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Just say your opinion. Maric had many lovers of human and elven race. He made his children suffer because of this. There is no reason to like him excluding liberation of Ferelden. He's a political hero, but a social bastard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:59, April 24, 2012

Here, here. I agree, regardless of what he did to help his country; his family should've come first. Being a hero or even just a nice guy doesn't excuse the kind of stuff he did. I'm not saying he wasn't nice, alright, (so all you Stolen Throne/ Calling lovers can shut it) but even heroes can be complete sons of b**ches. Just sayin' EzzyD (talk) 19:46, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Clearly these are opinions of those who haven't read the books. Read the books, educate yourselves in that knowledge and then come back with an opinion that actually has thought, knowledge, and reason instead of baseless opinion based off of ignorance.--Vincent Cousland (talk) 20:09, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Vincent, the top of this forum clearly states to voice your opinion. I voiced mine, that's all. Cheers EzzyD (talk) 20:13, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

@EzzyD: The only women that we know of that he had interactions with other than Rowan were Katriel and Fiona. At least, they are the only canonical ones. As for the speculation concerning Alistair's birth; well there are other threads for that. For all we REALLY know is that Katriel was his lover during the rebellion, he killed her in cold blood. Then he married Rowan after the rebellion and had Cailan. Rowan then died and nearly two years later, he met Fiona where they eventually made love in the Deep Roads. She ended up having a baby boy who may or may not have been Alistair. So techinically he only cheated once, therefore discreditng your statement.--Sjelen Kain (talk) 20:51, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then, so now we've established that my opinion is worthless then? Alright, if my opinion doesn't matter then I'm sure there's no harm in my saying what I'm going to say, no? His (Maric's) responsibility is to his family; ALL of his family. He knew that he had a son other than Cailan (according to the novel The Calling) yet still refused to raise him. It's simply my view that he phylandered, had a son and then didn't do his duty of raising that child. That's all I'm going to say. EzzyD (talk) 20:58, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Presumably he would have had he not had another, some would argue bigger reasoniblity. All of Fereldan. It's not uncommon for a king to have bastards, it is uncommmon to raise them openly. He also made sure that Duncan a trusted friend would look out for the child. I'm not saying your opinion is invalid or worhtless, I'm just pointing out facts that you may have missed. If your opinion changes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.CrowInvictus (talk) 00:29, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Actually I *did* read the books and completely failed to see the appeal of Maric as a character. While the books do harp on and on about his great charisma, leadership qualities, and general "nice guy" creds, his actual behavior failed to make that description ring true for me. Since for me it is a character's actions that matter, and not the author's fanboying over the character through various mouthpieces, I didn't like him. He's basically a mildly altered version of Alistair, and annoyed me just as much. Speaking of Alistair, far more so than Katriel and by extension Rowan, his treatment of his son just pissed me off. Yes, keeping potential competition for the throne safely tucked away, preferably in the Chantry, is a normal thing to do (see Sebastian). But a stable boy? Really? Kestrella (talk) 20:59, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

@EzzyD: Just because I presented facts that goes against your thoughts of Maric doesn't mean that you're opinion is worthless. Please don't put words in my mouth. And with not raising the illegitimate son, Fiona told him that she wanted her son to have a normal life, not one of royalty, not one of slavery. Just a normal life. Then again, that didn't end too well did it? I like Maric, but I do agree with you on some points. Maric should have raised his illegitimate son, he should have been a better father to Cailan. --Sjelen Kain (talk) 21:03, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, being from country whos greatest medieval king was just like Maric, I'd say i think hes awesome. Ofc, both Maric and my medieval king fucked up their families. Guess you can't go around creating bastards and take care of all of them AND the kingdom as well. Or maybe the latter caused the prior. Who knows.

