Hey, Just wondered what you thought the least impactful origin is concerning the world not just Ferelden??
I can see why Human & Dwarf noble are world changing because they both re took power and reclaimed a lot of influence. ( Only if you put Bhelen on the throne) City elves get the least I think they get represented in Ferelden court sure and that's cool but its not going to have much impact outside Ferelden. Whereas the Dalish are granted the Hinterlands and I can see that affecting DA:I in a larger way.
I didn't forget Mage or Dwarven commoner either both of those get something that could affect more than themselves. Ferelden mages were given free reign of their circle for a while which opened up the discussion about how mages were being treated. Dwarf commoner can become a paragon which I know won't effect much outside Orzammar but it transforms their family into near royalty which is a bit more than just being represented in court just my opinion.
What I mean by all this rambling is which origin do you think will have the least impact DA:I onwards ?? Kyz99 (talk) 19:15, October 13, 2014 (UTC)Kyz99
The human noble because the aftermath isn't changed if you have that origin (unless you count the ability to become king or queen, something that isn't part of the origin, strictly speaking), the Grey Wardens are granted Highever anyway. The dwarves improve the relationship between Orzammar and Ferelden (helping Orzammar by the way although this can be negated by bad choices during the "A Paragon of her kind" questline) and the dwarf commoner also helps prove that not all casteless are worthless. The dalish give their people new, elven, lands and the city elf give elves a say in the governance. Only the mage rivals the noble in non-impact because the mage-Templar war would make all changes in how the circle is ruled worthless. Caspoi (talk) 20:14, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- I disagree. First, if we're talking just the Origin story, then I think the Human Noble Origin is very eventful. An extra Cousland Noble survives along with Duncan to tell the King the tale of what happened, and the noble can take certain measures that prevent Howe from usurping the Teyrnir (the codex entry is different for a human noble). Also, Dog lives. Nuff said. If we're including the ending, which the OP seems to be doing, then yes, becoming a monarch is the biggest deal possible. Yes the Wardens get Amaranthine (which I think is what you meant to write, not Highever), but that's just more proof that the Human Noble Origin is the most eventful. You can waste your boon on that, or choose something else and get that anyway. For example, Gwaren. So that puts the Couslands in Highever, Denerim, Gwaren, and Amaranthine. Which is basically like getting Boardwalk, Park Place, Baltic Ave, and Mediterranean Ave. in Monopoly and building some hotels on them. It's also possible that a male human noble who marries Anora has her retain Gwaren, though it isn't clear if this is the case or not.
- Also, if you're going to have future events negate the mage's outcome, then the same applies to the dwarves. The Inquisition will be able to form an alliance with Orzammar. So that negates any Dwarven Origin action of opening Orzammar up to the surface. Believe it! (talk) 22:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- I am afraid I disagree with you on many points:
- As The king himself dies the fact that a Cousland lived to tell the tale matters little, it will all continue and end the same way: with the grey wardens getting Amaranthine. "Dog" survives either way one could say (one dog for another). I meant with not including the monarch (yes I agree that it should have great effect) that it isn't strictly tied to the origin, more that the origin is one of the requirements (of which I see a difference). Getting Gwaren is possible for all origins so it should not count here, Amaranthine belongs to the grey wardens technically and Denerim does not "belong" to the Couslands unless you mean so by becoming king and as I said above such a thing should not count (We should not assume that you get Gwaren if you're king).
- I am afraid I disagree with you even more. Yes, Cailan dies, but he is able to at least call for Howe's execution this way. In any other origin he is not informed of Howe's actions. This legally justifies the Hero's actions against Howe, and legally prohibits Howe's ascension. This also allows the Teyrnir to legally pass to the human noble. The ends may be the same, but the means is far different.
- No no, both Dogs can survive with the human noble origin; the Cousland's Dog, and the Ostagar Dog.
- I don't understand disconnecting the monarch option from the origin. It's the only origin with that option, just as a mage is the only one who can win independence for the Circle.
