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I just noticed a HUGE gap of logic in this game... I mean... ANYONE can literally go around claiming to be a Gray Warden and get away with anything. Regardless of the bounty on any Gray Wardens in Origins... I mean... I'd figure theres a way to prove it somehow... But to most people there isn't. So right... claim you're a Gray Warden, get in anywhere. They should have come up with at least a symbol or a talisman or a mark or something lame to show you're a Gray Warden lol

216.164.118.15 (talk) 05:48, February 7, 2011 (UTC)DoriSai

That vial of darkspawn blood hanging from your neck would be a good indicator that you are a Grey Warden GreyWolf84 (talk) 06:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that in Ferelden warriors are identified by their shield or armour, I would also assume that anyone creating mischief "Playing" at being a Grey Warden would be held to Grey Warden justice because of the various treaties. Firetiger (talk) 06:46, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

While the griffon emblem might help in identifying grey wardens, your warden manages to run around all of ferelden claiming to be a grey warden (getting special treatment from all dwarves, elves etc) without any of such armour. And to face any 'justice' they have to be caught first; which might prove harder than you might think Mr Afk (talk) 08:18, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

That actually is a pretty good point. The only real way to test if they're a grey warden is to splash some taint on them e.g. get them to drink some darkspawn blood and watch to see if they die. Otherwise, it is impossible to prove as seen in the conversation with Carroll - Unless 'killing some darkspawn', or doing some 'grey wardening' counts Haha With the level of technology at the time it can be assumed that communications between countries would be quite slow. Thus a person claiming to be a grey warden from another country would be able to fool even other grey wardens. So it is somewhat weird how there aren't any con artists out there pretending to be grey wardens - e.g. their fellow thief gets caught, just walk in and 'conscript' them. But I guess most of the locations/things grey wardens use their status to get into involves a large amount of monster slaying, and I'm not too sure how such a thing would be advantageous/useful to exploit. And my guess is that to a normal person (who doesn't know the details of the joining), the grey wardens would seem almost mystical and seem to have some extra-quality that can't be mimic-ed. Mr Afk (talk) 08:15, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Grey Wardens reek of the taint, but this is only perceived subconsciously by all the races of Thedas, kind of like a pheromone, which makes the claim 'I am a Grey Warden' convincing enough, like a Jedi Mind Trick? Phylarion (talk) 08:32, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Consider the time during which Origins takes place. Most people are probably too scared to claim to be a warden, and a lot of people genuinely do believe that the wardens were the cause of the king's death, so there's a strike against them. Plus if someone rolls into town claiming to be a warden and darkspawn do show up, people are going to expect this person claiming to be a warden to step up and...do some of that righteous grey wardening. But, I do understand what you're getting at. There's no real way to prove you're a warden. I have a feeling that there's a bit of formality to the conscription process in some cases as well--the conscripting warden likely has to present something similar to the treaties to conscript someone formally (then again, now that I think about it I doubt the wardens rock around with a little pack full of parchments full of conscription notices, but who knows?)

@Phylarion. You bring up an interesting point. If you all recall, the Chasind in Lothering mysteriously feels the taint in you when you stroll up to see what's going on in front of the Chantry. Very peculiar... Warden-Commander Michael Cousland 08:43, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Simple answer: the treaties. Prismvg (talk) 10:16, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Papers can be forged, though, no? The details of the real wardens aren't exactly common knowledge. Even Carroll doesn't believe you if you flash the papers. Warden-Commander Michael Cousland 10:23, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well yeah, but in that case, there's really nothing you can have that will prove beyond a doubt that you're a Warden (except maybe... chop off the archdemon's head at the entrance eh? :P). So, keeping that in mind, no, I don't think there's a loop hole regarding this issue - the Warden actually does use something to identify himself/herself rather than simply claiming to be such. Prismvg (talk) 10:32, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thats like asking anyone to prove anything: If someone can do it, someone can fake it just as well. Being a merchant means you have goods and a variety of money on you to make change. Faking that isn't hard. Being a Noble means dress and act a certain way. Not hard to do that either. Being a priest... warrior... templar... grey warden... darkspawn... Neo Nsran (talk) 14:25, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

I am really hoping now for a mission in Dragon Ae 2 where Hawke has to pretend to be a darkspawn faking that would be ace. JJjoinut999 (talk) 16:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

If your lying for special treatment (not that you would considering the dangers etc.) then you can be thrown at some darkspawn to prove it, you have your darkspawn blood, a warden sheild and sword, and the treaties, who would fake that? I see the point but a few courtesies here and there don't out weight the fact that your being hunted by bounty hunters and god knows what else. And even if you were lying to Carrol at the tower what would you do while you was there? Have a cozy supper and a bed for the night with some demons? Desmond Cousland (talk) 17:04, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

"Desmond Cousland".....now I've seen everything...a.side from probably "Nukem Cousland"....hey can we change our usernames on this wiki?IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 17:18, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with those that stated these best arguments, imo:

1. The Treaties. Could they be forged? Sure. But they are recognized instantly as true by everyone you show them to. That leads me to believe there is some sort of special seal on them, combined with their age, it'd probably be difficult to forge.

2. The Wardens are not well loved during this time period. In addition to that, in Origins at least, they have bounties on their heads thanks to Loghain. So claiming to be one and then spending resources to forge papers proving you are one would be extremely silly and hazardous to your health.

3. I think it's likely that Wardens have an aura about them. I would hope it isn't a stench, but perhaps there is something just a bit odd about them that clues you into their profession. In that light, other Wardens probably can sense each other... just as they sense Darkspawn... but maybe to a lesser degree.

--Zambingo (talk) 19:07, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

They do have a seal - remember the scene at the entrance in Orzammar. Prismvg (talk) 19:10, February 7, 2011 (UTC)