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I made this. Discuss.

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I love it! FlyingPigMonkey (talk) 02:36, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, when I first saw this I was like wtf? but then I read the title and went "YES!" Brilliant. Sevarian10 (talk) 03:27, April 26, 2011 (UTC)Sevarian10

This needs to be a shirt.--Cutebruiser (talk) 03:31, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I would totally buy it. FlyingPigMonkey (talk) 06:39, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. So Cool. Acher4 (talk) 08:19, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Poor Anders. Now Thedan hipsters are gonna wear his face because "Dude is, like, totally handsome" without ever bothering to learn what he did. B-( Dorquemada (talk) 09:00, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Why do you think I made this?--B. Dynamite Tabris (talk) 09:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Because you see Anders different then I, as an idealistic revolutionary fighting for a noble case, and not a deranged abomination, that like all abominations kills innocents and corupts these around it. Anders is not worthy of being called a he, he is an it, a demon that kills without reason.

He will not inspire anything but hatred towards mages, and will in turn inspire many mages to become chantry loyalist, considering their magic as a curse like Keili.

It is completely and utterly unrealistic that the event in Kirkwall would in any way affect the other circles in the way the game describes. If anything it would quell any revolutionary urge that would otherwise be there. -rphb- (talk) 09:17, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Keili, the poor, brainwashed idiot for whom all of my mage Wardens offered to go and get a lobotomy. Also, I disagree about the event - it's one of the few things in DA2 that somewhat makes sense and can be justified regardless of Hawke's allegiance. Pro-mage case would be "If they can win, so can we!", and pro-templar "Well, shit. Kirkwall's Circle got obliterated for something they didn't do. It means they can do whatever they please to us, we are nothing, and we can be next...and we think we've had enough. BURN!!!" Dorquemada (talk) 09:31, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Man, sarcasm does not translate well into text. I mostly agree with you about Anders. Che was a Communist murderer, Anders was too driven by his own hate and killed innocents. Yet there are still people who like both of them for idiotic reasons. I thought the humor of this thread was implied by me making the image in the first place.--B. Dynamite Tabris (talk) 09:23, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

That's AWESOME!! Ser Pouce-a-lot (talk) 15:52, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well this could be interpreted in multiple ways, depending on how you feel about Che and Anders. Regardless well done, rather funny observation. I actually like Anders, while knowing full well he's an extremist who hurts innocents to further his cause. He's a flawed character, and that's interesting, plus he does know what he's doing is wrong, and feels guilty about it in the end.

I saved that as soon as I saw it. Anders is definitely my favorite character in the series. I'm going to cry when I have to kill him while being a heel.

Okay objectivity speaking it is a nice artwork. As you properly know art is

1)An expression of beauty

2)That are Unique

Except for these two minimum conditions many would also add the third

3)and is provocative.

I do believe your drawing lives up to these demands. But what irritated if not offended me is that I admire Che while I really hate Anders for what he did, I haven't done a playthrough yet where I havn't disemboweled him. I also think that a lot of people like Che. I admit I am much more conservative then most of my comrades, I am a supporter of the monarchy and the unity of church and state, but I still think that certain individuals deserves respect.-rphb- (talk) 17:33, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

"I am a supporter of the monarchy and the unity of church and state" Wow, you're what I like to call totally fucking evil.

I know this is off-topic, but church and state should be separated. Otherwise, you get shit like Henry VII's Church of England. Actually, now that I think about it, does anyone know for a fact whether or not church(or chantry, in this case) and state are separate in Thedas? --CommanderCousland (talk) 17:48, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

It seems to me that the Chantry is technically separate from the state, but it is also seen that the Chantry holds political power in its own right. Best example is that of the mages, of course. It is Chantry, rather than state, law that requires mages to be rounded up by templars and taken to Circles, and the state recognizes and honors this law. For that matter, we see evidence in-game that Chantry authority supersedes that of the crown in certain respects, again referring to mages. It's been my own impression that the Chantry is all but entirely independent from the state. At least, I figure that there's a fine balance between state power and Chantry authority, such that anywhere that the balance may tip depends on whether a given throne has the military power to deal with an Exalted March. 69.146.172.126 (talk) 22:21, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I imagine it depends on the nation. partially in Ferelden, but the chantry has a place in the landsmeet. It was a mother, or maybe the grand claric that got on Loghain's ass for interfering with Templar duties. And when I asked Alistair about him freeing the mages, he said it only granted immunity to apostates, and that mages in the circle were still under chantry law, which he can't supersede, so who knows. If there's anywhere they're completely intertwined, it's probably Orlais.