All I know is that they both were great leaders and good men. Cheating was common back in those times. The fact that he cheated his wife doesn't mean he was an asshole. He just had a flaw. I say better to blow his steam by sleeping with women than by torturing prisoners or worse.So what, he broke a few women hearts. Better than to break their legs. Nobody's perfect. It's the little things that count.--Markurion (talk) 21:22, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nice guys can have flaws and bad guys can have virtues. Maric may seem to be a charming and likable leader, but that doesn't exclude him from ALSO being an incorrigible lout. "People are not simple." Son Goharotto (talk) 21:27, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Maric may or may not have been a womaniser, but I just don't like the guy. Not only is his penchant for elven females a tad creepy, having sex in the middle of Deep Roads while others are sleeping is just disrespectful in my mind. If he had the energy to spend in procreation, perhaps he could have... oh, I don't know... STOOD GUARD.

He seems to be the spearhead type, the kind that looks pretty as a king, but Loghain was the dude who took back Ferelden from Orlais, not Maric. Loghain probably could have found another spearhead so that he could be the mastermind, but Maric would not have been able to do anything but flounder without Loghain. Makes me wonder why Maric then has the temerity to sneak out from the back door when Loghain's concerned for safety. Is this some trend amongst Fereldan kings, to sneak out the back door and go have adventure, never mind that being killed in the back alley of Antiva/Rivain/what have you would plunge the country into war? How irresponsible. -Gabriellesig 21:33, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

"spearhead type?" In the womanizer thread...LOL....dying here on that one. Made an otherwise crappy day, bearable. Thanks... The Grey Unknown (talk) 22:14, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
LOL, no problem, always glad to help. But methinks you give Maric's endowment a bit too much credit... :P -Gabriellesig 22:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why Maric is under fire for boning girls. As far as I can tell, he was never unfaithful to anyone, unless you consider sleeping with Fiona unfaithful. As for Alistair, if you remember, Maric was up and ready to acknowledge him and raise him as a second son. It was only because Loghain convinced him otherwise that he didn't. As for winning the war, Loghain was certainly the brains by the operation, but he couldn't have won without Maric. Maric was a symbol to rally behind, and was charismatic enough to unite the disparate elements of Ferelden into a rebellion. While I like Loghain, his style of leadership would not have won him any friends. Further, I honestly don't understand why you're all harping on Maric for how he dealt with his family. Many political leaders had shit family lives. MLK jr. is widely considered a great man, but he got a butt-ton of tail while he was out campaigning for equality. The fact that Maric made mistakes simply makes him human, not a social bastard. Rathian Warrior (talk) 00:21, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Don't care if he boned the entire alienage as long as they were willing, but I'd be pissed if I just came out of a battle, dead tired, had to stand watch while Maric diddled someone. "Yo, king boy, why don't you stand watch? I can really use a NAP." -Gabriellesig 00:25, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Maric never raped anyone. And Loghain was boning Rowan at the same time Maric and Fiona were getting it on. Rathian Warrior (talk) 00:28, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to rephrase that one. Fiona was in the Calling. Rowan was dead at the time. (Unless you're referring to the Fade dream).--Madasamadthing (talk) 00:57, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Possibly he just mixed up Katriel and Fiona, which is when Loghain and Rowan were hooking up at the same time Katriel and Maric were. Tommyspa (talk) 01:22, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
How did this conversation turn into a discussion about rape? Baffling. -Gabriellesig 01:26, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't Goldanna accuse Maric of raping her mother or something relevant. Tommyspa (talk) 01:32, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, mixed up Fiona and Katriel. And I saw no problem with either, just to clarify. As for how it turned to rape: " Don't care if he boned the entire alienage as long as they were willing" Not so baffling really Rathian Warrior (talk) 01:57, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I never meant that line to mean rape, Rathian. Just because someone says "I don't care if you shag Jane as long as she's willing, Joe" doesn't mean Jane is getting raped by Joe. -Gabriellesig 02:18, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
You can't really say "as long as she's willing" and it not imply unwilling sex which sorta is rape, poor judgment... tsk tsk. Tommyspa (talk) 03:02, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you can. Caveat does not imply anything, it's a caveat. "You can eat the biscuits, as long as you don't eat all of them" does not mean the kid will eat all the biscuits. -Gabriellesig 03:09, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Difference being that as long as she is willing is an actual phrase used by people exclusively referring to rape. The way it is used in common speech trumps a technical definition when talking to actual people in a casual setting. Tommyspa (talk) 03:17, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, everybody, stop talking about raping. Somebody's gonna lock this tread soon, lol.--Markurion (talk) 02:30, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

