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I knew Morrigan was desperate for love (even if she didn't admit it to herself). I had, of course, seen the dialog about breaking the mirror she stole, but I assumed that was just hardening her. However, I just took her into the Mage Tower for the first time and saw her Fade nightmare. In it the fade spirit in the form of Flemeth starts slapping her around and Morrigan says "Too little, too late". I find this very sad. I wonder if anyone else besides me has sympathy for Morrigan. I hear lots of talk about her being a bitch, and lots of talk about how hot she is. What I want to do, is see if I can unharden her.Folnar (talk) 16:57, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Then I guess you and I are in the same boat, friend. Though I gotta admit, Morrigan reminds me my e-girlfriend, except without the hating me part. And I just wanted there was a way in the game itself to make Morrigan stay in the end. The Bard From Hell (talk) 17:10, August 20, 2010 (UTC) The Bard From Hell

Personally i dont pit her, but i do feel like she didnt have the best upbringing but i feel like she needed to be brough up strong and hard or she wouldnt survie. I do think if she wasnt in that eviroment she could of been a very loving person because she is. I do think she hides it but i also think it is obvious. I also think she does care for alsiatir somewhat because she scolds him for not standing up for himself when meeting his sister. So yeah i do feel a bit sorry for her but like she said it was needed. PinkOldShoes (talk) 20/08/2010

I agree with the original post...Morrigan is iindeed an abused and vulnerable character, she was raised by Flemeth who didn't give a damn about her and kept her around only so she could posess her body. Morrigan never knew love or companionship, and clearly it bothered her, so it is not surprising that she fled at the end when her feelings for the Warden were undeniable. I just hope we get to finish the storyline between her and the Warden in a future DLC. Lord Saren101 (talk) 17:51, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Not much hope there mate, but let's keep our fingers crossed.IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 18:51, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

The quote on Morrigan page, by Kate Mulgrew, fits quite well here. "Morrigan is innocent. She is beautiful. She is vulnerable."....It's this that makes me wish that she has a 'happily ever after' ending even if everyone else dies.IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 18:50, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the idea, that Morrigan is abused. But on the other way, she knows what she is doing. She is following her own way. She knows what Flemeth is. She is playing her own kind of game. Finnyanne (talk) 19:16, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I still don't think Morrigan's story is over yet. RangerWT (talk) 19:53, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

To that I agree, Ranger, but to call her innocent no way. She uses The Warden, she uses her knowledge through the Grimoire (hope I spell it right *ggg) She is following her own way, to get the best out of the story. Finnyanne (talk) 19:59, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


The game's isn't exactly about the happiest people around is it? Little Lady Cousland (my favourite origin story) lives in the assumption that her entire family died at the hands of Arl Howe. Sten is an exile and is bound to be killed should he return without the answers the Arishok *sp* demands and without his sword. Alistair is a royal bastard with a horrid sister for his only living relative, Zevran? Where to start. Dalish mother, City elf dad, raised by whores and bought by the Crows. Oghren more or less the laughing stock of Orzammar and what not. The title says it all...the dark fantasy epic and you really don't get that good a story with happy charachters. From my point of view that adds to the experience instead of the statutory Disney sugary ending or the whole knight in shining armour. Thank God (Or Maker be praised) for Bioware's understanding of this. --Imogen Warden Grey (talk) 20:22, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

That I am glad for that, no Disney happy endings in this. Maybe it is a little bit of topic now... But I can remember my mother watching Shrek 1 for the first time. The part where Fiona was singing with the bird. She skwed her eyes.. in the way not this again and was slipping down to the floor, loud out laughing when the bird explodes. The game is the same, full of surprises you do not imagine.And that is why I like it. It is always "Surprise Surprise". Finnyanne (talk) 20:46, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I generally tend to like Morrigan. Yes she is negative but she's generally willing to listen -- she has a keen sense of dry humor, she's quite intelligent (some of her snappy comebacks are brilliant) -- and she's one hell of a fighter -- But to the point, I have never taken her into the Mage's tower. It seemed superfluous to have both her and Wynne. So her nightmare is indeed a revelation to me. I'm planning a replay to see that nightmare. Thanks for the tip. WarPaint (talk) 21:58, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I like the way Morrigan and Wynne work together, they might not like each other and their conversations are ripe with contempt for one another, which make for some entertainment. Also you must remember, Morrigan was raised by Flemeth who was a recluse. So, she would have told Morrigan how society would treat Mages like she was and how they Chantry would send their Goon-Squads to kill them, so Morrigan's views on both the Chantry and the Circle were set at an early age. She also had no other human contact other than the men Flemeth brought to the hut for some reason or another. So, Morrigan is just now learning to socialize with others, well unless you count the times she went to Lothering when she was younger, but that was not the same as she is now, working with others for a common goal. Anya (talk)22:42, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think alot of people say that they think Morrigan is a bitch but im sure alot of them actually like her. I know i started calling her a bitch after the dark ritual ending but thats because i couldnt believe she would do something like that for all i'd done for that woman! But in an expansion or future game or whatever would i want to find her and raise our kid, Hell Yeah !!!