- Getting Gwaren is possible for all origins, but it isn't the same for them as it is for a human noble. An elf or dwarf is likely to be ignored by the nobility, or the land is used for them, not necessarily the title. A human noble is far different. They can become the Teyrn of Gwaren, an official noble with a place in the Landsmeet. Also add to this the fact that Fergus becomes Teyrn of Highever. That puts two Teyrnirs under Cousland rule, and if the human noble is male and King, it puts Denerim under Cousland rule as well. The Hero then becomes Commander of the Grey, making him Arl of Amaranthine. Yes, it belongs to the Grey Wardens, but the male human noble can become the leader of the Wardens in Ferelden. So it is effectively his Arling. He rules the court, and he gets the revenue.
- The assumption would be that a male human noble rules over Gwaren through Anora even if he does not ask for title and riches as a boon. I don't think that's too much of a stretch, but I admit there is no way to confirm this for certain. I think the fact Anora can give Gwaren up means she either has inheritance rights over it through law, or has legal authority over its vacancy as a monarch. I'm guessing the later option, seeing as how her father legally lost it for high treason. In which case, the same authority applies to the male human noble. Believe it! (talk) 00:15, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Also, the point about the Inquisition is that they open Orzammar up to the surface, not just Ferelden. The possible epilogue is that Orzammar closes itself off to the entire surface, not just Ferelden. And they can open themselves up to the entire surface, not just Ferelden. So the point is valid. Plus, Awakening may change the outcome of that epilogue. Discovering Kal'Hirol and reclaiming it causes the King of Orzammar to throw a feast and invite the Warden-Commander, which could lead to further deals. Believe it! (talk) 00:23, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
Has the boon been added to the keep yet? If not, you can't ask for elven lands as Dalish, or human help as Dwarf, or anything for that matter. At least, that decision won't make it into DA:I. But, to remain on topic; I think the dwarven origins have to most impact. If you can indeed ask for human help reclaiming the deep, the combined strength of human and dwarven armies push the darkspawn back as far as the Dead Trenches (according to the epilogue). Dalish will be a close second, not for Thedas, but for DA:I. After all, a portion of DA:I will be in the Hinterlands. This should be Dalish land if you ask for that boon. Female human noble married to king Alistair will probably be mentioned, but not more then that. City elf and Magi are probably the least important, neither really impact Ferelden in such a big manner, let alone Thedas. --M. Shields (talk) 20:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- I personally think that city elves will have quite a large impact, for Fereldan if not for Thedas. Caspoi (talk) 21:52, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- That's a good suggestion. I will make it on your behalf in the Keep Feedback section. Believe it! (talk) 22:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
As for the least eventful Origin, if we're just talking about the Origin, then I would say the Dwarf Commoner. Nothing makes a difference either way if the commoner lives or dies. The dwarf noble's fate affects the entire plot of Orzammar. And there is some side story involving a child the noble can possibly have, I think. Not sure, since I haven't played it. I also think the City Elf Origin is important. It can determine if Vaughn Kennels lives or dies, thus affecting the politics of Denerim, at least temporarily. I think it also determines some other city elf's fate. I guess the Mage Origin is eventful, in that it causes Jowan to escape, thus leading to what happens in Redcliffe. What happens at Highever also shows the Human Origin is eventful. The Dalish Origin is uneventful. Again, live or die, the Dalish Elf doesn't really matter. Just another elf. But this does play some role in Witch Hunt, in that it's referenced.
Regarding the rest of the game though, things change a little. Human Noble is more important because of the option to rule. I'd say the Dwarf Commoner again, since anything that changes is localized to Orzammar. Believe it! (talk) 22:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
The Magi and Dalish boons were retconned. The Chantry never liberated the Fereldan Circle. The Hinterlands boon was vetoed by the Landsmeet. ----00:39, October 15, 2014 (UTC)