Because I certainly know that I am. For one, it looks cheesy as hell in way of simply appearance, for two; the words are probably not going to match the mouths at all due to the fact that this "movie" will probably be released in Japanese first. Is anyone else really dreading it? Is there anyone actually looking forward to it?--Sjelen Kain (talk) 13:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'm indeed looking forward to it. No, it's not going to be anything great. But I'm hardly dreading it, there's been a lot of bad movies through the years. A lot. Like... A lot. It can't be any worse than Batman and Robin or Dragon Ball Evolution.
Also, I fail to see the cheesiness, and I know cheesy considering my vast collection of b-horror movies, but whatever you say, person. OneDeadTemplar (talk) 14:09, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Dragon Age is composed mostly of cheese anyway, just look at the random quotes on the front page. It's all good, until it gives you a massive coronary and you die. Damn cheese.
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14:15, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not exactly dreading it but I'm not looking forward to it. I think it does look pretty crappy so far but I'm trying to be somewhat optimistic. Maybe the English version (if there is one) will change the music to something more appropriate. Maybe it won't be as bad as it looks and sounds. It might surprise us...but it probably won't.--Vampire Damian (talk) 15:33, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Has there EVER been a good video game movie? Aside from Prince of Persia, I can't think of any. I thoroughly enjoyed FF7: Advent Children, but it wasn't good, no, certainly not. That's how I'll feel about this too, I imagine. OneDeadTemplar (talk) 17:02, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, the English version is probably gonna suck, because they're mainly only doing it in Japanese. If they would have released their trailer in both the original language and in English, I might actually be able to get enthusiastic about it. I mean, is there even any information on a planned English translated version yet? As far as we know, it might not even come. Lemonaidz (talk) 17:20, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Don't really know much about or have read anything that might initially put me off so no. If I like it, I like it, if not... oh well. Don't much care if others consider it crappy, my opinion is what counts.Gaiden96 (talk) 17:39, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and Lemonaidz, there will be an English version for Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker, it will be done by FUNimation and will be released sometime later in 2012. So it IS coming, just not at the same time, for what should be obvious reasons.Gaiden96 (talk) 17:57, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well, it is kinda crappy. I mean, apart from the fact that it is anime, we are risking numerous lore inconsistencies (look at how many dragons are there at once), and turning Cassandra's promising character into another Mary Sue (look how effortlessly she's charging a freaking army by herself alone). A Japanese Mary Sue, which is even worse. -Algol- (talk) 18:17, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'm still trippin' about it being made in Japan of all places. I don't have a problem with Japan or anime, I enjoy it (mostly old stuffs). What I worry about is the confusion that the movie can suffer. Dragon Age was made in West for the Western culture, but now has a movie being produced in Japan. Anything that comes out of Japan is...well, very Japanese. Idioms, the tone, the animation, how characters react to certain situations. It's all very different from what Western audiences are used to it or can understand on a culturally level. And, from what I've seen, the Japanese are very consistent when it comes to their entertainment likes video games and anime; they all follow the same formula. Series like Tales of and Final Fantasy don't change much and will keep getting pushed out just to satisfy fans. Dragonball is a good anime example. The comic ran for over 10 years in Japan without changing. The author tried to, but due to popular demand, the series stayed the same. For 10 years. (That's a long ass time)
So what happens when you mix all of that stuff up?
Final Fantasy 13. Probably. Which was very Japanese with the character stereotypes and world conflict. But, trying to appeal to whatever Squareenix thinks appeals to Western taste made the game suffer. No interaction with the environment, no towns, and a simplified battle system that one can get through by just hitting X or whatever.
Sorry if that's all a little jumbled up there.--High Kicks (talk) 18:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know why I didn't really think about it before, but you're right.. Everything about Dragon Age past the Witch Hunt has gone very Japanese on us. I mean, my first playthrough of DA2 was as a two-handed warrior, and I swore I was playing Devil May Cry. I love Japanese stuff, though not to the point of being a weeaboo but the animeish style of DA2 and now this.. Whether this movie is good or bad is kind of irrelevant, it could have really bad implications for the future design of the Dragon Age franchise either way. Scary thought. OneDeadTemplar (talk) 20:08, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
I think another part of it (for me at least) is that it seems like the Japanese are just everywhere in video games and animation now so it's relieving to see anything in those areas that has nothing to do with it. Basically for lack of a better way of putting it, I'm Japan'ed out. If I wanted all my entertainment in Japanese I'd go to Japan. It's probably why the rogues were so powerful in DA2, might as well have just called them ninjas. --Vampire Damian (talk) 23:34, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Lol on the rouges, That's exactly how I felt when I played a rouge in DA2, I could have sworn I chose a ninja instead of a thief-like character! It's like every button you pressed as a rouge caused something outrageous; exploding enemies from backstabs, teleportation movement, jumping across the battlefield, it was fun of course, but as I said it felt more like playing some super ninja rather than a sneaky and tactical rouge. On the subject of Japanese presence in video games I understand what you mean, every game a long time ago seemed to be Japanese from Final Fantasy to Mario, so eventually I got kinda tired of it, well of JRPG's really because JRPG's seemed to dominate the RPG video game market at one point and like many games are Call of Duty clones now, it seemed like everything was a Final Fantasy VII clone back then. That is why games like The Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Baldur's Gate, The Witcher, Fallout, and Dragon Age were such a breath of fresh air for me, as someone who has played way more JRPG's than is healthy. 23:55, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, throwing the smoke bombs then running like hell spells ninja, too me. Damn those rogue ass ninja! But, like Vampire Damian said; I'm Japan'ed out, too. And, I was relieved as HELL when games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Mirror's Edge came out. I got a break from JRPGs that I was getting tired of playing and they weren't shooters. I hate Mirror's Edge didn't get a sequel. It was different, but a good game. --High Kicks (talk) 01:03, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I feel like I am the only one who doesn't care about the Japanese thing... Sure it can get over done, but really they are making a Mass Effect movie, possibly with Commander Shepard because they are too lazy to make you a story based away from that character. I doubt, I'll would likely watch the Dawn of the Seeker than the possible abomination of a film.
