Forum:Morrigan and Alistair?

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I've been reading some interesting theories about the world and story of Dragon Age, but one really got my eye... Is it possible that Morrigan is Alistair's half-sister? As I've been reading, it looks like that the story about Alistair and Morrigan is based on the legend of King Arthur (Alistair being Arthur). Arthur was a bastard of King Uther and Morrigan would be Morgana, Arthur's half-sister and they had sexual relationships which gave Morgana a child (Mordred, he is known for betraying his father). Morrigan could be Alistair's half-sister because it's possible that Maric had relations with Flemeth, and you can ask Alistair to do that ritual with Morrigan. Do any of you think it's possible? If it may be true then I'm shocked! --Rocketai (talk) 02:23, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, probaly cause im the 1 who posted that forum haha thanx 4 reading it.(: --Kingkain21 (talk) 17:27, August 4, 2010 (UTC)KingKain 21

It's a fairly popular theory among the fandom, one I wouldn't be surprised to see be true. I've given it quite a bit of thought and it seems possible, a lot of story potential there. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 02:36, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Really? How I never heard about this before? I only read this theory a few hours ago. Maybe in DA2 will say something or/and will give more tips? --Rocketai (talk) 02:56, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, there have been multiple threads in these forums where it's been discussed. There was some in the thread Morrigan and the Child, and in Maric Morrigan's Father?! thread. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 03:22, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

OH GOOD LORD NOT AGAIN. Seriously, this stupid theory has been mentioned far too many times on this wiki. There are several major flaws with it, such as:

1) First, the theory assumes that Dark Ritual will be made the official Dragon Age canon for all players. It won't be. Source: David Gaider on the Bioware forums.

2) Second, the theory assumes that Morrigan will do the ritual with Alistair. Again, that will not be canon. See above. Even for players who accepted the Dark Ritual, Alistair/Morrigan is only one of four possible options, the other three being Warden/Morrigan, Loghain/Morrigan, and (for ritual refusers) no ritual at all. That is a 1 in 4 chance for Alistair/Morrigan and a 3 in 4 chance for NO Alistair/Morrigan.

3) That alone makes any Alistair/Morrigan plot unlikely to be very earth-shattering, since it would affect only those players who specifically chose to have Alistair do the ritual. But beyond that, there is no indication of any kind in the game... not even the tiniest hint... that Morrigan and Alistair might be related.

So, NO, damn it all. But don't take my word for it. Why don't you go to the Dragon Age 2 forums at Bioware's website and read some of the "Will Hawke be able to romance his sister Bethany hur hur" threads? See for yourself how much interest the developers have for including incest in their video games (Hint: None). If you think your pet theory would be different because it's all Arthurian and whatever, than please, start up a thread there and ask David Gaider about this theory directly. He's been answering fans' questions and theories with some frequency lately. I for one sure would love to see him put this one to rest.--DarkAger (talk) 03:23, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

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I think the main point here is that Alister and Morrigan are brother & sister, the sex thing is not that important, though they could do the dark ritual. That said; I do find that Alister being Morrigans half-brother very interesting and quite plausible, especially if you look at the banter between the two as they travel about trying to raise an army, to me they sound like siblings or maybe even they have a thing for one another and don't want to admit it. Anya McDonald09:36am, July 24, 2010

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I agree with Anya McDonald about the sibling rivailary they fight all the time. But when asked about her he says she is a bitch so no to romance but yes to all the fighting as a sis and bro. but I do beleive they are bro. and sis. why else would Maric and Flemeth go in the hut without Logain. and he was not allowed to say anything. HELLO. And as a female warden you have one less chance to stop them from doing it thank you very much.And also I hate to make Alistar mad so I never spare Logain so pretty much he sleeps with her every time so sad really. But I do give him some Evlen booty first. so his virginity is not lost to his sis. Marcymariehunter (talk) 15:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Aaaaaand, this is why I hate this theory so much. It is based on NOTHING. "Golly, why else would Maric go into Flemeth's hut alone if not to have wild sex with her? There certainly couldn't be any other explanation." Oh wait-- there could be. She could have had things to tell him, for example, that she didn't want Loghain to hear (by far the most likely explanation). Or she could have wanted to play monopoly but was afraid that Loghain would cheat. Or she could have wanted to force him to dance the Remigauld while wearing a pretty dress and she figured that having Loghain there would ruin the experience for her. Or, you know, anything at all.

But no... there's no point in arguing with the "Alistair and Morrigan are related theory," I know that. And the reason it can't be argued with is that it exists entirely in the minds of people who, despite having absolutely no evidence to back their claims, base it instead on the general sentiment that it would be cool or appropriate or whatever. You can't argue with a theory that people insist on even though they can't prove it and it makes no goddamn sense and it has nothing to do with anything. I mean, for god's sake, the last two of you who posted aren't even going to argue with me about whether I've eliminated the Mordred angle, but you're still insisting that Alistair and Morrigan are brother and sister based on even less evidence than before! I don't know why I even tried bringing logic into an argument based entirely on "but it would be so cool."

