Ok some thing has been bothering me for a while. How is it that a baby with the taint isn't killed by a(n) old god in it but a full grown man or woman with the taint is? It's very odd and well it's tin foil hat time for what ever you think is right..--Drewk82 (talk) 19:07, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Who knows? It must be Morrigan's dark-secret-creepy-sex-ritual and some kind of blood magic makes the baby stay alive with Urthemiel's soul. She doesn't explain much about this... We may find out in DA2. --Rocketai (talk) 22:14, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Morrigan implies that it has something to do with the "early stage" of the pregnancy. The killing of an Archdemon kills the Warden because the reaction between the Warden's soul and the Old God's soul destroys both souls. Apparently when a baby is first conceived in the Dragon Age universe, its soul is more malleable than a regular, adult person's soul will be. With the help of some taint and a little blood magic, it can therefore be mixed with Old God soul to produce sweet, sweet demon-baby. The end.--DarkAger (talk) 22:23, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- How cute... But I'm also confused with the fact of Morrigan's pregnancy. Alright, you have sex with her and two or three days later when you are fighting the Archdemon (or does it take more time?), how would the Archdemon's soul pass to the baby if Morrigan wasn't pregnant by the time of the battle in Denerim? Also, you don't need to take her to kill the Archdemon, she can stay in the city's gate, which means that the Archdemon would still go into your soul and kill you. Or she uses some kind of "spray anti-Arch
Eamondemon" on you so that the soul of the dragon won't kill you? --Rocketai (talk) 22:45, July 18, 2010 (UTC)- But she was pregnant at the time of the battle. She was just at the extremely early stages of her pregnancy. Which is to say, the baby had just barely been conceived. The egg had been fertilized and that's about all. As Morrigan herself says, "It can hardly be called a baby after one night," but there it is. As for how the Archdemon's soul got sucked into the future-demon-baby instead of, say, the Grey Warden or some random darkspawn even if you left Morrigan halfway across the city... presumably the ritual magic takes care of that part, too. Like some kind of awesome Old God-attracting magnet built right into the future baby, or whatever.--DarkAger (talk) 23:13, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Hm... Still confusing. But well, who cares? I just hope that there's a ... intelligent explanation in DA2. Hahaha! Awesome magnet! --Rocketai (talk) 23:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- The sole purpose of the ritual seemed to be to produce an alternate vessel for the old gods soul, somehow making it more suitable for it's soul then any other creature carrying the taint. If I where to guess it might have something to do with the baby (at the time of the archdemons death) having no sense of self – lacking any real individuality or personality. When the old god’s soul mixes with the soul of a grey warden the resulting struggle between them will then end in mutual destruction. A darkspawn, on the other hand, holds little more then a hive consciousness dominated by the old gods, and little in terms of individuality. In theory I suppose that means that an old god’s soul attempting to take possession a Disciple or the Architect might end in the death of both, just like when it tries to possess a Warden, because they have personalities and a clear sense of self. The fact that there’s no “resistance” in the baby likely plays a large part in why the gods soul would go there instead of any other tainted creature. Of course, that's just my theory - Kerethos (talk) 21:15, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
- Hm... Still confusing. But well, who cares? I just hope that there's a ... intelligent explanation in DA2. Hahaha! Awesome magnet! --Rocketai (talk) 23:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- But she was pregnant at the time of the battle. She was just at the extremely early stages of her pregnancy. Which is to say, the baby had just barely been conceived. The egg had been fertilized and that's about all. As Morrigan herself says, "It can hardly be called a baby after one night," but there it is. As for how the Archdemon's soul got sucked into the future-demon-baby instead of, say, the Grey Warden or some random darkspawn even if you left Morrigan halfway across the city... presumably the ritual magic takes care of that part, too. Like some kind of awesome Old God-attracting magnet built right into the future baby, or whatever.--DarkAger (talk) 23:13, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
The game already offers the best explanation of all: magic. Thedas is a fantasy realm and Morrigan is a witch. There are infinite possibilities of what magic can do in an unwritten canon and who's to say pregnancy or anything else should happen in Thedas like it does in real life?
