do with Dragon Age! Origins & the second one, that doesn't have a cool name... and then I'll move to Soul Calibur 5 and Mass Effect 3!
So, here's a deal! No more complaining about Skyrim on a wiki for Dragon Age and keep your opinions on that game at home or where ever you put them... or may Fenris and his clone army come and get up in your sleep!!
That's all! --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 14:53, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Daggerfall is, to my memory, still the far buggyist game of them all!
- Preach it my friend! I couldn't agree with you more, they are two very different games almost NOTHING is similar I'm tired of comparing the two, in the end neither game (series) is bad it just depends on what style, gameplay, etc you like better, I personally like both games, but it doesn't really matter they should not be compared as they have nothing to do with each other. MrRexfire (talk) 17:04, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
If that's a response to my comment, then I apologize. I didn't mean to offend anyone or extend any arguement. --Vampire Damian (talk) 15:19, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Nope, I was writing it before you wrote yours... I din't even read yours... just so fed up with people complaining on a wiki that it's for Skyrim or the Elder Scrolls in general!! So no complaining or he'll come for you --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 15:24, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Lemme just point out it's DA:O that's can be called 'tactical', DA2 combat-wise is more monkeys-on-trampolinical....waitwhat. Fenris' clone army? Now where this come from? Did he find a way to hire interchangeable trash mobs of Kirkwall? Or do you refer to an army of interchangeable Sephiroths and suchlike angsty white-haired ~*bishies*~ of anime cliches (aka birthplace of our Fenris)? 'm confused. :| Dorquemada (talk) 15:53, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Gideon Emery, he voices loads of additional people in Skyrim, most of them I have heard are in the Imperial Legion, that is Fenris's army! In short anyone who is voiced by Gideon Emery in Dragon Age series and the Elder Scrolls series, will come in the night, when one is sleeping and possibly do horrible things! --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 16:13, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Lemme just point out it's DA:O that's can be called 'tactical', DA2 combat-wise is more monkeys-on-trampolinical....waitwhat. Fenris' clone army? Now where this come from? Did he find a way to hire interchangeable trash mobs of Kirkwall? Or do you refer to an army of interchangeable Sephiroths and suchlike angsty white-haired ~*bishies*~ of anime cliches (aka birthplace of our Fenris)? 'm confused. :| Dorquemada (talk) 15:53, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I just got a note from a 'friend' stating that the entire Fenris clone army has been slain in the middle of the night. How very tragic. Hmm...someone seems to have dropped a large pouch of coin here...
--Vampire Damian (talk) 22:56, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Really? Gods be praised!! Still the Meredith clones though, they'll be tough... two of them are princes and princes can't die...--Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 11:49, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Trying to veer back on topic here...
DA would be very stupid NOT to look at Skyrim for ideas. People complained that DA2's main issue was EA (or bioware, depending on who you want to blame) were trying to hard to widen the franchises appeal, Skyrim proved that there's already a big market for RPG's...just good RPG's.
Like the game or not Skyrim is a sales juggernaught and has done far better then DA, my only problem would be if DA turned INTO skyrim.
The way i see it both games are at opposite ends of the "what makes a good RPG" spectre. DA best trait was it's story and infectious characters who you truly come to love and admire. DA obviously also the ability to make decent choices that weren't simply kill A or B.
Obviously Skyrim goes a different track focusing more on freedom, you can go do or be whoever you want. Don't like a quest line? run away and never look back! That and it's just so damn pretty.