Long story short... whatever. You guys can certainly cherish whatever theories you want to cherish. I have no idea at all why it should matter to me, because it's none of my damn business anyway. Everyone's fanon is important to them, right?--DarkAger (talk) 15:30, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

You are an oddly passionate detractor of this fan theory, very oddly passionate. Though I suppose I have the time on my hands to address your three points.

1) The theory doesn't really assume anything will be made cannon. People have all kinds of expectations for what might happen with the OGB, the Alistair/Morrigan angle is just another possible element in it. The ties to the Arthurian stories in particular have to do with the fact that most fantasy writers have been greatly influenced by those stories. There is also the fact that many contemporary writers of Arthurian stories have been connecting Morgan Le Fay to the The Morrigan. Again, the theory requires nothing to be made canon. DA:O is about choices and their consequences, if Alistair had a baby with Morrigan, then he had a baby with Morrigan, the connection can be made.

2) This one's kind of repetitive, the theory doesn't assume Alistair will do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. He can do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. The theory is about the consequences of that action.

3) The above two points being addressed, that doesn't mean the Alistair and Morrigan plot can't be earth shattering plot twist (though what would qualify is up to interpretation anyway). What the OGB, if they exist at all, might or might not do is the thing here. An extended part of the theory is that there will be a war on Fereldan at some point, and the OGB (if they exist) will play some sort of part reminiscent of Mordred. The OGB may not be the ultimate big bad in that story, but they would be at least a boss level enemy.

If you hate the theory so much why don't you go ask about this one? I personally don't really care enough, it would be to big of a spoiler if they said one way or another (a reason I doubt they would, though again I don't care enough to try). Also there is a key difference between some creep wanting Hawke+Hawke's sister incest and speculating on bringing a classic element of fantasy stories into play. The theory has a lot to do with knowing how a lot of stories like this play out, knowing what kinds of plot twists to expect, what habits writers have, the kinds of influences seen in their previous work, and so on and so on. Some people know their writers, and they know their tropes, and this is their pet theory. Maric made a deal with Flemeth, in exchange for "something" he got information, equipment, and safe passage out of the Korcari Wilds. We don't know what Flemeth got in exchange, just that the deal haunted Maric. The near obvious answer is a child, a child named Morrigan no less. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 18:36, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

This theory is most definitely a pet peeve of mine. But, as I realized only too late, it isn't worth arguing about. Though I do have one last thing to add to this discussion, which is......--DarkAger (talk) 19:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wow DarkAger I see you like to rant i am just commenting on what I think makes sense but if there is nothing going on then why did we not get to go in with them to know. why are we left outside of the hut. Surely if it was just a game of Monopoly we would be able to read all about it. so maybe we are left out cause we don't want ot hear about old women relations. just saying!!! plus I like to hear you rant it is fun. lol so bring it. Marcymariehunter (talk) 18:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

......--Flemeth playing Monopoly with Maric is too awesome for mortal eyes to behold, and that's why we didn't get to see it. Flemeth/Maric/Monopoly is canon. I know in my heart it is so.--DarkAger (talk) 19:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

darkager you are too cute and funny i think we should all just agree to disagree Marcymariehunter (talk) 21:52, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I have to wonder how constant disagreement, mutual dislike, and snarky commentary is proof of a sibling-like relationship. Morrigan's dialogue with -everyone- is disagreeable and snarky. A lot of the characters tease or disagree with one another a lot of the time in their dialogues, in more friendly ways many times. Morrigan and Alistair remind me more of a buddy cop pair than anything else; they may not like each other, but they work together anyway. In the end, either way with the ritual, Alistair's dislike is still evident and not very brotherly. I also don't accept Maric going into the hut alone as any kind of proof. A man and a woman can share a private space and it not involve sex. Flemeth's an odd duck who may have reasons to talk to Maric without anyone else to hear, for whatever weird reason. Maric was running around enough between Rowan and Fiona. It's not a theory I'll ever use or see happening myself. *shrug*LynMars (talk) 22:33, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

One other thing can disprove the 'Flemeth having sex with Maric' idea, Flemether tells Maric that one day Loghain will betray him, perhaps Flememth had something to tell Maric that Loghain could use against him? It could be possible.Rogue.Of.The.Dales (talk) 02:20, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

If that was the case then why did Maric have Loghain killed?–– Anya McDonald--07:21, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Cause he needed Loghain to be a zombie in order to betray Cailan and have him fall to darkspawn? Maric had Loghain killed? Since when? ReaperZ (talk) 09:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I meant to say, why didn't he have Loghain killed. Anya McDonald Anya Marie McDonald 09:29, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

When it came to his best friend and general versus a crazy old witch in the woods? Maybe Maric didn't believe whatever Flemeth said. Or it had to do with other characters, or Maric's own future.LynMars (talk) 10:24, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

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Is Flemeth psychic now, what the hell do you base that on? -rphb- (talk) 08:48, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Considering she can transform into a dragon, is a little scrying and divination so far-fetched? Then again, she could just use a mundane combination of spying and savvy. DokEnkephalin (talk) 13:59, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

• • • What has the theory of Morri and Alistair being related got to do with Flemeth?? She's not morrigans birth Mother!! ***