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On a side note, what happens if the archdemon's soul enters, oh, say an ogre(assuming no warden kills the archdemon). Would the archdemon now be an ogre? Or would the ogre's body mutate into another archdemon(dragon)? I don't believe this was ever answered... DeltaEcho (talk) 02:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm actually pretty sure it was answered in an update to the codex text for Urthemiel. I believe it said that the Archdemon would shape the soulless darkspawn back into dragon-form again.--DarkAger (talk) 15:35, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I thought the same thing, DeltaEcho. It will jump to the nearest darkspawn...and then what? But what I wanted to say was: isn't it weird that you can sleep with Morrigan early in the game and she doesn't get pregnant, but she conveniently can before the final battle? Do they sell some method of birth control in the Wonders of Thedas? - Sophirim
It's mentioned once or twice that it's difficult for Wardens to conceive--it's a concern if a female Warden is married to/mistress of Alistair if he's made King, as he'll need an heir (and maybe still a worry if Anora's queen, as Return to Ostagar shows Eamon's concern she's barren since she didn't give Cailan an heir during 5 years of marriage). Also, if a male Warden does sleep with Morrigan at some point, but refuses the ritual, it's still possible to get an epilogue slide that says she's pregnant when she's seen heading west.
As for the ritual itself, I also go with the explanation of an unformed infant soul in a barely begun fetus, amplified by the ritual to act like a beacon for the Archdemon's soul, making it a better host than the Wardens or surrounding Darkspawn. If it did enter a Darkspawn, I also go with the corrupts and transforms into a dragon idea; it's not like there aren't plenty of hints at how the taint can transfigure creatures already (the Broodmother part was one of the more disgusting in DA:O).LynMars (talk) 09:05, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think Dragon Age is subtly having a pro-choice abortion message by saying that the undeveloped fetus doesn't have a soul at this stage in life. Also do you think the baby will resemble what Urthemiel looked like prior to being tainted? And be ridiculous beautiful?[User:Agent51|Agent51]] (talk) 05:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Just for the record, if you explore a couple of other dialogue options with Morrigan before the final battle, she actually says she has no interest in the soul of a Archdemon. Rather her ritual will actually purge the taint from the soul, leaving just the soul of the old god intact. It's why most people refer to it as the old god baby, not a demon baby. I've also always wondered about one other thing. One of the companion conversations Morrigan has with Shale has her saying that to shapeshift into an animal, she must learn to duplicate the soul of that animal. And apparently, Flemeth actually kept a high dragon around long enough for her to copy the soul of the dragon which allows her to transform into one if you choose to attack her.
Which begs the question: could Morrigan be thinking of transforming herself into an Old God by attempting to copy the soul of Urthemiel because she'll have him in the form of a child by her side constantly?
- I usually call it a demon baby because that's what Alistair calls it in the game. Morrigan of course calls it "A child with the soul of an Old God<' but that isn't quite as snappy, so I guess Old God Baby will do.--DarkAger (talk) 15:35, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm... It does make sense... Could it be that in DA2, Morrigan will start another Blight?! Oh, God! I'm so curious!! --Rocketai (talk) 16:08, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oh shit your right. If ever the baby is expierenced to the Taint, then it will become another Archdemon, and THEN, make another blight which will then make the Archdemon inact revenge upon ferelden!
- I don't think so; Morrigan's sprog is merely a "vessel" for Urthemiel's spirit, which suggests that it will be Urthemiel trapped in the body of a human. Which in turn means that, upon being subjected to the taint, it will merely transform into a ghoul. Mauvegroove (talk) 20:25, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
All i want is some closure to know if the warden ever saw her again because i've got in my head what went down but id like to know what they thout
I don't think it's as simple as that. Plainly, I thought Morrigan really made a stupid decision. All Old God souls emanate a "song" that attract hordes of darkspawn. Unless the Architect manages to free all the darkspawn from the lure of the old god song, it's very likely the existing darkspawn are grouped in 2 giant warbands tunnelling through the deeproads, seeking the remaining 2 old gods. Who is to say there isn't another group actively pursuing the nascent soul within Morrigan right now?
