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I've noticed throughout the forums that people have been comparing this image to Leonardo Da Vinci's Last Supper painting. What if it's not just a comparison but actually an insight into how the characters will be with the Inquisitor. For instance Cassandra is positioned were John is in the painting, could this mean she might be the most loyal member of the group, always sticking with the Inquisitor no matter what? Could Solas, positioned where Judas is, at some point betray the Inquisitor (as others I have seen on the forums have guessed)? I may be reading to much into it but it could be an interesting possibility.

Would have uploaded last supper image as well but suspect it would get deleted. Xsari (talk) 1:00, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

I wonder what Varric not having any legs symbolizes... --Kelcat (talk) 00:02, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Was wondering when someone else would notice that. CLuhrsen (talk) 02:03, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
His legs are there. They're bent, but you can see the back of his legs slightly to his right.
It means Tom Hanks confirmed for DAI (talk) 03:23, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

in that circle you can see varric's legs he's leaning up against the table

i think that solves your problem WardenMaster (talk) 02:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, it probably was inspired by the Last Supper painting, but it may or may not have any symbolic meaning. If it does though, the most interesting thing about it is not that it implies any specific companion is an allegory for one of disciples, but that it implies the Inquisitor is Jesus. Does that men he/she will die to save Thedas? Does that mean he/she will come back from the dead? Does that mean his/her mom was a virgin and he/she is the son/daughter of the Maker? Probably (well, hopefully) not. The most I think it could mean is that the Inquisitor will establish a new organization (the Inquisition), and that organization will radically change Thedas, for good or ill. Which was kind of a given anyway. Silver Warden (talk) 00:27, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

As Warden mentioned, the Inquisitor could be symbolising Jesus Christ, who would eventually have the option of either condemning humanity (thedas) or saving it. Does that mean the Warden is Simon the Zealot on the far right? Who was known to travel and preach, so could the Warden have been recruiting at some point? The Scribe one would represent Thaddeus, or Jude (Not Judas). Sera takes the position of Matthew the apostle, so possible link with Taxes but I'm thinking with the scribe here, and that the scribe may represent Matthew the apostle. Lelianna would be Phillip but i think she's her own case with her andrastian complex :P. Dorian takes up James with Bull taking up Thomas. Cass with John and Solas with Judas, Cole or Varric seem to be in Peter's position, and think it could link with Varric and his storytelling. Unless Varric wants to go on to be the first pope.

I've looked into this too deep, lol, so don't mind me, and my theology XD. Lazare326.png 00:43, June 21, 2014(UTC)

You bring up something i have had a theory about for a while I just didn't know if it would fit or if it's just crazy but you related the inquisitor to Jesus who died and came back so what if during that explosion at the Temple of Sacred Ashes when the breach occurred the inquisitor actually did die and was given a second chance to save Thedas from not only the breach but also Thedas it's self, because around 40 or so years ago in the game the Chantry named the new age the age of the Dragon a time of violence and upheaval. So at this time there are at least two wars going on simultaneously the Orlesian Civil War and the Mage-Templar War. As for Solas being in the spot of Judas that begs me to bring up another thing about him his name "Solas" in Elvish means "Pride" so is there a connection there i don't know but it's worth mentioning. 01:18, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Pride with an elf, may mean that he has pride for elven culture? And maybe he wants to restore their greatness at a greater loss for non-elves? Or maybe the Inquisitor will end up being too much of an obstacle for him, to gain his goal? Or he could betray the Inquisitor to get what he truly wants. Hmm. And i've seen the link with the sacred ashes who = Andraste = Jesus/Mohammed and Joan of Arc, but predominantly Jesus, so could the area represent the resurrection? Where the Inquisitor is resurrected. And could we have an ending where we can save Thedas, and maybe this whole demonic thing is a punishment or like a rapture of the sorts, and this is "truly" the end. Lazare326.png 01:32, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought, unfortunately I don't know a thing about Jesus and his follower in the painting. would anyone be so kind to explain who is in whose position and what is his/her characteristic? :)--Iddawiki (talk) 03:51, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Allow me, Iddawiki, raised Catholic until I reached the age of reason. From the far left:

  • Bartholomew (Cullen): Patron of leather workers, namely tanners and book binders. Flayed alive, allegedly. Maybe Cullen refuses the advice of Roose Bolton?
  • James the Lesser (Vivienne): Preached, worked miracles, recruited Matthew into Jesus' following. Maybe Vivienne recruits Sera? Patron of apothecaries/druggists/healers.
  • Andrew (Varric): Preached in much of Eastern Europe, brother of Peter, crucified on an X-shaped cross (reminds me of Bianca's bowsprit).
  • Peter (Whoever that rogue is, nobody say Cole -_-): A.k.a. Simon Peter, the first Pope of Jesus' Church.
  • Judas (Solas): According to OP, it means Solas will betray the Inquisitor.
  • John w/Mary on his shoulder (Cassandra): Jesus' most loyal follower. Doesn't make sense since Cassandra points a sword at him and says "You are the only threat I see" or something like that, I don't remember the trailer. However, patron of love and loyalty, fits Cassandra's "romantic" nature.
Cassandra pointing her sword at the Inquisitor is when she first meets him/her, that would be early in the game. Xsari (talk) 23:50, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Jesus I. Christ of Ferelden, son of Andraste and the Maker above.
  • Thomas (Iron Bull): Also known as "Doubting Thomas," the one who refused to believe that Jesus had resurrected until he could feel the wounds where he was lanced. Implications for Iron Bull remain to be seen.
  • James the Greater (Dorian): Missioned in Spain, patron saint, a.k.a. the "Moor-slayer." Makes sense, considering the Qunari are the "militant Islamic Borg" and he's from Tevinter.
  • Philip (Leliana): Proselytized in Greece, Syria, and Phyrgia (Turkey). After Jesus' resurrection and the scattering of the apostles, Philip was the most solitary and reluctant to return to the others. Sort of fits Leliana in that she wanted a life away from the bardic arts but got drawn back in.
  • Matthew (Sera): Matthew was a tax collector before becoming a disciple, and then writer of the Gospel of Matthew.
  • Thaddeus (Is that the "scribe girl?"): A.k.a. Jude, the one who "kept Jesus' image close at heart."
  • Simon the Zealout (Blackwall): According to the Eastern Orthodox, Jesus attended his wedding and there turned water into wine. Witnessing this, Simon left his new wife, parents, and home and joined his following. Sounds very Grey Warden-y to me, double that with leaving the Wardens (his new "family") to join the Inquisition.

