Forum:Is someone manipulating the events in DAI?

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In DAI or let's say in Thedas right now, there's a lot going on. The Veil Tears, Mages vs Templars and the civil war to name a few. Do you think a single person is/has been manipulating events to bring something worse? Is something worse awaiting Thedas? But in other words, everything since DAO seems to be artificial, weirdly enough, the Blight was kinda with the Architect, and then we have Hawke and the Warden vanishing. To what ends is all this happening? Is there a bigger picture? Could somebody be purposefully making these events, or almost be a puppet-master, tangling events to lead to an eventual road of destruction? Lazare326 (talk) 19:03, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

I thought that was the whole premise of DAI. --W.bodnaruk (talk) 19:33, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thats possible, there could indeed be 'one' person behind all the events currently going on, but I'm gearing more toward the opposite-- A bunch of different people, causing a bunch of different problems all at the same time, has created the perfect storm. At least thats what I'd like to believe. MarkVoided (talk) 19:55, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

I think people of Thedas are eager to fight enough that they don't need more reasons like manipulation to start fighting. Anders and Gaspard started their wars alone without being manipulated by anyone. But I think the Formless One is behind the Breach. It would make sense.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:13, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

The whole point of this manipulation would be that things are purposefully taken further. Just because they're eager to fight enough, doesn't mean that they will. There's always an excuse behind it, and that excuse has an instigator, and that instigator could be somebody(yes), something(s). Despite that, I agree that the formless one is behind it. I hope we learn more about the fade and black city in Dai. Lazare326 (talk) 20:29, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Who would have any profit from world nearly anihilated? Ruined, barren, lifeless, full of craters and holes. Who needs such world, where would be noone to rule. I don't believe the one responsible for that would be like Joker, who has no vision, no reason and no explanation for such senseless destruction. I don't want another Cerberus or another Unitologists from other titles of EA, meaning fanatical supporters of destroyers of the world/universe, it would be boring and repetetive of them.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:53, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Who said that destruction is at the end of it? Control could be. Anything else could be. And just because we don't see anyone not wanting the world to be annihilated, you should know that we shouldn't make sweeping generalisations like that. There could be someone who wants that. On the other hand somebody may be doing this to achieve another goal. A goal we don't know of. Btw, again i'd like to iterate, manipulation may involve someone being behind the tears to weaken nations cause more strife and thus lead conquests. Just one of the possibilities. Btw, Cerberus didn't want the destruction of the universe. Lazare326 (talk) 20:58, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cerberus supported the Reapers in destroying the universe. They didn't save humans, they turned them into monsters and staged wars, doing Reapers' dirty work. Cerberus to me were not humans, they were same to humans what were Collectors to Protheans. Cerberus should be classified as a separate race like the Collectors. But I went off topic far enough. Goal of the Manipulator is meaningless to me, no goal is worth of genocide of majority of continental population. I don't need to understand or listen to the Manipultor, death of that one is everything what's needed.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:08, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yes you were off topic. There was no need to bring in Cerberus before considering the fact that they were indoctrinated, thus can they truly be held for their actions? The Illusive man wanted to eventually control them for human-supremancy. On the other topic, i don't care if the goal of the manipulator is meaningless to you,t his forum was not directed to you especially. In fact, the whole point of the manipulator is the fact that you don't know about its plans essentially. Maybe you should re-read my responses at times. Lazare326 (talk) 21:15, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

I know I'm an anon, but I've though the same thing, but, I've thought it was Flemeth behind because she sent Morrigan with the Warden to make her stronger and then to get the child with the soul of a god. Then, in DA2, she makes a comeback referencing darker times are to come and she must find Morrigan before it is too late, which could reference her body dying or Morrigan preventing the events of DA:I. If you remember in Witch Hunt, when you find Morrigan she is talking bout how she doesn't have enough time to prevent something.