To me it seems that Maric can't really be considered a "womanizer", since we don't see him cheating (with the exception of one instance explained by Sjelen Kain above) or being with women just for sex. As for him being a bad father, one can make a case for that, looking at Cailin and Alistair, but some people just aren't cut out to be good parents, for a variety of reasons, though for Maric those reasons are as much political as they are his personal flaws (at least in regards to Alistair/whatever other bastard he might or might not have fathered). Does any of this make him a bad person? Not in my opinion. You can't expect anyone to be some kind of perfect moral paragon, no matter what great deeds they accomplish or how charismatic/skilled they are (I personally don't see him as being very charismatic or a great leader, just like I don't with Alistair, but that's beside the point). Everyone has flaws, some worse than others. Maric's, to me, don't really disqualify him as a "good guy" to me. --UrLeingod (talk) 03:29, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Given the way Maric was portrayed in the books, I don't think he falls into the category of womanizer. However, I think he is a clear example of bad writing. For some reason, Gaider decided to make him very much like Alistair, and it simply doesn't work. I found Alistair a psychologically plausible character because his sheltered upbringing, with virtually no power over his own life, could easily produce a submissive type unsure of himself and hiding behid "a veil of jocularity". With Maric, though, the formula of an unsure, incompetent teen doesn't work. On the very contrary, I believe that one born into the life of a rebel, constantly on the run, would be mature beyond his years and not develop the typical teenage issues, because there would be neither time nor space for that. While Alistair had no-one, Maric had a loving mother, and as the only future hope of the dynasty, he would grow up in the company of the best men Moira's side could offer, from whom he would learn and by whom he would be shaped.

What's worse, nowhere in the novels can be seen his development into the awesome Maric the Saviour. He does become more mature, and able to cope with his duties, but nowhere next to his supposed heroicness. An example of a totally screwed writing in this respect is his first public performance before the nobles whom he totally fails to convince and Loghain has to save the day. That's plain wrong storytelling - this should have been the moment when his natural brilliance and charisma stood out, or else he'd never be able to gather and maintain the support. Another such moment is leaving the decisive battle solely in Loghain's hands while Maric goes to perform his personal vendetta - wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. All in all, having read the books, I totally don't get it why everyone is supposed to be so smitten with Maric and why Loghain respects him so much.

- To give Gaider at least one credit, Loghain IS Loghain, and that very much so. It would really be a shame if Gaider couldn't write well the character he claims to like best, though I sure don't understand what's there to love about Loghain. Interesting, yes, but definitely not likeable. --Ygrain (talk) 05:59, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

My feelings exactly. I mean, my city elf could get people on her side more easily than Maric. 'That's just plain wrong. And I never understood Loghain's respect for him either, did Gaider even try to properly explain that in any of the books? Other characters fawning over Maric can be written off as a lack of perspective on the author's part (*I* like this character, obviously everyone else does too), but Gaider did a pretty decent job with Loghain overall. The discrepancy between Loghain's flagrant refusal to show respect to someone who hasn't earned it followed by him willingly bowing to Maric felt really jarring. Kestrella (talk) 18:03, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! I don't mind Maric's character. I don't see him as a womanizer, and I don't think he was wrong to let Alistair (if he was Fiona's child) go- since that was what his mother wanted for him- and she had pretty damn good reasons. However I do think he was a pretty terrible father to Cailan, at least during his younger years, and I never saw him become the big damn hero that history paints him as. That last part doesn't bother me though, history often distorts reality especially when looking at "heroes" (which is why Christopher Columbus was considered a heroic figure in America for so long, even though he was a huge tool). But I never understood why Loghain had so much respect for him!--Liam Sionnach (talk) 18:43, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