- The end of Awakening stated that the Architect apparently stayed true to his word, allowing us to semi-assume that he made the Darkspawn immune to the Old Gods' song. Mauvegroove (talk) 11:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Let me see if I can explain this so you will understand. Morrigan preformed a ritual, this ritual was taught to her by Flemeth, who has been aroung the block a few times, so we have to assume that this ritual makes the following possible;
1) Allows Morrigan to get pregnant on the first try just before the final battle and the ArchDemon is killed.
2) Attracks the ArchDemon to the new forming baby in Morrigans womb and ignor all DarkSpawn.
3) Since Morrigan was not tainted with the DarkSpawn Blood as were the Grey Wardens, then the baby will have it's tainted blood weakend or watered down, so it wont rise again when it gets older.
As for finding Morrigan and the baby, remember you gave your word that the father of the child would not seek her or the baby out and that she would dissappear and never be seen again. Though at the end of the game there is a mentioned of sightings of Morrigan and the baby.
Personally I think that it would be great if the child grew-up and knew it was an old god that it would try and reclaim its glory and revenge on those who denounced it, especially the Chantry, but without using the DarkSpawn.--- Anya McDonald- 10:11am, July 24, 2010
- As the Grey Warden, you don't have to promise not to seek her out; she'll jump in bed with you even if you tell her you have every intention of hunting her down. Alistair, on the other hand, never wants to see her again for the rest of his life.74.176.34.144 (talk) 16:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
This is one of the greatest mysteries of DA i'd say. My thoughts about this: Child inherited small amount of taint from father (Warden or Alistair), thus it's immune to taint and certain death from Archdemon's essence.
Second, they fetus doesn't have it's "soul" formed,yet, so the essence of the Archdemon can nest itself inside.
Third, and most confusing, why does an essence of the Old god/Archdemon decides to transport itself into a child, and not in surrounding humans,dwarves,elves or darkspawn? Why does the ritual works well even if you don't choose Morrigan as a final party member? And why does Morrigan ends up with child even if you refuse the ritual and she leave? (Epilogue section)
Answer's could be like Anya McDonald said. Ritual ensures that essence of Old god travels to the unborn child in Morrigan and only to it, nowhere else, including the fact that Morrigan fight's near the gates and not with Warden on rooftop. As to, how Morrigan ends up with child even if you refused the ritual... all i can think of it is..... rubbish! If Morrigan indeed went heavy with child before the final battle in one of the love moments in camp tent, why would she do it with Alistair if you refuse? And i doubt she would give birth to an ordinary child, even if it's the child of the man she loves. there are so many variables there that i must say .... RUBBISH!--Markurion (talk) 13:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
- If you don't do the Dark Ritual then Morrigan won't get the OGB. If you did romance her, and you did have sex with her back at camp, then she can get pregnant the normal way. In that case of course the baby won't be normal, it would have Morrigan the Witch of the Wilds as a mother. Also since magic ability runs in families it could be a mage (I'd think more than likely). It could have blood ties to House Cousland, or it could even be the child of a Dwarven Paragon. The non-OGB baby could be many things but definitely not ordinary. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 14:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Good point! But, wait, seriously, if you NEVER had a romance with Morrigan,(and you refused ritual) what says epilogue? She just vanished? And no "maybe baby"? Could it be that I finished game 10 times and never ignored Morrigan? Rofl. Thanks Aedan!--Markurion (talk) 17:20, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
- She will always offer the dark ritual, no matter how she feels about you. Her mother put her up to it, and even if you kill Flemeth, she'll still be driven (perhaps posessed?) to do it. DokEnkephalin (talk) 18:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, you have to have sex with Morrigan at least once to get one of the pregnant epilogue slides. I have wondered why if you're in a romance with Morrigan she even needs to tell you about the ritual though. You'd think just saying something like "We are at the eve of a great battle, who knows what may happen... if this turns out to be our last night together, let us have it be one of passion." How many would question that? She could also fake her death during the battle, it may be heart wrenching for the Warden sure, but he wouldn't really have any cause to chase her afterward. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 02:47, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Good point! But, wait, seriously, if you NEVER had a romance with Morrigan,(and you refused ritual) what says epilogue? She just vanished? And no "maybe baby"? Could it be that I finished game 10 times and never ignored Morrigan? Rofl. Thanks Aedan!