From all the countries of Thedas the only possible candidate for that might be Orlais. Divine can't rely just on Templars when gathering armies for Exalted Marches, them numbers gotta be high. Although, I'm replaying Awakenings and that smug Templar lady who ambushed the party in Anders' personal quest bragged that her authority to kill apostates at whim still trumps both the Grey Wardens' draft and Queen's orders. Could be lying, what with being a power-tripping Templar though. Also, while the Chantry does exist in Tevinter, I doubt it can do whatever it pleases there. Dorquemada (talk) 18:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)\

The Chantry in Tevinter is a completely different animal from elsewhere in Thedas. For starters, mages in Tevinter aren't shackled to Circles and treated as walking time bombs. And given that Tevinter, while being technically an Andrastian nation, has a completely different view of Andraste's teachings, I daresay that the power structure between the ruling magisters and the so-called "Black Divine" are closely aligned. 69.146.172.126 (talk) 22:21, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

is quite a good one. King Cousland (talk) 18:08, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

@CommanderCousland

I know this is of topic, and you know that I like to speak off topic, but prey tell. Why do you consider it evil to be a supporter of God, King and the Fatherland. The church is part of the state, but its authority lies beneath the government, and it is allowed internal autonomy. Freckly the very notion of a private domination disgust me.

You shouldn't mix money with faith. I actually believe that this is one of the most important parts of the new testament. How Jesus was outraged when he saw merchants selling sheep and goats right in front of the temple. No it is better that bishops and priest are government officials with fixed salaries. They perform a service to the state like everyone else.

Besides freedom of religion doesn't mean equality of religion. It was intended so people could choose to worship God when they wanted, not to allow insane cults and subversive foreign religions to operate freely in our society.

I believe that everyone should be allowed to find God in their own way and in their own tempo, and someone just aren't religiously minded. That was the ideal of the enlightenment age. Religion means and should mean the church a plurality of religions believes was never the intent, and most never be allowed.

As I said. I believe in God, King and the Fatherland (the holy trinity as they say), and is that so bad?-rphb- (talk) 19:25, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, man.. I'm going to get the ban hammer. Must... resist.. real responses...

I believe God is a good thing to believe in. Even if he isn't real, the idea gives a lot of people hope. Just some people take it too far. I personally believe God is something that can't be summed up in a book, and we will only fully comprehend it when the time is right. Believing in God isn't evil. People that use Divinity as an excuse to justify horrorendeous acts is. Anchovy93 (talk) 21:05, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

While I do find this debate very interesting and have my own strong opinions on it, I feel that this wiki's forums aren't the place for disputes about religion and politics. King Cousland (talk) 21:10, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's funny how a satirical drawing of Anders led into a talk about God, Dragon Age sure does make you think sometimes. Anchovy93 (talk) 21:13, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that it is my fault because I often digress. But I also believes that it is your fault for responding to it when I do.

But that aside. I think that it is important to note that God is a highly philosophical concept. I think that the bible is a good thing for the masses as it draws nice metaphors for them to understand. It is good because most people are not capable of grasping God directly, so they need guidance. However for the truly intelligent God can be grasped as he is pure logic. -rphb- (talk) 21:28, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Agree there rphb. But still, not for the wiki, so we can keep this a secret to us, yes? :p Anchovy93 (talk) 21:32, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

So.... does god mind if I have a gay romance with Anders and help him blow up a church? Anyways, this a DA wiki, so we dont talk about off topic stuff please... Subject 14 (talk) 21:42, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, back on topic, I've scrolled past that Morrigan picture so many times, and just now realized how funny it is XD Anchovy93 (talk) 21:49, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay now that you ask (and remember what I said about you asking that). The question is:

1) Is it in correspondence to The Good to have a homophile relationship, and

2) is it in correspondence to The Good to destroy holy sites, killing the people inside in the process for the purpose of making a point.

One question is controversial, two is not. Without being controversial I would say that the answer to the later is "no". It is not in correspondence to The Good to murder innocents no matter the course.

I don't however think that it is a good idea to discuss the first question here. But you should pat yourself in the back here. It is vary rare to find anything that I am unwilling to discuss.-rphb- (talk) 21:56, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

By the Maker, Subject 14 was able to silence -rhpd-! I salute you, my good sir, I salute you (please don't start an argument -rhpd- I was just being a smart ass)! Yash7 (talk) 01:40, April 27, 2011 (UTC)