In reply to the various things mentioned above, I think most people in the series liked Maric because he fought for their freedom and because he was a super badass warrior who was highly skilled. He also descended from Calanhad. That's all the reasons they need to try and cover up his bad points. About him being a womanizer and cheater, I'm not clear on the timeline of events, but DA:O says he cheated on Rowan with some maid, and if Fiona came after that while Rowan was still alive then that makes two times he cheated on her. Unless the maid thing was just a cover story for doing it with an elven woman. But according to DA:O Rowan was alive when Alistair was a child. Loghain says Maric was ready to recognize Alistair (the right thing to do), but was convinced not to by Loghain and Eamon because they thought it would humiliate the Therin bloodline and reduce Rowan to a concubine. About Loghain and why anyone could like him, yes he committed a terrible atrocity, but given the chance he will redeem himself and volunteer to slay the archdemon and sacrifice himself for the good of his country and to help make up for all the wrong that he knows he had done. Believe it! (talk) 18:52, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Let's not have another "who likes Loghain" debate. That's for an entirely different thread. As for Maric, depending on how you interpret the information you are given, he could have cheated on Rowan once, or never. What is certain is that Fiona happened after Rowan was dead, because she was dead by the events of the Calling, and Katriel was not cheating on Rowan because Maric and Rowan weren't "together" at that point (being king, he could have finagled his way out of an arranged marriage). So all that is uncertain is Goldanna mom, but depending on what you believe that may not have happened at all. It is possible to assume that he had other dalliances outside of what we know from the books and games, but that is just assumption with no canonical base. And I still wonder at how people are knocking on Maric for boning women. I'd sure as hell bone an elf if I could, but that doesn't make me a bad person for doing so. Rathian Warrior (talk) 12:21, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

face it. Maric is Robb Stark wannabe.--Master-at-arms (talk) 16:23, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, since Fiona happened after Rowan, it wasn't cheating. But the maid did happen, which is how Alistair came to be and why Loghain and Eamon discouraged Maric from recognizing Alistair as his son. As for knocking Maric for being a womanizer, the point is that he lacked restraint when it came to the matter of love. He was engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage, which is immoral. I agree that he was a womanizer. He should not have been sleeping around like that. Even if you don't think marriage is the only thing that makes sex okay to have, then you still have to admit that a man and woman should at least know and love each other well enough first, right? I don't think Maric really knew any of the women well enough to have sex with them, except for Rowan. Believe it! (talk) 19:27, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. He lets his passions rule him, rather than his sense. I've heard the saying "he's thinking too much with his *little* head than his big head" :D While pre-/extra-marital sex is an odd issue, I think it's wise to mention such here. I'm also glad that someone else also agrees with the Maid-story for Alistair. Maybe I'm just an old soul for thinking that I shouldn't need a second media to explain a character's origins (excuse the pun) OTHER than the one we are provided with. On a seperate note, Maric's penchant for female elves is just strange, even Tolkien only did the whole Human-Elf thing once; and he did it tastefully, something I've yet to hear about Gaider's work with Maric. EzzyD (talk) 19:37, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree entirely. Even if I thought that sex outside of marriage was immoral, and I don't, or that people should always wait til they're in love to have it (again, I don't), that would still be an awful way to go about it for a monarch. A king's marriage has much more to do with politics than love, and it would be irresponsible for Maric to pursue a love match and try to turn it into marriage. As for not knowing the women well enough, you're probably right when it comes to Katriel, but he did love her. And he knew Rowan, knew her well enough to realize she loved his best friend Loghain, but married him for political reasons- seems like a pretty healthy basis to a relationship, right? But at least they were married. Did Maric and Fiona love each other? No, but they did care for one another, it was not just a random hookup, and Maric expresses that he would have liked it to become more. And by the way, he wasn't "sleeping around". He was with three women over a matter of roughly ten years, and the previous women were dead before he moved on. Not what most folk would call promiscuous behavior. And he probably should have been sleeping around, having illegitimate children is not necessarily a bad thing, especially for a family that is well known for not being particularly fruitful.
Let's see...what else...Oh yeah, what's wrong with Maric having a thing for elves? Origins Elves were hot. And except for being elves and from Orlais, Katriel and Fiona really weren't very much alike. And for the record, Tolkien did the human-elf relationship story a number of times, but it only obviously happens once in Lord of the Rings, between Arwen and Aragorn. But Elrond is known as Elrond Half-Elven. He had a brother Elros, and they were given the choice between Elven or Human existences. Weirdly, Elros' family became kings of men, the last descendant of which was *drumroll* Aragorn son of Arathorn. I think there might have been a few other instances of elf-human loving in the Silmarillion as well, but I can't remember them off hand.
And finally, I don't see anything wrong with Gaider expanding or changing Alistair, or any other non-protagonist character, in a separate medium. I think it's a good thing actually, we get to see more of the characters, and the world, without adding unnecessary stuff to the games. I mean, did we really need all of those weak cameos in DA2? Wouldn't it be worse if they tried to shoehorn large bits of character backstory in there too? The games should be a fairly tight experience, writing-wise, we don't really need super in depth back stories for all of the companions.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 20:17, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
We have no idea who Maric was diddling. He might have been one of those people who'd say "maids don't count". I've seen it happen.
As for the elves obsession... I find it a tad creepy, because elves are already sexualised in the game. His repetitive elven lovers made him appear to me as if he was this old sleazebag with penchant for delicate maidens. In Middle-Earth, elves were beautiful, but they weren't sexual objects. In Thedas, they clearly are. Creepy. -Gabriellesig 20:19, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