--Markurion (talk) 17:20, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would be logical thing to do. If you are in romance with her. Though, the ritual conversation is slightly different if she loves you. For moment you can see she really feel sorry for doing it. In that case, all that revelation of what she intend to do, seems like her conscience would LIKE you to stop her, or follow her.But maybe that's just wishful thinking. I'm sempiternal romantic, what can i say? :D--Markurion (talk) 03:50, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- This is a bit off topic, but that's the first time I've ever seen anyone use the word "sempiternal", when not quoting TS Eliot, it feels strange... --Aedan Cousland (talk) 04:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
Do you know anything about embryos? In early states of a pregnancy the embryo consist of only few celles, each of which are totipotent. This means that a single cell, is able to grow into an entire organism. Humen cells are totipotent till they reach there forth phase. In there first three faces, when the embryo consist of: 1.= one cell, 2.= 2 cells and 3.=4 cells east cell is totipotent. In the forth phase (4.=8) the cells lose this ability and they start to specialize.
What is significant is that when a women have been pregnant for one day her baby is still in the first stage, inserting foreign dna in that cell result in a completely new organism, everything about the organism will be affected equally. Try to do the same thing with an adult man an it would be like bombing him with beta particles, (radiation=kill him)
I don’t know about souls, but genetically engineering is far more affective when they have totipotent cells to work with. With a lot of patience and a lot of luck, it is possible to clone a grown man, but it is very complicated. Now cloning a totipotent embryon, that is so simple that it can happen by accident, these clones are known as identical twins, triplets or whatever (depending on there number). What Morrigan wants to do is of course far more advanced then a mere cloning, but I hope you get the picture. -rphb- (talk) 21:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
- The genetics lesson was cool and all, but the spelling of "fourth", "cells", "human", "woman", "their" and "phases" needs some work. LVTDUDE (talk) 04:16, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
English is my second language, give me a break-rphb- (talk) 11:04, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
Who cares actually? I was also very exited about this baby old god thingy untill I learned that it was infact not a part of the cannon story, that killed me a little bit. D:
What are you talking about, is it not part of the canon story? I was certain that Morrigans God baby was THE canon ending, along with Alastair taking the throne. In fact I had speculated that Hawke is that God baby. You can't posibly tell me that baby is not part of the canon, it is going to play a huge role later.
-rphb- (talk) 09:32, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- While I'm pretty sure the assumption is King Alistair is canon (given Awakening if you don't import), I believe the devs have said the Old God baby is not canon before (don't have a reference handy right now though). Also, Hawke is NOT the old god baby, as his/her story starts as a young person in Lothering just after the events of Ostagar, before the baby would even be conceived. The Blight forcing Hawke to flee Lothering to Kirkwall is the starting point of DA2. Morrigan herself seems to have some importance to the DA world, though, so I doubt we'll see the last of her either way.LynMars (talk) 10:42, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- BioWare has been trying to make a clear distinction between canon and default story (it is a bit weird though). The stuff with the Orlesian Warden in Awakening is going along with the default story, the world you get if you don't import a save file. They decided to make a default for people who haven't played the original game, or who hadn't yet finished Origins when they started Awakening. I know it seems kind of crazy for them to do that but I think they were planning ahead for DA2 which is a standalone game. The default story might have the OGB as a set event, it might have the Warden bail out and let the Orlesians have Vigils Keep, I'm not really sure, but it isn't canon. If you didn't do it that way, it won't be forced on your Warden later on. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 16:09, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Who knows maybe we will see Morrigan and the baby in DA4 or 5Anya McDonald (talk) 10:54, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well any epilogue I did ends op telling that my warden disappeared. I would have thought that if I made a female human noble and married Alastair, she could just be queen and taking on Anoras roll, as the pinky finger the kind is rolled around, but no, she ended op just walking off after a few years, didn’t the designers not consider that some of us might like to play a character that are interested in power?