The only thing I don't like it that the film is 3D-fied, I prefer animes being 2D, they don't look right... --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 11:16, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm really into animation projects (just to clearify that is all major countries not just Japan). So I'm really looking forward to this because of the crew:
Director: Sori Fumihiko. His movies Vexille and TO should be available most places, but I know him mostly for Producing the first of the new Appleseed which was elegant.
Character Designer: Nakayama Daisuke. I know him for his awesome range of design between Gorillaz style Music Video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XMiUR4z_M, and the animation of Winter Sonata-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlw2ZIIKec.
Music: Takahashi Tetsuya. Who has been involved in the most recent Japanese/American crossover projects. Such as Halo Legends, Iron Man, X-Men, Wolverine, Blade, and Biohazard: Degeneration (A.K.A. Resident Evil: Degeneration).
I'm excited to see more of who's involved, it may not be a blockbuster, but they have a solid crew.Sir Fritz (talk) 11:24, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
@-Algol- What exactly is wrong with anime? It is a type of animation with various sub-sets to it. If you don't like it, fine. But don't say it's crappy when:
A) We have only seen a trailer which is usually meant to get people excited for a certain product (It's hype-making);
And B)It is simply a trailer. One of an animated feature we know next to nothing of. We have no knowledge of the story, characters or situations in the movie.
Quit jumping to conclusions.Gaiden96 (talk) 17:47, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Going to reply to Gauiden why I am dissapointed with this movie. Using his steps.
A) Trailer are made for hype-making correct? Well from what I've seen that has failed. The trailer from what I've seen was to show the 3d effect instead of the usual 2d. I haven't seen anyone congratulating that.
B) No knowledge of the story?? Google Dawn of the Seeker and you will get a short synposis. And from what I've seen in the trailer the Grey Wardens are next to useless if Cassandra can fight Golems, Ogres and Pride Demons like their fucking butter. And I mean really a Dragon? Bioware can't at least stick to lore?
Skyzod324 (talk) 18:54, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm actually kinda wondering if the dragons were being controlled by blood magic. The ogres could have been too for that matter. And all someone would need for the golems is a control rod. Also, technically I don't think it really showed Cassandra doing much of anything, just getting ready to do stuff. I'm not gonna watch the Japanese version but if the english version gets good reviews, then I might watch that one. I think one of the parts that bugs me the most is in the 'why anime?' video interview. They seemed to think that only the Japanese can make good animated movies, they kept insisting on how the movie HAD to be anime without giving a good reason why. If they continue down this path with future products they are going to alienate a large portion of their fanbase.--Vampire Damian (talk) 21:21, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. That's what they're doing, they're alienating the people who bought their original game. At least give us the chance to get excited over it by giving us an English version for the trailers. Lemonaidz (talk) 21:46, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
- They are not alienating anyone by appealing to another culture and another country by using their language in footage for their version of a film. The videos are on youtube, not everything on youtube has to be in english. Look at the titles themselves for the videos and the company that uploads them. Tommyspa (talk) 23:49, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm hoping it will be at least as good as Redemption. Gruedragon (talk) 01:07, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
@Skyzod324 Building hype in the sense of letting people know it's coming. It does not necessarily mean making people excited for it. And just because a feature isn't highly praised does not mean it has failed. Wait and see before you judge.
Also, since when does a synopsis explain the entire plot and premise of a product? Do you even know what synopsis means? It means to summarize briefly the major points of a given work. All we know is that Cassandra will be investigating a conspiracy involving the Chantry. That is far from enough to pass judgement on the final product. Perhaps you should be a bit more patient and wait eh?