There looks to be actually two prongs to the original post – Maric’s sexual proclivities and his treatment of his children. I've read "The Stolen Throne" and "The Calling", and played DAO, DAA, and DA2, and nowhere in them did I get the impression that Maric was a womanizer - A lucky, good-hearted bumbler, yes – a suave, confident 'ladies man', no. Maric appears to have loved three, strong women – Katriel (during his betrothal), Rowan (during his marriage), and Fiona (during his widowerhood). ‘Maric the Saviour’ seems to suffer under the same exaggeration as ‘Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall’ in that the individual whose name got slapped on the ‘Can o’ Legend’ really was no more than an ordinary person with extraordinary friends. In this case, ‘Maric the Saviour’ was clearly Maric the Calenhad Face, Rowan the Dutiful Heart, and Loghain the Tactical Brains. None of these three people were perfect – far from it. They all had virtues and they all had faults, but excessively ‘sleeping-around’ does not appear to be among their collective flaws. (Questionable authorship aside.) As for Maric’s children, it is possible that Cailan reminded him too much of Rowan and he needed time away from everything to deal with his grief over her death. Cailan wasn’t abandoned, but left in the care of his father’s oldest ally, while Maric went walkabout. When he finally returned to Denerim, Maric appeared ready to appreciate his first son and all set to acknowledge the second when he arrived. It was Fiona that denied his offer, due to her desire for their son to be free to live his own life, unburdened by a heritage of nobility or elven blood, and Maric acquiesced to Fiona’s wish. That was clearly a hard decision for both of them, but was probably made fractionally easier once they had Duncan’s reassurance he would keep an eye on the lad - whether or not that baby was Alistair and the veracity of his ‘family history’ are for another thread. (I like to think he was Maric and Fiona’s baby, since that seems the most plausible – and ironically simplistic - origin for him.) I guess that was my long, rambling way of voting, ‘no, Maric wasn’t a womanizer’. =) Shenachie (talk) 21:30, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

