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http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14137082/30#14590838

Twitter notes from Edmonton sound like a Mass Effect style origin, with a human race but multiple origins:

More info being posted on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Cameron__Lee

Palipride47 (talk) 20:29, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

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That's that, then...won't be buying DA3. No multi-races and a non-playable "origin" :( --98.209.60.142 (talk) 21:34, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Your loss, my gain. --188.67.64.116 (talk) 21:41, October 20, 2012 (UTC)Lord Rahl master of all

As a sign of Bioware's current direction, I think this may be all of our losses Lord Rahl... :(--98.209.60.142 (talk) 23:52, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I support it. The Dragon Age world is full of misconception about other races which cannot be considered unimportant as it was the case with the Wardens (who unlike the absolute majority were totally okay with every background or race -- even see maleficars) so making a good story for a protagonist who could also be an elf/dwarf/kossith would be very difficult, if not impossible. As DAO gave us a good glimpse about the DA world from a race perspective, DA3 could give us a good view of the world from different professions, backgrounds, origins that someone can have. In fact, I was planning to propose this to Bioware though that never happened. 22:01, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Disappointing, but better than nothing. ----Isolationistmagi 22:07, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

No no, you don't understand. DA3 will give us any combination of "human" "warrior" and "male", and to make combat quicker they eliminate companions and party banter, instead replacing it with a single "henchmen" a la Never Winter Night". One you can't control and only assists you indirectly.

Another important feature is to take us from third person view, to first person view. That's right, we will not be able to see our character, only his sword as he hacks away on countless faceless enemies.

Two other innovation to make combat more sleek include, mandatory auto-upgrade, like in Diablo III and upgradeable armour and sword (so we wont have to waste our time finding equipment and can use more time slaying enemies.

Finally all sidequest will be eliminated and the game will take a strictly linear approach, divided into "missions" accessible from a "main screen"-rphb- (talk) 22:15, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

You left out deathmatches and wave combat. Crimpycracker (talk) 22:51, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yes...Crimpycracker, I cringe too at the thought of deathmatches in DA MP :(--98.209.60.142 (talk) 23:55, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I am still in. playing a human doesn't really bother me... and I can't see why it bothers anyone. we wanted Origins back, and we got them. they won't be playable, but does that really matter? I assume the origin stories will be told in the 2D animation style that the opening of Origins, awakening, and all acts of DA2 were. I like that. I am sad that I won't get to be a dwarf... but I am not a racist, and as such, I do not fear playing a human. Lord Aeducan (talk) 00:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

they won't be playable, but does that really matter?

Dragon Age Origins wasn't a very innovative RPG. It really wasn't. It was very good, but everything it did had been done before to death. Except one thing: origin stories. That was the big selling point, to be able to build your character from the very beginning and experience different story and gameplay. It gave the game huge replay value and DEFINED the game. Players who had different origins had very different experiences of the game both tangibly and mentally, and this made the game worth talking about. How many discussion threads have you seen in which people debate which origin is better, more sensible, etc.? Compared to Origins, everyone in DA:II pretty much went through identical experiences.

A predefined character, and we don't even get to choose the race? Even plot-poor games like The Elder Scrolls don't shove you into a role as a human. It's incredibly obvious, from the predefined character to the dialogue wheel, that DA:II desperately wanted to be Mass Effect II. It failed, but looks like DA:III is going to try again. I'm not going to boycott a series I really enjoy, but count me among the disappointed. Whocares65 (talk) 01:01, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

