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Do you think something is in the black city? Dwelling there? Or do you think it holds no significance whatsoever, and was a chantry lie. I don't know what to think. I think the veil tears could somehow be linked to the black city. Lazare326 (talk) 21:04, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Chantry was correct that magisters entered the city and they became the 1st darkspawn. I guess in the city are demons more powerful than pride demons like dispair demons, feared by the demons we know.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:11, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
How do you know that the chantry was correct. I thought you thought that religion is a figment of imagination. There could be in that interpretation many other reasons could there not be? Lazare326 (talk) 21:17, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
- ---> WARNING, SPOILER ALTER FOR LEGACY <----
- Below you will see how Drell knows. Mind the spoiler notice and stop reading if you haven't played legacy and plan to at some point. Otherwise...
- Corypheus. Corypheus flat out declares he went into the black city. He states says "it was supposed to be golden" and the they were deceived. He says that the city was already black when they got there, although I suppose it could be interpreted that they instantaneously corrupted the city and completely transformed it once they entered. Either way, the Chantry is right that an unknown number of Tevinter magisters entered the Fade physically and somehow accessed the golden/black city. They are also right about the fact that these magisters became darkspawn and returned with the taint, since that's exactly what Corypheus is: a humanoid darkspawn not birthed from a broodmother, one of the original darkspawn.
- My theory is this:
- - There never was a golden city, it was always black.
- - The black city is the ultimate source of the taint.
- - Dumat (and possibly the other Old Gods) tricked Corypheus & friends into becoming tainted so that they could be freed from their prisons.
- - Dumat (and possibly the other Old Gods, excluding Urthemiel if the DR is performed) 'lives on' within the taint.
- - The black city itself is the Old Gods' "portion" of the fade. Sleeping Old Gods' minds are 'in' the black city.
- - By bringing a part of the black city (the taint) into Thedas, Dumat (and possibly the other Old Gods) is trying to take over the mind of every lifeform on Thedas by tainting it. Blights' are the archdemons' attempt to spread the taint as far and as efficiently as possible.
- I believe Dumat still exists in some form because Corypheus calls on him for power in battle and appears to become more powerful as a result. Also, there's a ritual to Dumat that can be completed during a sidequest. I suppose Corypheus could just be summoning power more from within himself, and the cries to Dumat are a sort of mnemonic trick he uses to casts his spells. The ritual could also be due to some residual power in the artifacts, and not directly caused by Dumat. I don't think that Dumat is still sleeping underground somewhere in his high dragon form. I think he either became an OGB somehow or simply exists as a mental presence within the taint and lacks an actual body.
- The reason I think that the black city is the Old Gods' part of the fade is because the Mother tried to get the First to hear the Call by sending him into the fade. Yes, she was nuts but in that instance her actions make sense if we assume that the black city is the Old Gods' part of the fade.
- The black city is separated from all other parts of the fade. This is very strange, since everything else in the fade is impermanent and subjective. The Old Gods' minds are presumably wholly unlike normal minds, so it makes sense that their part of the fade would be different. It could also be that when the Old Gods were imprisoned their minds became stuck in the fade, and the black city itself is the minds of the Old Gods. Though the difference between the two scenarios is really just semantics.
- Anyway, yes I believe the black city contains something very important to the entire series. And sorry for the long post. This is my favorite topic. Silver Warden (talk) 03:58, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
- I on other hand am sure Dumat is dead, he was killed by the wardens. Corypheus called Dumat, but the answer was nothing but silence. If deity doesn't answer on praying of its humble followers, that means it doesn't exist. The altar of Dumant was possessed by demons, who pretended him. If you profanate the altar demons appear.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 08:07, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
- But he does answer in a sense. Corypheus gets more powerful during the battle as he calls for aid from Dumat. That doesn't mean that's necessarily why Corypheus becomes more powerful (as I explained above), but praying to a god for help and then seemingly getting help could easily be an answer. As for the altar, I know that preforming the ritual incorrectly summons demons. But if the ritual is preformed correctly, Hawke gets gold and an amulet. Why would the demons do that? That's not a rhetorical question, the demons could have any number of reasons for wanting Hawke to preform the ritual, but there is also the possibility that Dumat rewards Hawke if the ritual is done correctly and punishes him if the altar is defiled. Silver Warden (talk) 17:27, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
There's a lot of concept art showing off the black city, brilliantly done. I think we may venture into it in DAI, for all we know the veil tears could be linked to something in it, or someone else who has a reason. Could the formless one be in the black city? Lazare326 (talk) 09:12, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
I think the prisons of the Old Gods aren't cages of rock, but the bodies of sleeping dragons, and that these powerful spirits tricked the magisters so that they could awake the dragons. The purpose of a Blight it may not be to destroy Thedas or to spread the Taint, but to make the dragons die. I don't know what to think about the grey wardens and the fact that an archdemon just keeps reincarnate in a darkspawn, but it could be part of the curse. And we don't know what happens to sprirts if they die in the mortal world (as Justice says). Maybe Dumat and co. are still in that phase where their essence didn't reform in the Fade (like the daedra who wonder for a while in Oblivion before they come back to life). Or maybe they are awaiting the remaining two gods to come back in the Black City.--Damx (talk) 09:35, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
To be honest we don't have a clear answer who slew Dumat during the First Blight like in following Blights. The lack of this answer makes me wonder if he's alive in some form. VanDaen (talk) 15:50, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
- A lot of magical enemy is required to enter the city. We saw ruins of Arlathan in concept arts, Black city isn't Arlathan. City was never alive to be revived, only bricks and cement. What would be a point of sending whole city to different dimension? First mentions of the golden city are as old as the Imperium, which was found before fall of Arlathan.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 17:40, May 4, 2014 (UTC)