If Alistair was indeed Fiona's, her requests regarding him weren't honored. He was not free to live his own life under Eamon's thumb, and he was burdened by his heritage because it wasn't kept secret from him. Instead he way told that "Oh, by the way, you're the king's bastard. Don't ever think that means anything besides the fact that your very existence is a dirty secret, just know that you need to stay out of the spotlight at all costs." Alistair's childhood left him a submissive, meek and insecure character to be stuffed away in the stables (and later the Chantry). Yet still available to serve as a puppet-king under Eamon's control should something happen to Cailan. Which is exactly what Eamon attempts in Origins. Either way it's a douchy thing to do to a kid, and if he is Fiona's son that just adds one more offensive aspect to it.
I'd just like it noted that this is *not* why I dislike King Maric. It's reason enough to dislike him as a person, sure, but it's not relevant to his role as king. I dislike him as a leader and ruler because, as Ygrain pointed out above, his angsty insecure teenager schtick does not fit his upbringing. Nor does he say or do anything to commend himself to Loghain, yet he still gains Loghain's absolute loyalty.
The way the character is presented and the way he actually behaves don't match up. I don't just mean the romanticized historical version of Maric as shown in Origins. I mean the character constantly being described in the books as a charismatic, natural leader capable of inspiring speeches. I found none of those qualities in Maric's actions and even his words of encouragement to close friends fell flat. If Loghain had approached it with his usual cold calculation and merely deemed Maric a suitable public face for his strategic intelligence it would've worked much better for me. I still wouldn't have liked Maric, but at least their relationship would make sense. As it is I felt like Maric was secretly an awesome person in ways I, the reader, wasn't privy to. Kestrella (talk) 22:50, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Clearing a few things up here. Even if Maric do Goldanna's mom, there is nothing saying it happened while he was married to Rowan. It could have easily happened afterwards, which would still make him not a cheater, even if Alistair was the son of someone other than Fiona. On top of that, I really don't see how having sex outside of marriage is immoral, or makes someone driven by his dick. And on top of that, I don't see liking elves as any different than liking a person really. They're just slightly slimmer versions of us, with pointy ears. How is it creepy to be attracted to them? Rathian Warrior (talk) 00:07, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

To sum things up, Maric lacked restraint. He should not have been sleeping around like he did, and I think it's pretty clear according to the game that he slept with the maid, mother of Goldanna and Alistair. This encounter could have possibly been forced by Maric on the maid. Like father like sons, as Cailin was the same way and while Alistair is a virgin when you meet him it's only because he thinks he will die young. In the case of a female Warden he will do the nasty. And though an unhardened Alistair will break up with a female Warden in order to honor Anora, he will also do the nasty with Morrigan if you talk him into it, which is technically dishonoring Anora. And of course a hardened Alistair will keep a female Warden as a mistress. So yeah, Maric is such a horndog that it transfers to his sons. Maric was the king, and a king needs to know how to act. He needs to be honorable and represent his nation well. Believe it! (talk) 19:42, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'll start out by saying I'm not a huge fan of Maric. I don't really understand why he's considered such a huge hero. And I'll agree that he lacked restraint (in the Deep Roads, really?). But remember codex entries from the game only display what is commonly believed in the game not what is actually true. And honestly Maric just didn't seem the type to sleep around or be a "horndog" - we can only definitely say he's been with 3 women (Katriel, Rowan, Fiona). The encounter with Goldanna's mother may or may not have happened. Given that Fiona might be Alistair's mother then it's entirely possible they just used Goldanna's mother as a cover and Maric never actually touched her. Goldanna couldn't have been all that old when her mother died and they could have told her anything they wanted. Yes, Alistair will sleep with - excuse me, "do the nasty" with - a female Warden but he won't if you approach him too early which is hardly "horndog" behavior. I'll agree it was implied that Cailan slept around. I'm actually inclined to believe Anora on this point. Not sure how sleeping with Morrigan dishonors Anora though. If Anora and Alistair rule jointly then an agreement was reached that they marry but when Alistair does the DR he's not married to Anora yet. If talked into it (and hardened) he will keep a female Warden as a mistress but it's never implied that he goes sleeping around with a bunch of other women as well. (talk) 13:33, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps we should simply let this thread go the way of "Duncan's Murderer" and die in obscurity? Maybe? Please? EzzyD (talk) 13:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Let's just agree that there is evidence for both sides and that we'll probably never know for certain, then be done with it. Rathian Warrior (talk) 13:56, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I say lets post some Maric jokes! I'll start us off.