RShepard227 (talk) 05:59, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

thank you very much RShepard227 :)--Iddawiki (talk) 12:02, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
just a few notes, Mary is not depicted in the last supper, John just looks rather androgynous. Also the position of Judas could be up for debate. I mentioned this the first time we talked about this image when it was released, when trying to look up whos in the last supper, due to the fact that Peter is leaning in to speak with John, Judas will often be named in the position before Peter (even tho Peter is SITTING before Judas) In turn since Peter is said to guard the Pearly Gates, it makes sense Solas would be an expert on the fade. That places the nameless rogue in place for Judas, and Rogue ARE known for backstabbing. It could just be a joke of sorts, and not literally betraying the Inquisitor. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 20:39, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
You're very welcome Iddawiki, it was good to put that era of my education to practical use. @Ferris: Ah, you're right, I counted too many heads. Judas is leaning back like he's saying "say WHAAAT" so I agree that it may be reversible, if the correlations are based on where the heads are situated as opposed to the bodies. According to this site, which I used to map out where everyone is, that can be either John OR Mary, and then the other isn't depicted. Most believe it's John (doesn't make sense to NOT have him), but Mary can fit for Cassandra as well, if she were a failure in the eyes of her community (a prostitute vs. a trusted agent of the Divine who couldn't stop the world from falling apart) and joining the Inquisition is her atonement for her shortcomings. According to a certain fiction author, Mary Magdalene was Jesus' wife, which would make Cass the canon romance. But again, we're all looking into this too deep and bullshitting to kill time. Is it October 7th yet? :) RShepard227 (talk) 22:29, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Think some of us may be looking into it too deep. Some may actually represent that, but for all we know BioWare may have had only one or two in areas that represent that area.Lazare326.png 06:32, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

In that case, it would be the ones that slap us in the face (Peter and Judas), even the unfamiliar, and thus so obvious we all saw it coming thus ruining the surprise. A little on the nose to have the bald elven apostate betray everyone tbh. RShepard227 (talk) 06:49, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
If Solas is the betrayer, I see the Elven hate surging for some, as it did for some with Mages lel. Doubt that, but it's possible. But I don't expect Peter to slap us, and I expect our choices mounting up throughout the game, so anyone of them under circumstances could betray us. Makes sense if they do that, since they said they aren't going to agree on everything. Lazare326.png 12:26, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

@Lazare326.png No doubt you are right in that we are all most likely looking in to this too much. WardenMaster (talk) 18:44, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

With the Inquisitor's main goal being to seal the breach, if Solas were to betray the Inquisitor, him being the "expert on the Fade", I could see it happening that Solas actually desires, whatever his reasons, for what/whoever is causing the breach to succeed in tearing the veil completely open, leaving absolutely no barrier between the Fade and Thedas. Abélath (talk) 19:59, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the Inquisitor is Andraste reborn? The ashes kerplode and reform into a new person. Only works if the Inquisitor has total amnesia, though. Silver Warden (talk) 20:04, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds awesome and clichéd at the same time. But if the alleged Hero of Ferelden decided to help the scenery-chewing Kolgrim, that means the ashes are tainted. So it would either be like wetting the gunpowder, or it automatically makes the Inquisitor a Reaver. RShepard227 (talk) 22:29, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

well considering we have a prebuilt history and a last name and what not I'm not so sure about that one Silver...but maybe you're not far off because in the trailer Cassandra says "you stepped out of the fade" so i'm wondering if you're character was killed and given a second chance at life to save thedas. WardenMaster (talk) 20:25, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah forgot about the prebuilt history. Nevermind then. Silver Warden (talk) 20:36, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, it could be a giant reference to the last supper, thought out with immense precision and a great deal of time and effort. OR

It could be that nothing in the world makes seeing the back of a character look as interesting as seeing the front. Hence, it happens to look similar by coincidence, because I have a hard time believing everyone at the last supper sat at one side of the table. Seriously, the people on the ends are a good 30 feet from the map, in the game it's likely they'll be standing around the table (I think I saw it in a trailer as well) Friendlysociopath (talk) 21:43, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

the picture of the Last Supper is an artistic rendering, of the religious Last supper, an artistic rendition should not be taken at face value, especially if its a historical renditions. like most pictures of Last Supper, the artists adds an artistic or convenient touch. and I'm assuming that the inquisition Supper is just a picture(never going to happen in-game) to draw similarities to Leonardo Da Vinci's famous take on the Last Supper--Jcama (talk) 23:00, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to point out the fact that even though they aren't in the same positions Both Judas AND Varric are the only ones whose elbows are on the tables in their respective pictures as WardenMaster pointed out for Varric in the image way up above. That would make Varric more of the Judas despite the supreme Dwarf love but then as Varric was born on the surface he isn't even legally considered a Dwarf.