Could DA stand to learn something from Skyrim. Absolutely! They'd be really stupid not to. The same came be said of Skyrim though, I'd totally be on board for these two to learn and adapt from one another. Lord knows decent RPG games aren't being made as frequently as the newest battlefield/call of duty/halo/something about a guy with a shotgun killing bad guys (seriously not a knock at any of the above just not my thing)
Alrighty i'm about done thanks for hanging in there guys :)--Tabristhegreat (talk) 17:38, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Completely agree with Tabristhegreat here. To me, the point of this thread is not to determine whether Skyrim or DA is "better" - it's comparing oranges and apples (they're both fruit...). Howver, many of the criticisms of DA2 were levelled at the perception that it was rushed, unambitious and very small-scale. I don't want DA3 to be DA:Skyrim, but I do want Bioware to look at the success of Skyrim and see that an ambitious, open, customisable, non-linear game, with years of development time can also be a massive commercial and critical success. --NickyStuu (talk) 18:40, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
Imagine if there were no deadlines, money wasn't an issue and testers actually played the entire game, not just portions. Sure games would take longer to make but imagine how much better they would be. I think they'd be worth the wait.--Vampire Damian (talk) 22:56, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
The rage and hate in this forum is making me cry. I love Skyrim to death, but I wont defend it because I know how you feel. When there is a game that everyone tells you is amazing, but then you play it, and you dont enjoy it. Then the makers of a very different game that you really do love and care for tell you the next one is going to be like everyone's favorite game that you didnt enjoy. As much as I love skyrim, I want the DA series to remain unique with the characters, plot, and emotions that skyrim did not have. If bioware sacrifices one of those for something I already have in skyrim, I will get bored.Crimpycracker (talk) 10:41, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I think they'll would best see what makes Elder Scrolls series popular and combine that with what make Bioware games popular and then see it is people like it! --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 11:49, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I think that most people don't want them (Skyrim and DA of course) to combine as they are very different games with very different focuses, and those that do want it to combine don't necessarily want DA:Skyrim but just to take certain RPG aspects from it like the open worldness (or at least more open than DA2 and kirkwall...) and a more malleable story. MrRexfire (talk) 12:45, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
I tought nothing could be worse than World of Warcraft but then they made Skyrim. Unfortunatly people seem to love this kind of things... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raoniluna (talk • contribs) 13:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Just paid a visit to the elder scrolls wiki, didn't see nearly as much negativity (or any) as I'm seeing here, I think that is saying something.... I love Dragon Age and Origins is one of my favorite games ever, I love it even more than Skyrim, but this I think community is growing bitter. How about we continue to talk about Bioware and DA (and EA I guess) and stop bashing Skyrim, their wiki and Bethesda aren't saying anything about us or Dragon Age, we can extend the same courtesy MrRexfire (talk) 13:51, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
MrRexfire-Thank you for the awesome wide range point of view and your leads in the discussion.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
-Algol- & Isolationistmagi-Always love to hear your straight-to-the-point discussion.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
OneDeadTemplar & TheProphet- People will like/dislike things similar/different to/from your tastes, that seems to be the way of things, unless you ment "good" as in looking for a critique, then you can ask the Skyrim forums of pluses and minuses.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Lemonaidz- I'm not sure what points you wanted to have addressed, I just saw JRPG referance and the questioning of RP in the Dragon Age 2 game. But I completely agree with the customization. TES NPCs could use a bit more soul IMO, though.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Estherra-"A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting or a recreation of a setting derived from reality."-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game."Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Tabristhegreat & Wsowen02-YES!Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Dorquemada & Xxellenmaysongxx-What?Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Isolationistmagi & YuriKaslov-I love your analogies.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
NickyStuu-I like your observation on improvements, especially organic skill developments. My fear for Dragon Age that I should have mentioned before is that I miss tactics, and Bioware is more of an "arena" developer. Larger "open world" arena would be awesome. And playing DA:O with player made customizations is amazing, so more customability freakin' rocks. But I just wanted less First Person Action and more Third/God Play/Pause Tactics.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Crimpycracker-I'm sorry, I know how you feel when it comes to "hate" on forums and I am responisble for this thread, I didn't think it would become a turf war.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
In closing for myself: I think that Skyrim is a fine game for all it's fans, but for me it is not as much an RPG(: "A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting or a recreation of a setting derived from reality."-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game) as a RP Simulator(:"Simulation game or simply game is simulation of various activities in "real life" in the form of a game for various purposes: training, analysis, or prediction. Usually there are no strictly defined goals in the game, just running around, playing as your character."-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulator_game). I am not saying one is better than another, to each their own as all things are.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