Gaiden96 (talk) 01:34, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
As a personal thing, I find that most movies nowadays seem to unerringly tend towards being utter GARBAGE no matter how well or poorly they are hyped up, what they are based on or what the premise is with a few very rare exceptions. And no, I'm not a fan of Anime, so that is more than reason enough for me to have doubts about Dragime. So, a general hatred of movies and a particular dislike for anime leave me all but predispositioned to dread the arrival of Dragime. But, I am willing to give it a chance. Maybe ten, fifteen minutes before I decide whether or not it's worth my time. ----Isolationistmagi 03:54, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Skyzod324-To go along with Gaiden96, trailers are a marketing object to spread a the knowledge of product around, whether you like or hate it doesn't change their goal of getting the word out. What makes Grey Wardens so special? They drink blood to attract the soul of an archdemon/Old God, other than that, what? Even Hawke ("normal" person) took on those beasts. Really all you play in these games are exceptional individuals, which it appears that Cassandra is too.
Let me address why I think that it could only be done with Anime: 1.)This will be a complex story, and violent film, there is no American stuido that I am aware of that would take this project seriously without going completely over the top lossing the lore of Dragon Age completely. Lots of good integrity in Canadian animation, but I've never seen any large projects from there. 2.)Japanese animation is actually a strict process of rules on what defines the art. 3.)not to mention Eastern Asia is the only part of the world (IMO) that regularly puts out large quanties of animation intended for specific audiences and not just children or families, but also adults. 4.)For the very fact that they can make this for the Mature gamer audience is a Very good reason why contacting an Anime studio tream is the best (if not only) step. Sir Fritz (talk) 06:56, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
You have a good point about Cassandra and I suppose the same could be said for any of the Warden or Hawke's companions as well.
On anime: 1.) That's just assuming the Japanese are more capable. 2.) That's one the points. Japanese anime is different than western animation and DA is a western styled game. This is bound to cause problems due to cultural differences. 3.) Quantity? yes. Quality? highly debatable. and yes they make it for specific audiences but that doesn't seem to include most DA fans from what I have seen. 4.) Americans can be violent too. Have we not proved this yet with all the pointless wars we've started? We nuked Japan twice for some reason. Canadians are actually probably some of the nicest people I've ever met so it's kinda hard to imagine them being violent. Then again they nearly kill each other in hockey games. --Vampire Damian (talk) 08:06, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that Americans aren't violent, it's the production of something animated with soul involving violence that I can not picture.Sir Fritz (talk) 08:10, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Just for clarification: Teasers are supposed to let knowledge around about a specific product coming. Trailers, on the other hand, are supposed to lure people into buying the product and making hype for that product, they're not the same thing as teasers.
There is no reason why they couldn't have released an English trailer by now other than a lack of effort. For you people, the translation process may seem weird because you're all living in one of the countries where English is a main language and most movies don't need to be translated, but I live in Germany. I know how fast it can go with translations of big movies; trailers pretty much always are simultaneously released in all of the other languages as well as in English. A film opens without question at the same time as it opens in the original language's countries (except in a few rare cases), always translated (at least in Germany). I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be like that with this movie, too. Lemonaidz (talk) 09:11, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
Has anyone else ever noticed that Fenris bears an amazing resemblance to Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy?
Fenris: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fenris
Cloud: http://fighterpedia.net/gallery.php?level=fighter%7Cfaction&query=FF_cloud
--Vampire Damian (talk) 10:29, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah... Angry Joe nailed it in his review: "Essentially, a Final Fantasy character. In our Dragon Age." Lemonaidz (talk) 12:08, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but have you guys actually watched Western Animation? It would be perfect for Dragon Age. Theirs plenty of Western Animation with blood and violence that I'm sure that would stick to lore. Please watch and reference these Western animation titles: Batman: Year One (film), Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, Young Justice. But since they went with Anime i sincerely hoped they would go the style of Samurai Champloo( my favorite anime) but alas I'm dissapointed. Skyzod324 (talk) 19:04, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
@Lemonaidz I'm surprised. The only thing "Final Fantasy-like" about Fenris is his hair and even that is pushing it. He has a tragic history and that's about it. I'm pretty sure we would all be bitter had we lived his life. I've seen Angry Joe's work. I wasn't impressed. He adds nothing of note to the game. His reviews feel empty and shallow. It's like all he does is go to forums, pick out what people thought was a bad game, take a few hints from people who didn't like feature A or B and then post a video repeating said points. It's viewer bait, plain and simple.
Also @Skyzod324, naturally, some of us have watched western animation, as I am sure a large part of us are westerners. It's one thing to criticize it for being anime, but all you have done now is convince me that you are simply complaining for complaining's sake. You yourself admitted to being an anime watcher/fan. You're contradicting yourself. Jeezus! If you wanted it to be done in a western-styled animation, that's one thing, but to flat out say you are disappointed in something just because it didn't go the way you wanted it to is a bit dumb, considering the darn thing isn't even out yet!Gaiden96 (talk) 20:40, January 15, 2012 (UTC)