User:Anonymous --173.17.153.100 (talk) 21:57, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Flemeth does seem to want the "change that is coming to the world", so I would not be surprised if she was behind the Veil tears somehow. I'm not sure how she could have precisely manipulated events so that Andres would blow up the Chantry and Hawke would find the Idol and Meredith would ultimately also get and use the Idol. Olrais's civil war would just be icing on the cake after all that. I think it's more likely that she has some kind of prescient abilities and chose this particular point in history to create the veil tears because of the wars that would inevitably happen anyway. That would make her more of a chessmaster than a puppeteer, though in this case there's really no functional difference between the two. Silver Warden (talk) 04:16, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

I cannot say weather or not there is a puppet master behind the events in the game. But I can say for certain that Sandal should be the first person to go to for anything remotely resembling an answer. After all, he did speak of the veil tear in Dragon Age 2, and look what happened in Inquisition. GreyWolf84 (talk) 06:17, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Is it possible that she saw the Darkspawn as a quickening threat to her plans and wanted it finished quickly - that is if she is behind the veil tears- and thats why she saved the warden and Alistair? And was it she saved Hawke because she knew he'd have a part to play in the instigation of the MvT war, despite it being weird that even if he wasn't there, it probably would still have gotten out of hand. I dunno just a mere thought of mine. I personally don't think she's entirely behind it though.Lazare326 (talk) 16:10, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Sandal probably would know what is happening but just not understand it. Like what about the strange lady beside his bed? And I do agree with Silver Warden that if it was Flemeth, she would be behind the rift. But, if you remember she did save the Warden and her reason was that what could she do with a world ravaged by Darkspawn. So, I guarantee she is going to have some kind of involvement in Inquisition as she did with any other game, and that most likely Sandal will play a major role in finding out whose behind it. User:Anonymous--173.17.153.100 (talk) 16:02, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

I think Flemeth may be manipulating things. Let's face it, if she did not save the Warden or Hawke, the Blight may still be going on right now and there would be no Mage-Templar War. The actions of both The Warden and Hawke led to the Mage-Templar War, and in turn, The Breach. The only thing I can thing of is the possibility of deities actually being real and evil than what we are led to believe. Keep in mind, I have not read the Masked Empire. Supergodzilla118 (talk) Supergodzilla118 16:32, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

I suspect two things. One that Flemeth is behind the breach or two, that Flemeth is actually working against whoever created the breach. I don't think it's a coincidence that in the trailers, when we see the breach that there is a dragon shown right there with it. That Dragon could be Flemeth. Either way, Flemeth has to be involved in a major way. There is no way that she can be involved in some of the major events only to have a minor role in DA:I.--174.141.181.171 (talk) 18:25, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me that Flementh is acting against whoever opened the breach. The goal of the breach opener is to cause chaos, death, and war, but Flementh is trying to stop it, it seems. She saved the warden, who stopped the blight like no one else could have, thereby preventing it from spreading. She also saved Hawke, who resolves the situation in kirkwall faster than anyone else could have. Regardless of whether Hawke supports the mages or templars, Hawke has to kill harvester orsino and crazy red lyrium Meredith. Imagine if Hawke wasnt there, and those two battled it could have caused huge destruction in Kirkwall. So as crazy as it sounds I think Flementh is trying to prevent wars, in direct opposition to whoever this breach opener is. Drake72 (talk) 13:17, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, if Flemeth is the culprit, she hasn't been trying to save the world for the worlds sake, it's just a minor positive side effect. Like in DAO, it's considered canon that Morrigan had the god child, and according to in game dialogue that's why Felmeth recommended Morrigan in the first place was because of the ritual because She, Flemeth that is, wanted the child.If she helped Hawke another thing considered canon is the warden killed her. So she finds Hawke which she states can't ever decide if it's fate or chance and that the inevitable will be that Morrigan will betray her. But, Hawke is able to revive her without Morrigan or the warden knowing. Then Hawke also introduced the aspect of red lyrium and went onto be Champion of Kirkwall and assisting Merrill with the eleuvians and Ander's accelerating the Mage-Templar war. If how I know how Flemeth works,like with the warden, she wanted the Mage-Templar war to start. She is part demon also making her a likely candidate for the fade and if my theory is correct, she wanted the Mage-Templar war to start so that way with all the damage done with the discovery of red lyrium and the mages resorting to blood magic and using more magic then before, it would allow her to open a massive tear in the veil. --Whynot55396 (talk) 22:10, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Lord bless you (if you're a theist), but Morrigan's Dark Ritual and the Warden slaying Flemeth isn't canon. No matter how much you, or I, or anyone else wish it. I'm not sure if it's true, but I vaguely remember reading that about 66% of people that finished DA:O went through with the DR. Meaning 33% sacrificed The Warden/Alistair/Loghain. -- Soulofshezarr (talk) 22:16, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

What I meant was canon was the reason Flemeth sent Morrigans with the warden. But, I think we should stay on topic on this forum.--Whynot55396 (talk) 23:17, May 7, 2014 (UTC)