But I guess when you think about it, it is obvious that the default ending is that the warden sacrifices him/herself.
One thing I am wondering Aedan Cousland, is how you can distinques between default and canonic ending. Do they try to limit the amount the players can screw op the game by making some choices mandatory in future games, like making Alastair king, while other less important choises are left for the players to decide by importing their old characters? -rphb- (talk) 19:22, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- From what I remember hearing from David Gaider (sorry I don't have a source link at the ready), something is canon when it is forced on the character. The default story is more of a thing for people who haven't played before (Dragon Age 2 will have one). Since DA2 is an entirely new game BioWare doesn't want the game to be unplayable for people who haven't played Dragon Age: Origins. They want people to be able to import their save files, but new players won't have a save file to import, the solution they came up with was the "default story", and it makes sense to me.
- David Gaider has said they don't intend to make a canon story, that the ability to import a save is important to them too. They don't want to force choices on players, to change what players did for the sake of the story. The whole point of Dragon Age: Origins was the way choice affects the game, how player action shapes the future of Thedas.
- Now, while they don't want to make certain choices canon, they still need to have the default choices used for people without a save file to import. I assume part of the default will be similar to what we see as the story in Awakening if we play with an Orlesian Grey Warden. Alistair will be king and what not, I don't want to speculate too much. The default ending is whatever they decide to make it, maybe the Warden died. Maybe they did the Dark Ritual. A canon ending would be for them to decided for the next game that the Dark Ritual happens whether the player chose it or not, that even if you import a save where you didn't do it the choice will be overridden (something they've made clear they aren't doing). --Aedan Cousland (talk) 19:58, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- But those hard-and-fast choices made by the author, even if it's only out of necessity, attributes a canonicity to them by definition. DokEnkephalin (talk) 20:03, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Not really, so long as the choices from the previous games carry over then there isn't true canon. Default story is in some ways similar to canon, and an apple is in some ways similar to an orange. Their is a distinction between them, the main factor being whether player choice is carried over and acknowledged. BioWare could decide to make something canon later, they haven't yet and said they don't intend to but it could happen. If they do decide to make something canon it could be something that had been in the default story (or not). While to some it is a subject of concern, right now it's a non-issue. We'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 20:19, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Any storytelling choice the author makes has the same weight of canon, even if it places Road Cones that the author doesn't want. And any a posteriori declarations about the canonicity of something that's clearly been written and published has to be taken with a grain of 'Death of the Author Theory'. DokEnkephalin (talk) 20:30, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- I seriously hate that essay, the intentions and biographical context of the author are very important to a work of literature. I'm also not sure that it even applies here, the work isn't even done being made yet. It's not posteriori, it's priori, and this also isn't even about interpretation of the work. DA:O and DA2 are not novels or even movies, different rules apply in this situation. Novels and movies would never have to make a distinction between canon and the default story (a concept that doesn't really exist in those mediums). Default story is it's own thing, a solution to a new kind of problem that has come about from a new kind of storytelling.--Aedan Cousland (talk) 21:25, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't prefer the theory, but sometimes the author's claims about their intent are a bit suspect, such as when there appears to be a discrepancy between their interpretation of their work and a clear preference shown within the body of the work. I'm not saying their statements should be dismissed, but they can be used against them. Awakening's default story has now established canon for Origins, but this doesn't mean DA2 can't rewrite canon and render Awakening's canon discontinuity (which is about as much respect as it deserves anyway.) DA2 may not yet be written, but it's everyone's expectation that it will be, in which case...when the word goes to print, it is the Word of God regarding the work, regardless of anything David tells the press and fan community in the meantime. DokEnkephalin (talk) 23:24, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Canon is something that actually happened, the death of King Endrin is canon, Arl