I also like...nay, Love Morrigan and even when I have consider many times to romance Leliana, I just can't drive myself to do it, every time I go for Morrigan. She is indeed vulnerable emotionally, hardened because otherwise she would be dead, strong and distant for otherwise she would've been abused and even when she was living in a swamp she was educated in history so yes, even flowers can grow in places like the wilds as she said while looking at a distance. In a way she starts to open to the warden, after getting the grimoire she realizes the lenghts one goes for friendship, loyalty and even love since in a specific and her point of view she asked a man to risk, fight and possibly die for her so she could be prepared in case her life was in danger by Flemeth. I think there is much to read between the lines with her, she is a magnificent book barely opening and once opened worth reading, she has many things she wish she could say as in her dailogues while saying one thing she pauses and changed her words, that means that she says something suited but not exactly what she was thinking.

Also I like the way, subtle or not, how she stands up for the warden (making me say: that's my girl!) as in the ritual or in trivial things as brining daygan to the camp as she replies it should be the warden and not the maker nor the ancestors they should be thankful, as well when in lothering talking with Murdock and telling him about the skilled wardens and the "sorry village" how he answers back, the way Morrigan steps up is one thing I liked a lot. I tried to play the game or conversations with only Morrigan in the party to see her remarks and in my point of view she is no where near of being a bitch and she is dutiful even when she has her own agenda, survival is what she learned and what she cares about, even with the god child she needs to be prepared in case Flemeth returns. I like the given hint that Morrigan went to Orlais, she is all about beauty, the jewelery, the essence of the god of beauty, and orlais that if compared to France is a beautiful place fitting for her tastes, after living in the swamp with animals, ponds and mud she does long for a change and in the epilogue of awakening that's where the warden is heading. I hope their story continues in some way and not make a metal gear lame ending like Morrigan dying as Naomi did I hated that.--Anthonior (talk)

I've never taken that behavior as "standing up for the warden", but as she is taking a chance to show that belief in a supreme being is silly. She's being a realist, and takes every chance she can to rub that in others' faces. Especially in Redcliff when the promise is made to Owen, she says, "Oh goody..." I do like her message. She expects people to be responsible for their own destinies, and not rely upon the supernatural, or luck. However, she is pretty damn ruthless about it. LVTDUDE (talk) 08:07, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
It can still be considered as to stand up for the warden for the comment wynne mentioned about Morrigan looking at the warden and smile, I hardly think is about mocking since she felt sorrow and regret parting ways with the warden I was forgetting about that remark she said to Owen!! hahaha I liked that too, she basically said what I was thinking, Fine I'll help just because I need owen to start working to prepare the militia so I can enter the castle and see what's going on with Eamon. I feel trully good about this game and about the warden since I heard a slogan in a video spot: "Not all heroes are pure" I take it as being a hero and still do things that could be "questionable" but that's it, I love how ruthless she can be some times and how worry she could be when asking Zevran if he was still trying to kill the warden, or at the ritual, or when asked if she really wanted Flemeth dead almost asking if the warden wants her to beg for her life, I liked when she said she could either go and prepare herself though she doens't want to because she enjoys the time she spends with the wardem. I like her crude or raw view of life and how she rubs that in other people's faces --Anthonior (talk)

I also like Morrigan very much. I am playing as a female Warden (human rogue) who is romancing Alistair and I still like her. I think it is very touching how she sees the Warden as a sister who would go through great lengths to see that she is protected. Of course it is a bit disturbing for a woman who considers herself your friend to have to sleep with the man you love for you to keep you alive. morrigan states that she does not regret it and it had to be done. But I still find myself liking Morrigan. I told her I was going to look for her. I am not sure if this will affect my epilogue since I am a woman and not in love with her. I also thanked her for "what she did" and she even seemed to be a bit surprised by it. I hope the Old God baby does not turn out to be something that I have to kill her for. No matter how difficult she was, I really liked her. Plus she is a fuckin Beast in battle. Anya is so right, she and Wynne are great in battle together.RhiannonCousland (talk) 04:28, August 21, 2010 (UTC)RhiannonCousland