That definition is extremely broad, any game in which you play a character in a fictional setting can be defined as a rpg that way. For me, western rpgs need to be about having your own character and assuming a role you choose by yourself. That always has been the quintessential essence of pen and paper rpgs, it's one of the things many people loved about DA:O, it's what makes Skyrim so popular. And DA II fails to provide that. I'm not saying DA should be turned into an Oblivion clone, a role play simulator or whatever you want to call it, I'm just saying that there are at least some elements in Skyrim from which DA could profit. But if you ask me, Bioware might as well just look for most of these elements in DA:O. Lemonaidz (talk) 12:47, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I just wanted a definition on the page to call from. You're right though, I just wanted to make sure that the two games stay in different genres simply because they are far different play styles.Sir Fritz (talk) 06:32, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Skyrim is an open world rpg. Dragon age is a more story oriented rpg. Know the difference. Yash7 (talk) 15:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
ive played dragon age all summer in anticipation for skyrim and after my 8th playthrough of da2 its grown on me but i love the elder scrolls games.its all opinion based but i like both,no i LOVE both.skyrim is just a huge open world where i can do watever i want,wen i want but i also like the roleplaing in da.i will agree that in skyrim the npcs dont have a lot of depth like in da but there are so many people in skyrim than in da and i understand that skyrim has lots of bugs and gliches but its a new game with a new game engine so i dont understand why all the hate for it.--Purpledragon123197 (talk) 15:44, January 14, 2012 (UTC)purpledragon123197
- I'm sorry to say this, but I actually enjoy Bethesda and Rockstar's bugs/glitches. Faces gone, heads twisting around as if possessed, conversations that accidently break into a fight, dragons flying backwards, people in the air or flying up for no reason, people being loaded instead of the enemy they attack as, stuck in doors, floors, and objects. As long as it doesn't break the game (to bad about breaking the environment though) I think it adds an odd fun to it of finding these things as if they're easter eggs. I would say the only time that a game should be rated down is for things like Fallout 3 where you had to start over your game if you entered a certain house in the north and it would currupt all your save files. That seems like a better reason to complain, but there are many lengthy reasons for both sides on the dislike or not. I did not mean for this thread to become an anti-Skyrim, but a complaint of going further away from what I took for the core the Baldur's Gate/Dragon Age Real-time Tactical RPG.Sir Fritz (talk) 06:32, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Good gods... am I the only one who finds the Skyrim game extremely over-rated? I've been playing it for the past week and I still have little to no knowledge what the plot is other than Dragons are back, you are a Speshul snowflake because you can kill them and absorb their souls and speak their words as powers, the rest is just boring dungeon crawling. The reason I love the Dragon Age series is because it is story based and story driven. It is what makes those games stand out. Sure, DA2 are not as good as the first, but the story is still good and interesting and makes you ache for more. Skyrim is just running around doing stuff that most of the time have little to do with the plot other than; "It'd be cool to become the leader of the Thieves Guild or the companions" kind of thing... It has no bearing on the "main plot" which one can play through in like no time at all if you wanted to. I will not follow the Dragon Age series any further if they make either a MMO or a game like Skyrim as the next game. Both genres of RPGs bores the shit out of me and destroys the whole idea of a plot-driven and character developing game that made me fall for the DA series in the first place. --Ser Mea (talk) 06:48, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
- If you can find out what makes a sandbox fun (I feel I was a very bitter child) then you have you're answer on why there is such a wide audience that play Skyrim. These are not necissarily RPG fans, these are people who are playing something to escape into a virtual world, just like an MMO. It reaches a lot of casual or non-gamers to pick something up that simply go and do until they decide to stop, but then when they pick it back up again, nothing has changed and they can start doing whatever again. Those kind of games make me truly feel like I'm waisting my time and I call it madness or insanity, but for many it is fun, so good for them.Sir Fritz (talk) 07:26, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
- How can you say you can play through the main plot in no time when you haven't even played the main plot that far? That's kinda contradictory, isn't it? Maybe you should first actually play through the main plot before you criticize it.
- And, again, taking inspirations from Skyrim doesn't mean a sudden complete conversion into a completely different genre of games. They are talking about having a wider, open world; that could as well just mean that we won't be trapped in a single city and its surroundings for the next game. Lemonaidz (talk) 09:42, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah again, the biggest difference between the two games (but definitely not the only) is that DA has a focus on story and characters and TES has an emphasis on open worldness and exploration. They are two very different games I don't really like Skyrims story because it isn't really interesting, but I (like many I guess) really don't care, I love a good story but I don't need one either. If I'm looking for a good story I always have games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect to look forward to. My point is you don't always really have to prefer one over the other, I really like both and as I said above I like DA:O even more than Skyrim, but in my eyes they are both great games and it depends on what you like better or in my case feel like playing at the time. And this falls a bit into the point that Sir Fritz is making I like both games in their own right and they can both take tips from each other, but overall they are two very different games that I would rather not blend together. I play SKyrim when I feel like it (when I'm in a more adventurous, actiony, and spontaneous mood) and Dragon Age when I feel like it (when I'm in a more thinking, story-based, and tactical mood), that's why I preferred the more tactical style of DA:O and why I think DA2 is being compared to Skyrim so much, because it went in a more action-RPG route like Fble and TES Oblivion, I believe if it had stayed closer to it's Baldur's Gate roots and more tactical DA:O style it would not be compared to Skyrim so much. MrRexfire (talk) 13:15, January 15, 2012 (UTC)