Howe's attack on Highever is canon, the destruction of Lothering during the blight is canon, Loghain's retreat at Ostagar is canon. Canon is something unavoidable, player action makes no difference. Specific choices by players are not canon. Alistair becoming king is not canon, despite the fact that he was the default king in Awakening. It's just a default setting, if there was no imported save they still needed someone to be king so they just stuck him in. For Alistair being king to be canon even in Awakening, BioWare would have to retcon the player choice at the Landsmeet for all imported saves, making him king regardless of player choice in Origins. That didn't happen, because Alistair being king was not canon, it was the default story. Default story is created so that a game can be played without a save game to import, it is related to, but separate from canon. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 00:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Here's what actually happened: the author made a choice. Maybe his arm was twisted in the case of Alistair and similar roadcones, but the choice was made for the sake of narrative, demonstrating a clear preference on the part of the author, regardless of the author's insistence about leaving all choices to the player. So maybe 'Death of the Author' doesn't apply, but what the writer says and what he does are two separate exhibits to be considered. DokEnkephalin (talk) 00:35, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- You didn't even address my point that time. This dialogue is breaking down, I'm out. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 00:47, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I did address your point: Awakening's default story made King Alistair canon by selective roadconing, a clear choice by the author. Retcon isn't necessary because that outcome had already been written. Now a future expansion or sequel/synquel could also pick a new set of roadcones to weave the story through, thereby establishing a new canon. DokEnkephalin (talk) 00:51, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
As far as I'd heard, DA2 will accept imported data from DAO, and the RoadConing will be limited to the choices you actually made as Grey Warden. Of course, if you use no import data, they're probably going to fall back on defaults that will become defacto canon. DokEnkephalin (talk) 19:39, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
That makes sense but it also makes the job for the designers so much more difficult, some things must be canon because it makes to wide implications if they led it fly while. Even small things like whether or not you help Brother Burkel and Dagna An Exalted March against the dwarves is a big thing, and would certainly antagonize them and the humans. I guess we can only wait an see.
I just hope the Architect isn't canon, for for everythning in DA he must die, he is potentially more dangerous then all the Blights combined.
-rphb- (talk) 20:51, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, the Architect's in the novels setting up the events that eventually lead to the Blight and then Awakening, so I'm pretty sure his existence is canon; his final fate may be more up in the air, though. And the danger of his proposed plans and how he tries to convince the Wardens they're necessary is precisely why he exists as an antagonist. LynMars (talk) 03:35, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
morrigan now posseses flemeths grimour.. this book has illicit instructions on the ritual for immortality in that of jumping to the body of a son/daughter.. i figure gender isnt important.. so heres what i think.. this child will be incredibly "magical" as morrigan was a powerful witch and also well he has the soul of an old god.. this has to mean something.. so i think that morrigan plans to jump ship onto the body of this kid llike flemeth planned with her..
She never seemed very motherly to me, but then agian maybe this kid, for some reason I can only think of him as a male, ends op doing a Morrigan on her.-rphb- (talk) 17:51, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Does Morrigan possess the grimoire, or is the grimoire possessing her? Ah, ha... DokEnkephalin (talk) 19:24, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Thats beside the point.. ha! she has how to become immortal..
I don't believe that Morrigan would be planning on taking over her son's body, I mean what the ritual basically entails is shoving the "donor" body's soul out of the body to make room for the possesor. I believe that any relationship between Morrigan and her son would look similar to the various depictions between Mordred and Morgan le Fey.--Draconi Nascentum Imperatore (talk) 03:23, June 23, 2013 (UTC) Draconi Nascentum Imperatore
Do you think the old god baby will be good, evil or neutral? KingofWinter (talk) 17:06, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral, or good if my warden had anything to do with the upbringing of his child. The kid will simply have a very old and powerful soul. Not to come across as cheesy or anything of the sorts but God Baby could pretty much just be the next Dovahkiin, a dragon in the body of a mortal. Heh, cheesy I know.