I like Morrigan, too, and find quite easy for my male Warden to fall in love with her, love being not just the pink and fluffy Disney-style of thing. The glimpses of the person she might have been had Flemeth not messed up with her, make me feel really sad. I'll gladly kill Flemeth for that, even if it weren't for the body-possessing business.Ygrain (talk) 04:47, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Too bad the bitch isn't dead. i liked morrigan and the sisterly connection she had with my Warden. With that, I know that she won't betray me with her god-child.Or at least wait until I'm dead to start the world conquest.Nyuurocks (talk) 05:46, August 21, 2010 (UTC)--Nyuurocks

Its funny actually i had my mp3 player on shuffle and the Billy Joel song She's Always a Woman came up after listening to the lyrics i realised this is the perfect song that describes my wardens relationship with Morrigan

She can kill with a smile She can wound with her eyes She can ruin your faith with her casual lies And she only reveals what she wants you to see She hides like a child, But she's always a woman to me

She can lead you to love She can take you or leave you She can ask for the truth But she'll never believe you And she'll take what you give her, as long as it's free Yeah, she steals like a thief But she's always a woman to me

CHORUS: Oh--she takes care of herself She can wait if she wants She's ahead of her time Oh--and she never gives out And she never gives in She just changes her mind

And she'll promise you more Than the Garden of Eden Then she'll carelessly cut you And laugh while you're bleedin' But she'll bring out the best And the worst you can be Blame it all on yourself Cause she's always a woman to me

She is frequently kind And she's suddenly cruel She can do as she pleases She's nobody's fool And she can't be convicted She's earned her degree And the most she will do Is throw shadows at you But she's always a woman to me

Basically saying she has her faults and she can be quite a bitch but to the warden she is always a 'woman'

Oh dear. Are we going to get a recital of "Uptown Girl" when you associate it with Leliana? Just kidding. Carry on. LVTDUDE (talk) 08:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and "Only the Good Die Young"- Alistair, all the way. LVTDUDE (talk) 08:42, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
I can see how the Billy Joel one would work since he was a Templar:
But sooner or later it comes down to fate, I might as well be the one ... Well, they showed you a statue, told you to pray, They built you a temple and locked you away ... You might have heard I run with a dangerous crowd...
I feel like the Iron Maiden Only the Good Die Young might work a bit better in Alistair's case though, (maybe I'm conflicted):
Time it waits for no man, My future it is revealed ... Mystery madman a victim of cruel charade, Some innocent pawn in an end game one more stalemate ... Walking on water are miracles all you can trust... --Aedan Cousland (talk) 12:45, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
I was actually looking at the virginity angle with Alistair and the Billy Joel song. Whenever I play a female warden, it always cracks me up that he's so reluctant at first. His response to a suggested threesome is pretty funny, too. LVTDUDE (talk) 17:06, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Meh I'm the reverse of all this. I found it funny the first time Morrigan needs help. She expect everyone to bend over backwards for her. I never minded betraying her to Flemith. To me she remind me of a quote ((if I offend I'm sorry but I don't know how else to word this)) She like a stripper have your fun then move on. That girl got enough issues to start a magzine stand. That what my Warnden did. Once the choice between the witch and the bard came up she lost.--IceStar100 (talk) 08:57, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I just like the fact she speaks in some sort of Shakespearean prose. THERE IS NO WRITING ON MY FORR'ED... 'TWAS NOT I! Mauvegroove (talk) 09:04, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


Dayum!! Icestar a G!! What song were those lyrics from?? Did you do the Ritual with her??RhiannonCousland (talk) 15:27, August 21, 2010 (UTC)RhiannonCousland

I maybe wrong (they could have been put in a song), but I'm pretty sure those are just sayings. They're just modern adages that people hear, say, and repeat. EDIT: I didn't intend that first part to rhyme, now I feel like a tool... --Aedan Cousland (talk) 18:44, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I thought is was a song cause everyone was talking about songs that describe the different characters. Whatevs. Still snappy. : ) RhiannonCousland (talk) 19:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

It something a friend told me when I dated a well stripper. Don't worry Rhiannon it just who I am. If your going to use me I'll use you right back and noit I didn't. Didn't want to give her any lead at all that I could not controll. n

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