But why do you need to play the Origin? you still get to choose your origin, it will still change your gaming experience, from your friends experiences. why is walking around Highever, or Orzammar so much better than reading about, and watching a cutscene explaining that you walked around Highever and Orzammar... also, I don't think having origins was the big selling point, I was always under the impression that it was player choice that affected the world that was the big selling point. I don't say this to argue, just to voice my belief on the subject. Lord Aeducan (talk) 01:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, watching a cutscene simply isn't the same experience as playing through the experience. That's how I feel, anyway. There are lots of things in a video game that can be conveyed through cutscenes, but player-directed interaction is what makes the game a GAME. Running through Castle Highever, fighting Howe's men, seeing your character's parents dying in the cellars--that's what makes the experience emotional. A cutscene simply doesn't cut it. Whocares65 (talk) 02:19, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I get that completely, the emotion would be lost, yes. But those events still can be felt throughout the game, like seeing your father again during The Gauntlet. If DA3:I is done well, then I think we the player will still understand the complex emotions of our PC, as well as an understanding of what drives him/her. But I do understand what you mean as far as what makes a game a game, and I would like to have a little player choice... but then again, I guess it is my choice to choose my origin to begin with. Lord Aeducan (talk) 02:34, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I had a feeling DA:III was going to include a human only option. The Inquisition would only make sense with a human or elf. I too wish I had the opportunity to play as an Elf, Dwarf, or Qunari. However, I will wait to see what Bioware does before I judge it. Yes, I'm disappointed but it could still turn out to be a good game. Here's hoping DLC or the next DA:IV will let us play as another race. As for the origins not being playable, I have to agree with Lord Aeducan. Not playing them does not bother me as long as they effect the story.--Gutbuster66 (talk) 01:32, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Add my name to the list of the disappointed. If they were gonna stick us with just one race, I'd rather be an elf. They already had one game where we were stuck with only human options and it didn't go that well. Even the optional backgrounds won't be gameplay, just cutscenes or codex entries. They better at least have an option for the character to not be a damned Andrastian. If we get stuck playing on the Inquisition's side, I'm out. Throw in the multiplayer along with likely spending a large portion of the game in Orlais and having Cullen as a companion and it's not looking good for this game at all so far.--Vampire Damian (talk) 03:52, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think it is funny you say that Vampire Damian, because I like the idea of it being largely in Orlais (if I can train myself to ignore the accents), if the Inqusition is about ending the war I like that too, I like multiplayer games (I know! shoot me!) and I love Cullen. but I can also see how all of those could be bad. I will just hope for the good. Lord Aeducan (talk) 05:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

If the Inquisition win the war, it was all a waste. I want the war to end too...with the destruction of the Chantry so Thedas can be free from their stranglehold. I'm ok with multiplayer games but EA and other publishers seem intent on wiping out single player games. How can you love that paranoid delusional creep (Cullen)? And what's to like about Orlais? From what I know about the place, it differs very little from the Tevinter Imperium. The Orlesians we've met have been obnoxious at best for the most part. Leliana, Marjorlaine, Duke Prosper, Arlessa Isolde, The Baroness of the Blackmarsh, Gascard DuPuis, the de Launcets, etc. plus it's the home of the Grand Cathedral and the Divine. Wait....you didn't drink the Chantry's kool-aid did you?--Vampire Damian (talk) 08:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Humans are better than rest of the races in DA. I like it and I am happy that Bioware knows that. Finally they are paying attention to my suggestions to make this series better.--87.93.34.225 (talk) 07:22, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Lord Rahl, master of all

By what logic? They destroyed Elvhenhan and are responsible for the Tevinter Imperium, the Blights, the Chantry and they make far more deals with demons than any other race. We are already biased enough by actually being human, by only being able to play as a human it just makes this bias even worse. --Vampire Damian (talk) 08:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I can see DA3 going the ME3 way. They'll probably include the possibility of playing as other races in the 'much anticipated' (pun intended) multiplayer. Mass effect, anyone ? Seriously Bioware, why all the hype some months ago about asking what gamers want to see in DA3, conducting polls and everything if ultimately you're gonna do whatever you want. Everything was such a farce. Never seen a more fake and arrogant enterprise. Was looking forward to DA3, until now. Now I think I'll just give up on Bioware. You're beyond hope. Nomad007 (talk)