Maric was such a horndog that his armor came with a detachable codpiece for easy access!

Maric's so horny he makes Oghren look like the revered mother!

I'll bet Maric could even get Anora pregnant!

Maric has more bastards than a Broodmother! Believe it! (talk) 19:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but those jokes are as funny as coal is white. Meaning not funny at all. (talk) 18:56, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Does this trend of dead threads necromancy have any specific purpose? Because I sure don't see it. --Ygrain (talk) 08:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I hope in DA:UWS he'll survive and finally tell Alistair that he's Fiona's son or he has another long lost brother (I hope the letter is correct, I don't believe Alistair is Fiona's son and no mere speculation will change my mind). (talk) 16:18, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

3(4) women are enough for a man to be a womanizer.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 07:42, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

First, SPOILERS!!!!

Considering that I've read the books, no Maric isn't a wowanizer. Maric loved Katriel, but killed her. He Married Rowan because duty made him. He fell in love with Fiona because they shared pain. It's pretty obvious that Fiona is Alistair's mother so we can ignore talk of Maric putting himself on a random maid. --Jamirflyd (talk) 22:13, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

No Maric is not a womanizer. As already been said, he fell in love with three women all in different periods of his life, and was faithful to all of them during the time of their tryst. No Maric isn't some callous corrupt politician. People like him the same reason they like Hardened Alistair: He's relatively just, he cares about the welfare of his friends and people, and when he tries, he is an effective politician and will try to institutionalize good social change despite the the corrupt, nihilistic norms of a crapsack world like Thedas.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 10:36, December 15, 2013 (UTC))

Nobody think Maric is a corrupt politician, in the opening it's said that he's a national hero.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 10:43, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
If you scroll down to the arguments, you see people arguing he's a "social bastard" because of: 1.He's a callous heartbreaking lech which is not true. 2.He cares more about his relationships than the welfare of his people which is not true. 3. The he was an abusive neglectful father which could be argued but abusive no. Neglectful maybe, but it's more complicated because his responsibilities limited him so. Not because he wanted it that way.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 11:10, December 15, 2013 (UTC))

@Sports72Xtrm I totally agree with you. I have no idea why some people are acting like Maric was this terrible person. If we want to talk about someone who did horrible things we can look to Loghain, but I digress. I also don't understand some of the hate for Alistair. Hardened, Alistair is an amazing king. When hardened he actually reminds me of Maric. He'll learn what it means to not only lead, but to govern and becomes very good at it despite how he acts. Alistair like Maric is far smarter than they give off and to me both become great kings. --Jamirflyd (talk) 21:17, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

In Gaider's comic series King Alistair left Ferelden to look after ghost, I mean Maric. He had personal royal spies and investigators, he had chance to send them to Antiva, but he didn't use it, he came there personaly instead. What king abandons his kingdom because of rumors? It's Gaider's canon, so his favorite character puts Eamon temporary in charge, in other case it would be his wife Anora or the Warden.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 22:15, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


SPOILERS!!! (for those who haven't read the comics)

Alistair is hardly like Celene lol. I mean he's a warrior and has dragon's blood flowing in his veins, It's not so surprising that he would want to find his father himself. Also Alistair and the Warden start almost every main quest based on rumors remember? I guess in my personal canon he leaves Eamon and Anora temporarily in charge so Ferelden is safe in my mind. --Jamirflyd (talk) 22:24, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