If we believe what Morrigan says however, she mentions how the child is an innocent and has no idea of his background or just what he is. Stark Helsing (talk) 17:31, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
okay, its 2014 now, nearing the release of inquisition. this ogb thing has been plaguing me since the release of DA2, i bought and played DAO and all its DLC, i chose to impregnate morrigan to preserve everyones lives and because i wanted to see what would happen.
obviously we don't know what ACTUALLY happened because she runs off, but i did remember finding her again so i went looking to find what i might have been doing and yes, the DLC Witch Hunt (which no one mentioned at all)
under the assumption that we all agreed on going forward with the ritual...
when we find her in the thaig it is confirmed that she gave birth to a son and he is in a safe location "Morrigan reveals that she has given birth to a male child, who is unaware of his background and is safe in another location."
i do not remember which ending i chose for this, it was a while ago, but i do plan on playing through DAO and DA2 before playing inquisition and going down this path again. i plan on fully allowing morrigan to go through the portal, where does this portal go? [i am reading another AMAZING thread][1] right now about theories and such of the eluvian.
i fully trust morrigan, and that her going through the eluvian is linked to the child and that the child is going to be crucial in bringing down flemeth (morrigan says that flemeth is not human and unbelievably powerful and evil, i'm not sure how to feel about this, i think flemeth is charming and has an eye for the overlying real problems of the world and balance of the natural forces, however i think morrigan is more attached to humanity and wants to preserve that over the existing/natural and ancient forces (the old gods, the evil within the fade etc)
i would really like to look at morrigans timeline, where did she give birth? who could possibly have the child? who does she know? why did it take her so long to find this portal when it took us maybe a month of in game time (travelling, research fighting takes time aha), why does she have to go right now and of course... what is beyond the fade? (i'm going to keep looking into this and maybe i can comment back here, its all linked it has to be)
in DA2 Merril has a shard of eluvian mirror (believed to be from the one in the dalish elf origins/the one used to locate the one we find morrigan at) and works on rebuilding it using blood magic.
in DA: the masked empire we find out that the eluvians are connected through another world/dimension which is not connected with the fade, it is some kind of elven magic (i'm slowly learning more about everything) place created by the original elves in elvhenan.
THIS is where i think morrigan (and the warden if it so chooses) goes to. there is speculation that it could be to the black city, i think this also makes sense but 1) i don't think there is anything of benefit to morrigan there and 2) i don't think that elves (i could be wrong í'm still researching) would have been able to put an eluvian there especially since these elven magic gateways are seperate from the fade and seem to be made from different stuff. the fade is pretty messed up as far as the physics of the place, however this elven eluvian highway favours elves and as seen from DAO, the fade is a junked up place for all races in the same way)
i don't think morrigan (and maybe warden) would have had much fun if i'm right (unless maybe if the warden is elvish).
i am praying, deeply that we get some answers in inquisition within the Dragon Age Keep (the story decision save making thing for inquisition which i think is BRILLIANT and makes everything pretty clear. all the little decisions we made are there. however the choice for a non ogb baby is there which i think is interesting.
YOU HAVE to make sure you create your previous decisions, the default world state does not have morrigan having a baby, having the black grimoire and has the warden dying and in Witch Hunt has morrigan going in alone.
i want to see a mind map of the decisions, the graphic interface is frustrating, i would love to see how the decision to go through with her, let her go by herself or stab her would change anything. and of course the obvious one: how does this influence DA2 and then inquisition/the future.
as i finish writing this, i read a post on reddit saying that the games are about the Dragon Age, not about our warden, not about morrigan. but i like to think that the events and decisions that we made are huge and world changing and that we will eventually get closure on these events.
i hope my post helps someone connect more dots and maybe make some more solid theories.
p.s on the topic of canonity, i think this is what makes videogames so amazing, we can create a world and have an adventure and create different stories to everyone and come together as mates to discuss what we went through and what can happen. its not a matter of what is and isn't canon because the story makers made all of these decisions to be possible to happen, its a wonder no one brought up the topic of choose your own adventure books. canon just is not the right word and i don't think is something that the creators think about, as all decisions may seem complicated they don't seem to affect much outside of that set of missions and then the final ending of that series of missions is what actually influences the story.
Alex-14th november 2014