I know too few about Celene to comapre her to anyone, but she'll be a major character in upcoming novel Dragon Age: The Masked Empire, then we'll know her better. Main quests weren't based on rumors except for Dalish, they had the treaties and knew where is Orzammar, Redcliffe and Circle Tower.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 22:35, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
(To FirstDrellSpectre) A king who is a normal human being, perhaps? I'd wonder what sort of person he was if he didn't personally follow up a rumour about his father. There are several pros to Alistair going: He has a chance of succeeding, meaning he can bring news of Maric, if not the man himself, back to Ferelden, which will boost his reputation amongst the people; he is very powerful (level-wise) and accustomed to adventure, and as a king, he has resources he can call on while abroad that spies and investigators can't. He didn't "abandon" his kingdom. He has trusted people he can leave to govern in his place. Kings in our own history (in Europe) fought and took risks. They didn't just sit in their castles. His leaving seems a reasonable act, to me. -Sophia (talk) 22:30, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Alistair leaving to go find Maric is always an excuse for people to hate on him. You made all the best points Sophia. Do people actually think because Alistair left that Fereldan is in chaos because their King is gone? Also, I don't think Eamon is in charge of Fereldan while Alistair is gone. For whatever reason, when Alistair gets captured by Claudio, he tells Isabela to tell "Arl Teagan" what happened. I don't understand, but lately the DA series after Origins has mentioned nothing of Eamon and has called Teagan and Arl. Wonder what happened to Eamon.-- (talk) 22:47, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re Eamon, I think an answer may lie in the Epilogue. In the case where both Connor and Isolde live, he will tell the Hero during the post-coronation ceremony that he may yet leave the land to Teagan. If Alistair is king and the Hero does not choose to become the Chancellor, Eamon will remain in Denerim to help him, leaving Teagan to rule Redcliffe for the time being. (You can see the possibilities here; I've been working on the updating the epilogue page.) Perhaps Gaider took one of these possibilities as his canon? -Sophia (talk) 22:54, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

@Spectre I can't wait for the book! But I just was poking fun at Orlais being France and Ferelden being England and how Alistair is a great warrior while Celene is a great politician (can't imagine her going out and personally fighting). When I said based on rumor, I meant that you can hear rumors of what is going on in all those places. In Lothering you can hear from gossips and that Templar that something wrong is happening at the Circle Tower while at the Frostback Mountains you can hear that the Orzammar is having a Civil War.

@174.... Eamon becomes Chancellor of Ferelden while Teagan becomes the new Arl of Redcliffe if you are talking about Biowares canon or a canon where Alistair is made sole king or with Anora and the Warden does NOT ask to serve the crown (in which case they become chancellor). --Jamirflyd (talk) 22:59, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Torm's mercy... This is forum necromancy at its finest. I'd thought this topic had died eons ago when the titanic and godlike beings still walked this place. (sigh). Anyways, Gaider messed up when he wrote the history for Alistair, it has to be said. It seems more likely that he is in fact that maid's bastard son, given that concocting that whole "the baby was dead" story to fool Goldanna seems like strange effort. Maric may not have been a womanizer, but I would say that he was unfaithful. He flitted around with Katriel despite being betrothed to Rowan, and later he did not seem to honor Rowan's memory when he flitted around with Fiona. And do not even get me started on the whole Maric-Fiona romance, because that whole piece of the plot was just mind-boggling. EzzyD (talk) 00:49, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Gaider may have messed up the timeline with Alistair, but they seem to have run with the mistake, because Alistair's birth was one of the things they corrected for the timeline in World of Thedas (by which I mean Brother Genitivi's correction)- realigning it with The Calling once more. I disagree that it's more likely that Alistair is really the Maid's son, at this point, with all the coy hinting, I'd say it's more likely that he is Fiona's son (or that they're just trolling us with the mystery). As for Maric's character, I'll agree with you regarding how he treated Rowan in the Stolen Throne- that was crappy of him. But I don't see any reason why Maric's relationship with Fiona dishonored Rowan's memory. Was he never supposed to have romantic relationships again?--Liam Sionnach (talk) 20:50, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
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